Township voters behind Springboro school levy failures

Nov 6, 2010 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Dayton Daily News

Sylvia Kellner stands on the corner of Remick Blvd and State Route 741 in Springboro, holding a sign to encourage drivers to vote for the Springboro school levy on Nov 2. Staff photo by Ron Alvey History of Springboro levy vote counts since 2008 Patterns of school levy voting in Springboro precincts Updated 6:34 PM Saturday, November 6, 2010 ...

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KOHLS DOESNT RESPOND HERE

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Kelly Kohls is a cancer! WE ARE EDUCATING HER CHILDREN - SHE FILED BANKRUPTCY!!!! Kelly get responsible. Pay your bills!!!!!
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Kelly Kohls needs to go - she needs to step down.
IF she doesn't want tax monies to help 'her' kids then fine BUT remember that she represents ALL of the district NOT just 'her' kids.
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Kelly Kohls is faithfully representing the interests of those who elected her.

Until the district implements ALL of the 2009 State Auditor recommendation for trimming over $6M/year in unnecessary expenses, there should be no more attempts at levies (ref: http://www.daytondailynews.com/news/dayton-ne... ).

Think about it: As growth occurs, more property tax revenues are collected for the district. The argument that there are more families moving in so they need a higher property tax rate to cover the additional students seems flawed. The additional property taxes collected for new families should proportionally cover the local costs for growth. At least that is how it should work. The state supreme court has already told the State BOE that its funding formula is flawed and ordered it to fix it so that it is rational. But instead of suing the state to comply with the court order, and aggressively taking on the teacher's union, our local BOE thinks it ok to balance funding disparities on our backs...at least they seem to think that it should be easier to just expect us to pick up the difference when the state fails to increase its cost share based on student population.

We, the voters in Springboro, are still indignant that the previous board/superintendent conspired to extort support for prior levies by engineering cuts to those services that maximized the pain to parents in the community (viz., busing) instead of the more responsible approach of aggressively minimizing, as much as possible, the direct consequences to the taxpayers. This was done, I'm convinced, with Machiavellian maliciousness in order to minimize the pain to district employees and administrators, and to bend public will to their pleasure.

Fortunately, there are enough voters who have enough self-respect and love for their liberty that they saw these tactics for what they were. It cost me more than the levy would have to transport my kids each day for the last two years. But I gladly did it out of principle: elected officials and state employees must remember that they work for the taxpayers, not vice versa. I know lots of people who voted FOR the past 4 levy attempts because busing cancellation created logistics nightmares for them; but who were still seething at the obvious extortion attempt. That is why Kelly Kohl was elected.

Levy supporters and critical board members are totally missing the point when they blame Kelly Kohl for a spirit of divisiveness. That divisiveness was drawn by the district when it chose to use busing to blackmail the community into supporting higher and higher taxes to sustain a perceived entitlement by the district. Kelly Kohl was merely the community's response to BOE and District arrogance.

It wasn't Kelly who defeated the levy. She only has one vote. It was the people who elected Kelly who did.

Springboro BOE: Are you listening yet? How many time do you have to be told "NO" before you take the actions that the voters are directing?

IMPLEMENT THE STATE AUDITORS' RECOMMENDATIONS FULLY & IMMEDIATELY!! The solution to your budget challenges lies not in increasing our tax rates, but in increasing class sizes, cutting salaries and benefits, and, ideally, in radically reducing administrative costs by moving away from community districts to county-level districts like more efficient states have done. OH is in the top-10 list of states having the highest number of administrators per student. Unfortunately, it is the administration that apportions budget cuts, and protects itself in the process.
I hope they move FAR away

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KOHLS DOESNT RESPOND HERE wrote:
Kelly Kohls is a cancer! WE ARE EDUCATING HER CHILDREN - SHE FILED BANKRUPTCY!!!! Kelly get responsible. Pay your bills!!!!!
She's not paying the bills...
http://www.co.warren.oh.us/clerkofcourt/searc...
Lives in the CITY

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Genrty Ellis is a cancer! WE ARE EDUCATING HER CHILDREN - SHE FILED BANKRUPTCY!!!! Gentry get responsible. Pay your bills!!!!!

