Parents, ACLU oppose creationism curriculum in Ohio district

May 24, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: Ohio.com

SPRINGBORO, OHIO: Some parents and a civil rights group oppose policies to insert creationism and other religious issues into a western Ohio school district's classrooms.

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Strel

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Yes, let's make the kids stupid, on purpose.

Sheesh.
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Yes, let's make the kids stupid, on purpose.
Sheesh.
Do you know what really makes our kids stupid? Shoving a single theory down their collective throats, then selling it as a scientific law.

America's educators are attempting to program and conform the minds of each and every one of our youth so that as adults they will likely conform to a socialist agenda, such as that of (someone's) president, Barack Hussein Obama.
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Twp resident wrote:
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Do you know what really makes our kids stupid? Shoving a single theory down their collective throats, then selling it as a scientific law.
America's educators are attempting to program and conform the minds of each and every one of our youth so that as adults they will likely conform to a socialist agenda, such as that of (someone's) president, Barack Hussein Obama.
If you don't trust the teachers to teach the core subjects, why would you trust them to teach theology? And as a Christian, I do not view the story of creation as science.
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Twp resident wrote:
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Do you know what really makes our kids stupid? Shoving a single theory down their collective throats, then selling it as a scientific law.
America's educators are attempting to program and conform the minds of each and every one of our youth so that as adults they will likely conform to a socialist agenda, such as that of (someone's) president, Barack Hussein Obama.
And of course, some knucklehead pops into the thread and with the usual expression of cognitive dissonance somehow manages to link this to Obama.

Newsflash, this has nothing to do with Obama, at all.
This also has not a goddamn thing to do with socialism.

There is only one viable scientific "theory" (you do know what that means in science, right?) to explain the origin of the species and that is evolution through natural selection. There IS NO OTHER scientific theory to teach. ID is Creationism, and neither are science.

The real problem in our educational system is that too many local school boards have members like you. People with little to no understanding of science and with a silly ideological axe to grind.

So thanks for making our country dumber. You are doing an awesome job.
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If you don't trust the teachers to teach the core subjects, why would you trust them to teach theology? And as a Christian, I do not view the story of creation as science.
Phil, you religious bigot.

(You do know that no one is advocating the teaching creation as science, but as a controversial issue, which it appears to most certainly be. If a child brings up creationism in a classroom discussion, the the teacher is asked to present the opposing side of the argument as well.
Are you against the teachers presenting both sides of an argument? I think children should hear about the theory of evolution, they may not be getting that information at home. Are we to deny the children exposure to controversial subjects?)

You are aware of the fact that there are more than a single story on the creation of all that is seen and unseen. How about the way Hindu's view the creation? How about the Buddhist? Islam? Swahli? Sioux? Cheyenne? Mongolian? Aboriginal?

Having such a narrow focus upon issues does not allow you to see the world from another's point of view, an increasingly valuable skill in this day of multiculturalism.

Refusing to even consider someone else's culture leads me to believe you might be a candidate for diversity training.

Even Darwin understood that evolution did not explain everything.
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Phil, you religious bigot.
(You do know that no one is advocating the teaching creation as science, but as a controversial issue, which it appears to most certainly be. If a child brings up creationism in a classroom discussion, the the teacher is asked to present the opposing side of the argument as well.
Are you against the teachers presenting both sides of an argument? I think children should hear about the theory of evolution, they may not be getting that information at home. Are we to deny the children exposure to controversial subjects?)
You are aware of the fact that there are more than a single story on the creation of all that is seen and unseen. How about the way Hindu's view the creation? How about the Buddhist? Islam? Swahli? Sioux? Cheyenne? Mongolian? Aboriginal?
Having such a narrow focus upon issues does not allow you to see the world from another's point of view, an increasingly valuable skill in this day of multiculturalism.
Refusing to even consider someone else's culture leads me to believe you might be a candidate for diversity training.
Even Darwin understood that evolution did not explain everything.
How am I a bigot?(And here I thought only the Left resorted to name calling when they don't have a valid argument) Do you think the BOE wants teachers to teach the Islam's version of creation along with every other version? If so, do you really expect teachers to know the details of every religion/culture's version of how the world was formed? If so, wouldn't that further hurt the 80% of the kids you're so worried about because multiculturalism isn't on a standardized test?