DID YOU RENIG ON YOYR STUDENT LOAN MISSY??????
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She was an appointed BANKRUPTER that thiks she was annointed!!!

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"Ellis said she is concerned how Kohls’ style is hampering the board and the district.

“I don’t see a vision from this board member’s governing style,” she said.“I see a reckless approach to decision making that fails to understand consequences or see the big picture.”

YOU DON"T SEE A VISION??? YOU DON"T SEE A BIG PICTURE GENTRY!!!! People are losing jobs and net worth. GET A JOB AND PAY YOUR BILLS!!
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Lives in the CITY wrote:
Genrty Ellis is a cancer! WE ARE EDUCATING HER CHILDREN - SHE FILED BANKRUPTCY!!!! Gentry get responsible. Pay your bills!!!!!
DID YOU RENIG ON YOYR STUDENT LOAN MISSY??????
One proposed 15 month game plan:

Job #1 is to immediately leverage off the BOE the next to useless, do-whatever-it-takes-for-our-k ids...even-2nd-mortgage-your-h ome Gentry Ellis & replace her with a person that uses common sense & factual information, not emotion, to make their decisions.

Job # 2 is to cut expenses. Its 4/5 majority consensus having supported the levy, the BOE has no choice now but to diliberate & enact many of Educate Springboro's proposed 12 steps, as well as any other ideas that may come from this area's very knowledgeable & talented citizens.

Job # 3 will be to place a somewhat smaller levy on the ballot if not next May, then next November. It should have very little trouble passing so long as very difficult Job #2 was conpleted correctly.

Job # 4 is to defeat Kruse in Jan 2012.
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I appreciate a DOE member that is willing to question decisions being made and look inward BEFORE looking outward. Backing Kelly is EASY. Did someone promise the treasurer a walk in the park? a blank check? a YES board? It's called debate and COMPROMISE folks, not "I get my way every time or throw a temper tantrum and quit or go to the Dayton Daily news and whine!!"
My God, is this what we're hearing: "She's not playing nice, I wanna go hommmmme!!!" What the H??
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swee pea wrote:
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One proposed 15 month game plan:
Job #1 is to immediately leverage off the BOE the next to useless, do-whatever-it-takes-for-our-k ids...even-2nd-mortgage-your-h ome Gentry Ellis & replace her with a person that uses common sense & factual information, not emotion, to make their decisions.
Job # 2 is to cut expenses. Its 4/5 majority consensus having supported the levy, the BOE has no choice now but to diliberate & enact many of Educate Springboro's proposed 12 steps, as well as any other ideas that may come from this area's very knowledgeable & talented citizens.
Job # 3 will be to place a somewhat smaller levy on the ballot if not next May, then next November. It should have very little trouble passing so long as very difficult Job #2 was conpleted correctly.
Job # 4 is to defeat Kruse in Jan 2012.
Kelly, you must be so bitter now that word is out about your 3 mortgages and a bankruptcy. I guess you just like tearing people down here on the internet, huh?
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that link isn't about a bankruptcy. That link says Kelly Kohls is in foreclosure. What a hypocrite that one is. She is going to kill this district.
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In 2008, we were told that an additional 4.11 mill/ 5 year levy would fix the district's budget.
We told the district to go back and cut expenses instead.

In 2009, we were told that an additional 5.99 mil levy for 5 years was needed to fix the district's budget. At the polls, we told them to go back AND TRIM THEIR EXPENSES instead.

Last week ,we were told that a 6.83 mil levy for 5-years was needed to fix the district's budget shortfall. Again, at the polls, we told them to GO BACK AND CUT DISTRICT EXPENSES instead.

The trend for an ever-increasing levy proposal tells me that the district is increasing vs. decreasing their expenses, and needs more and more, vs. less and less money to satiate their increasing appetite.

And with this latest, most expensive proposal, the district reneged on even restoring busing - meaning that the effective proposed levy growth was even higher than apparent on the surface.

Thank you Kelly Kohl for holding the district (and board) accountable for their financial malfeasance instead of the old tactic of callously using our children as bargaining chips to feed the pig.

Hopefully the Board and District leaders will get the message that we expect them to live within their budget, just like the rest of us.
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Shame on this so called "Christian Community"!!!!! There is so much personal nastiness! Anyone that doesn't support the majority, is singled out and basically stoned! The board seems to forget that their there to represent this community and based on last weeks election results, Kelly Kohls is doing just that!!!!! I'm happy that she is there and sorry it has come at such a personal cost to her.
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Regarding the story about township voters.... maybe the next time the school district wants to spend 10k + on a survey, they'll actually contact the communities that are dissatisfied with the status quo. Maybe one of the reasons the city people vote for the levy is because most of them fall within the limits for buses. If the levy fails and cuts have to go.... bye-bye buses???? At least temporarily. The last time that happened people complained (where did the majority of them live?) and the school district caved, again!!!!! Onetime money became available, just not enough for the high schoolers!
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No school district union in Ohio will tolerate a school board member that "thinks" and does their homework. No district administration will tolerate a school board member that asks questions regarding the finances. They also go on a rampage campaign to destroy that member in every way possible. You can check many districts in the area and find that the union picks the members and campaigns for them while smearing the opposition. It is not a new tactic and few independent members can stand up to the abuse for very long. They campaign to destroy that person, their family, their job and their spouse's employment. They go on a hate campaign.

That is the reason that Gentry Ellis' financial situation is off limits (she's on board with the union and is their choice) and Dr. Kohls is constantly berated for her every word and action. No mercy is shown toward her. They critique her appearance, her voice, her questions, her stance etc. etc. No one ever mentions the jet black coiff of Ms. Ellis. Or her appearance - or her stupid questions and smarmy look. How about her not paying her bills or college loans. Oh! It's A-ok if she's a union supporter.

There are plenty of people in financial trouble these days. We don't know why or how and we don't need to know. None of you researched Colston either. He didn't get out of Dodge for no reason. He left and that ended that situation. No investigation of him, Baker or Dettweiller. Should have been, but was not. Too bad for the taxpayers.
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sick in springboro wrote:
Regarding the story about township voters.... maybe the next time the school district wants to spend 10k + on a survey, they'll actually contact the communities that are dissatisfied with the status quo. Maybe one of the reasons the city people vote for the levy is because most of them fall within the limits for buses. If the levy fails and cuts have to go.... bye-bye buses???? At least temporarily. The last time that happened people complained (where did the majority of them live?) and the school district caved, again!!!!! Onetime money became available, just not enough for the high schoolers!
Anderson's comments regarding Clearcreek township residents & district services indicate a certain level of myopicy in his thinking.
Living in the townships has to do with a little more elbow room in the backyard, less noise, less congestion & more piece of mind.
I'll bet less than 10% of the people in the townships cared not one way or the other about city taxes when they initially chose their lot or home. They chose what they wanted, WHERE they wanted it, & that's what they've got.

I agree with Kelly Kohls 100% in her statement that parents in the townships are typically more likely than their city dwelling counterparts to consider themselves their childrens' primary educators.
That's the way it ought to be within every family.

Attention is being focused squarely onto lone wolf Kelly Kohls by the Neighbors for Sore Levy Losers because they're apprehensive of facing the REAL issues confronting this district. Launching missiles toward Kohls is SO much easier, and apparently the trendy thing to do by many around town.
Cowards launch ad hominem attacks. Heroes come up with the answers.

The BOE should serve the community & become A SET OF 5 heroes.
They need to begin working together to debate, deliberate & enact chunks pieces & parts of Educate Springboro's 12 points.

This town can't take any more division between neighbor & neighbor, and now... township & city! It's tearing us all apart, including our kids!
Let's get together & make needed cuts so that everyone can vote for a levy (almost) everyone can live with.
Cmon scents

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May Flower wrote:
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Anderson's comments regarding Clearcreek township residents & district services indicate a certain level of myopicy in his thinking.
Scott Anderson's not the smartest guy around, I'd say!

1st..........2 years ago, once Mr. Anderson gets elected on Kohls' coattails & becomes a BOE member, he quickly alienates quite a number of the citizens who voted for him because he morphs into a yellow-bellied coward who can't stand up against the same ol' status quo of BOE members, individually OR collectively, being dominated & overwhelmed by this district's administrative powers.