And yes, I know there are different stories of creation around the world. But did you know there are different stories of creation in the Bible? How do you expect teachers to become experts on all sides of every issue that the BOE deems "controversial"?(ie: contradicts the "indoctrination" you perceive all teachers to partake in)
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Just Watching wrote:
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(You do know that no one is advocating the teaching creation as science, but as a controversial issue, which it appears to most certainly be. If a child brings up creationism in a classroom discussion, the the teacher is asked to present the opposing side of the argument as well.
Are you against the teachers presenting both sides of an argument? I think children should hear about the theory of evolution, they may not be getting that information at home. Are we to deny the children exposure to controversial subjects?)
You are aware of the fact that there are more than a single story on the creation of all that is seen and unseen. How about the way Hindu's view the creation? How about the Buddhist? Islam? Swahli? Sioux? Cheyenne? Mongolian? Aboriginal?
Having such a narrow focus upon issues does not allow you to see the world from another's point of view, an increasingly valuable skill in this day of multiculturalism.
Refusing to even consider someone else's culture leads me to believe you might be a candidate for diversity training.
Even Darwin understood that evolution did not explain everything.
The problem is, there really is not another side to the argument - not in a sense that is appropriate for science class.

In objective reality, there is no controversy. So why are we teaching that there is?

Only Creationists, whatever they may try to call themselves, believe (and that belief is not based on facts or evidence) that there is a controversy to begin with.

You have been misled.
Bible in the Boro

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there is evidence to support creation, a lot of it!

Check out some of it here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...... X1p4Kg1x_o
http://www.answersingenesis.org/

http://creation.com/

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http://www.str.org/ [/url]

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Freedom-From-A ...

https://www.facebook.com/pages/True-Dinos/112 ...

https://www.facebook.com/creationministries

Meyer, Stephen c. Signature in the cell DNA and the Evidence for intelligent Design

Behe, Michael J. Darwin's black box, what darwin didn't know

And a large chunk of other books,

There are legitimate obstacles to Darwinian macro evolution, silencing those objections isn't science!

creationism/intelligent design isn't teaching one religion either, a designer or designers could be the God of any of the major religions, an unknown one, or something else.

Don't get me wrong I'm confident I know who it is, but teaching creationism/ID is not the same as teaching theology.

I'll be teaching about the topic as it comes up here:

http://www.bibleintheboro.com/
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Bible in the Boro wrote:
there is evidence to support creation, a lot of it!
Check out some of it here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...
http://www.youtube.com/watch ...... X1p4Kg1x_o
http://www.answersingenesis.org/
http://creation.com/
[url]
http://www.str.org/ [/url]
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Freedom-From-A ...
https://www.facebook.com/pages/True-Dinos/112 ...
https://www.facebook.com/creationministries
Meyer, Stephen c. Signature in the cell DNA and the Evidence for intelligent Design
Behe, Michael J. Darwin's black box, what darwin didn't know
And a large chunk of other books,
There are legitimate obstacles to Darwinian macro evolution, silencing those objections isn't science!
creationism/intelligent design isn't teaching one religion either, a designer or designers could be the God of any of the major religions, an unknown one, or something else.
Don't get me wrong I'm confident I know who it is, but teaching creationism/ID is not the same as teaching theology.
I'll be teaching about the topic as it comes up here:
http://www.bibleintheboro.com/
So just how literal do you take the Bible? I went to your website and am surprised your wife is mentioned in a position of authority on the subject. According to Timothy 2:12 : I do not permit a woman to teach or to assume authority over a man;[a] she must be quiet.

In over 25 versions of the Bible the words are almost identical.
Agreed this is only meant to be taken when it comes to matters of religion so for that matter, according to the Bible, women have no right to speak of, or over man in teachings of religion.

Now that the sarcastic part is over I mean no disrespect to your wife or you. I believe women know much more than men (without them after all, where would we all be?) Just providing an example of how the Bible should never be taken verbatim.

This is one reason I've always taken the Bible as a book of lessons, stories being told and passed down through time. The words are not nearly as important as the lessons the convey.

I also wonderd if those who want to go back to the constitution the way it was written realize that women would no longer be allowed to vote (since our forefathers didn't include it in the document) or that slavery should be legal in this country.