2nd-ly..........post Nov 2 levy loss, in the 11/7 DDN, Mr. Anderson stokes the fire even higher with his idiotic comments about township residents not having to pay city taxes but having access to schools & city services.
Hey, Scott! Ever leave town in your car & travel through the township? Bet ya you travel on township roads YOU never paid a penny for! While you're driving through the township(s), I'll bet you also happen past a lot of homes of p!$$&@-off residents who USED TO be some of your better bank clients!
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Maybe one of the reasons the city people vote for the levy is because most of them fall within the limits for buses. If the levy fails and cuts have to go.... bye-bye buses???? At least temporarily.
Maybe... district voters in general, regardless of where they reside, have become increasing weary of BEING USED AS MERE PAWNS by this district's administration?
Maybe,.. parents & taxpayers both in the city & townships alike have become fed up with the administration's post levy loss punishment tactics, the idiotic perennial games of 'Nut & Shell Bussing' & 'Oh Let's Try to Guess our Kids' Sports PtP Fees'!

sick in springboro, if you've based your past levy voting decisions largely upon having bussing or not, consider yourself successfully manipulated.
Budget cuts that have long needed to be implemented within this district need to begin happening inside our schools' doors & foundations, NOT outside.
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swee pea wrote:
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Maybe... district voters in general, regardless of where they reside, have become increasing weary of BEING USED AS MERE PAWNS by this district's administration?
Maybe,.. parents & taxpayers both in the city & townships alike have become fed up with the administration's post levy loss punishment tactics, the idiotic perennial games of 'Nut & Shell Bussing' & 'Oh Let's Try to Guess our Kids' Sports PtP Fees'!
sick in springboro, if you've based your past levy voting decisions largely upon having bussing or not, consider yourself successfully manipulated.
Budget cuts that have long needed to be implemented within this district need to begin happening inside our schools' doors & foundations, NOT outside.
I'm with you!!! My child hasn't gotten a bus in the last three yrs.... guess what... I'm a no voter. Although I think it is irresponsible of this STATE not to require busing for high schoolers and Springboro continues to bus families that are within 2 miles ( which is also not required by the state ) I"M STILL A NO VOTER!!!!!! Don't forget to address the parents that support the levy just so the pay-to-play fees can be reduced. It's supposed to be about our kids EDUCATION! Levies are always promoted.. it's for the kids.. but we all know it's for SPORTS, PENSIONS and SALARIES!!!!!! Our kids are truly on the end of list.( believe me, if the levy had passed, there still wouldn't be h.s. busing.)
This BOE needs to make this district accountable!!!!!!!
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Feste Ainoriba wrote:
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Think about it: As growth occurs, more property tax revenues are collected for the district. The argument that there are more families moving in so they need a higher property tax rate to cover the additional students seems flawed. The additional property taxes collected for new families should proportionally cover the local costs for growth. At least that is how it should work....
I agree with you that this is how it should work, however it is not the way it actually does work. When the district levies a tax, they are authorized to collect a certain dollar amount. Once that amount is collected, they have to come back for a new levy (a renewal). When more people move into the district, it actually splits the pie down so that each individual household is paying less. Many times it is hard to see the reduction because other things change in your individual tax bill. We've been in our house 7 years, and our yearly property taxes have gone down about $1000 in that time (some of that reduction is due to a reduction in our appraised value, but about 70% of it is due to levy failures combined with growth). So when the district has growth, it collects the same amount of money from the taxpayers, but has additional students to serve.
Combine that with the funding cuts that the State is coming out with every year, and it can create a need for additional levies.
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Worth repeating!
BoroMommy wrote:
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I agree with you that this is how it should work, however it is not the way it actually does work. When the district levies a tax, they are authorized to collect a certain dollar amount. Once that amount is collected, they have to come back for a new levy (a renewal). When more people move into the district, it actually splits the pie down so that each individual household is paying less. Many times it is hard to see the reduction because other things change in your individual tax bill. We've been in our house 7 years, and our yearly property taxes have gone down about $1000 in that time (some of that reduction is due to a reduction in our appraised value, but about 70% of it is due to levy failures combined with growth). So when the district has growth, it collects the same amount of money from the taxpayers, but has additional students to serve.
Combine that with the funding cuts that the State is coming out with every year, and it can create a need for additional levies.

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