Now, if you say that because times change and people learn that goes right to the argument that science has (more than once) proved religious popular belief wrong such as that the earth was flat and the Earth being the center of the solar system, etc.

As far as evidence to support creation, I also have great issue with that. If creation is proven then there is no longer faith. If there is no faith, it ceases to be religion and turns into science. Religions by definition rely on faith (as it should be).

Therefore when one puts science against religion, only religion has something to lose. Science will just claim the findings as another fact, religion would disappear in a puff of logic.

And if you want to start finding "evidence" on the internet I can find several references to scientology, white supremacists, etc....

As far as Meyer a simple look at his wikipedia page shows:

Fletcher explained "Natural selection is in fact a chemical process as well as a biological process, and it was operating for about half a billion years before the earliest cellular life forms appear in the fossil record."[36] In another publication, Fletcher wrote that "I am afraid that reality has overtaken Meyer’s book and its flawed reasoning" in pointing out scientific problems with Meyer's work by citing how RNA "survived and evolved into our own human protein-making factory, and continues to make our fingers and toes."[37]

I have a strong faith the we will never know, nor prove, nor show EVER prove God created evolution. Proving so would be the one thing that would destroy faith.

Really...
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I am a parent of students in Springboro schools. Our family subscribes to Darwin's evolution theory. However at the same time I fully support teaching Creationism in public schools. Both theories should be placed equally in the curriculum to spur debate in jr. high & high schoolers.
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I am a parent of students in Springboro schools. Our family subscribes to Darwin's evolution theory. However at the same time I fully support teaching Creationism in public schools. Both theories should be placed equally in the curriculum to spur debate in jr. high & high schoolers.
Separation of church and state is supreme in this land. Public school children should never be "taught" religion. Among other controversial issues, older students especially should be encouraged to constructively debate the controversy of evolutionism vs. creationism. We as a society must teach our children to grow into critical thinking adults. We as a society must help our children understand that today's overwhelmingly liberal public school curriculum must be taken with grains of salt.

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I am a parent of students in Springboro schools. Our family subscribes to Darwin's evolution theory. However at the same time I fully support teaching Creationism in public schools. Both theories should be placed equally in the curriculum to spur debate in jr. high & high schoolers.
I agree! In fact, we should teach ALL creation stories just to be sure! Forget evidence. If someone believes in it that should be good enough. Here's a list of them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_creation...

I also think we should expand the school year by 2000 days so all of the stories can be covered.
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I agree! In fact, we should teach ALL creation stories just to be sure! Forget evidence. If someone believes in it that should be good enough. Here's a list of them: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_creation...
I also think we should expand the school year by 2000 days so all of the stories can be covered.
There would be more than enough time in the school year for students to constructively debate controversial issues such as evolution / creationism (etc) if liberal educators hadn't overfilled the curriculum with loads of useless crap.
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There would be more than enough time in the school year for students to constructively debate controversial issues such as evolution / creationism (etc) if liberal educators hadn't overfilled the curriculum with loads of useless crap.
Yea! Darned math and science :)
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There would be more than enough time in the school year for students to constructively debate controversial issues such as evolution / creationism (etc) if liberal educators hadn't overfilled the curriculum with loads of useless crap.
It isn't a controversial topic to anyone that actually understand the science (not to mention the law in this area).

You obviously do not.

And "liberalism" hasn't got a damn thing to do with it.

Facts are facts, and creationism...doesn't have any facts.

People like you are the real danger to our school system, getting elected to school boards and proposing illegal and ridiculous policies like teaching children that creationism is equally valid with evolutionary theory when it absolutely, positively is NOT.

Don't believe me?

Show me ONE falsifiable hypothesis in Creationism. If you don't know what that is, you've got no business in this discussion.

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There would be more than enough time in the school year for students to constructively debate controversial issues such as evolution / creationism (etc) if liberal educators hadn't overfilled the curriculum with loads of useless crap.
So, students, who are still learning how to think critically, have the knowledge to actually debate the merits of evolution (which are many and take years to fully understand) vs creationism (which are none)? Please leave this country and go to the one above us in science. That should be enough of an ignorance swing to move us up a ranking.

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