Real Cabnet Maker

Pikeville, KY

#574 Jan 25, 2014
I'm A Real cabinetmaker And Furniture maker. I can tell from watching the tv show when they where showing Amish guy's building it. By the way they where working that it was not real. one guy was useing the woodplane wrong and going threw the motion's of being a cabinet maker. or Furniture maker. I have been doing it for over 30 yrs. now & I could tell it was a scam right off the bat. And would not be cost effective for the compony to build each & every one on a mass scale. Even my Teacher that taught me woodworking The Real (New Yankee) Norm Abram would tell you the same.
Real cabinetmake

Pikeville, KY

#575 Jan 25, 2014
I had to repost this first one got deleted
I'm A Real cabinetmaker And Furniture maker. I can tell from watching the tv show when they where showing Amish guy's building it. By the way they where working that it was not real. one guy was useing the woodplane wrong and going threw the motion's of being a cabinet maker. or Furniture maker. I have been doing it for over 30 years. now. And I could tell it was a scam right off the bat. And would not be cost effective for the compony to build each & every one on a mass scale. Even my Teacher that taught me woodworking The Real (New Yankee) Norm Aberam would tell you the same.
Real cabinetmaker

Pikeville, KY

#576 Jan 25, 2014
Real Cabnet Maker wrote:
I'm A Real cabinetmaker And Furniture maker. I can tell from watching the tv show when they where showing Amish guy's building it. By the way they where working that it was not real. one guy was useing the woodplane wrong and going threw the motion's of being a cabinet maker. or Furniture maker. I have been doing it for over 30 yrs. now & I could tell it was a scam right off the bat. And would not be cost effective for the compony to build each & every one on a mass scale. Even my Teacher that taught me woodworking The Real (New Yankee) Norm Abram would tell you the same.
Sorry for the repost did not see the first one i did
Not a fan

Lima, OH

#577 Jan 28, 2014
Thanks for your input. I don't trust or like Amish because of the way they abuse their horses. I would never knowingly purchase anything from them.
Merit4076

United States

#578 Feb 1, 2014
go buy a oil filled heater at lowes or walmart for around 35 to 40 dollars they last a long time and dont use much electiric and they do keep rooms warm i have one in my living room ,bedroom with door closed....and office and they keep the room around 54 to 62 when its -10 outside ....eden pure is just and space heater in a box....i will stick with the oil filled heaters they are way cheaper and dont break down.. 1 thing to know about them..DO NOT plug them into a 6 out let strip they will get the plug hot!
kathy

San Jose, CA

#579 Feb 7, 2014
Used it for a month and my page bill went up $150.00 in one month don't buy it
Chris

La Puente, CA

#580 Feb 8, 2014
Unfortunately the whole energy consumption thing is a bit of bull haha. I have three of these edenpure heaters that my dad unfortunately purchased a few years ago. I have used them, yes. They give out good heating sure, but when plugged into the back house and turned on it cuts the power to that area. In the front house, it does the same. It's good when it does work, but my little 20 dollar heater does the same job without cutting the power.

Since: Sep 13

Location hidden

#581 Feb 9, 2014
I have one of those heater sitting at home. Saved my my life when my main furnace stopped working at 2:00 in the morning during the winter storm, when we had negative temperatures.
Mary

Yorktown, VA

#582 Feb 9, 2014
I have both. I like the Amish heater but I would like to stick the Eden Pure up someone's butt. The thing only lasted one year. Then the co. sent two refurbished ones back to back that didn't work. They sent two element kits because the first one didn't fix the problem. When the second one came in I was so over it I through it up in the attic until today when someone needed a heater. Come to fine out it was the back circuit board that cost another fifty dollars. Don't buy this crappy heater please. It was suppose to last five years my paperwork said.
Net Nut

Lewisburg, OH

#583 Feb 9, 2014
This thread ought to be dead! Why don't people quit reposting this shit?
lighthouse

Dora, AL

#584 Feb 28, 2014
I purchased an EdenPure Gen4 three years ago. I used it in a RV for a year, loved it! I'm using it and a new Gen2 I purchased this year, and turned off the gas monster central heat. Say what you will, they work. Using two in ranch style house in 2013-2014. Saved a ton on gas and see no difference in electric bill since the gas freak uses electric to push the gas heat through the vents. I may even buy another. The power cords to these heaters never get warm much less get hot like the Walmart specials that burn out the wall plug. Mine two EdenPure heater have run hours and hours with NO PROBLEMS. So I'll laugh at you sketics all the way to the bank.
lighthouse

Dora, AL

#585 Feb 28, 2014
Pardon my typing mind, correction: "My two EdenPure Heaters....."
Gary

Schofield, WI

#586 Mar 3, 2014
I hope people realize.... 1 watt of electricity produces 3.4 BTU of heat using any kind of "space heater" . Regardless if it's, quartz, infared, etc. It's all a form of resistance heating.... No different from electric baseboard heating. The only electric heat source that can give you more BTU per watt is geothermal or air source heatpumps. Those can give you up to 12 BTU per watt of electricity. Geothermal and air source heatpumps move heat instead of creating it through thermodynamics.

Bottom line is eden pure or any other expensive electric heater is absolutely no different from a $19.95 space heater. Please don't waste your money. Zone heating works by saving money, but stick with a radiant heat from a baseboard or any other non-fan forced heater. Unless you have the funds for a heatpump.
belle

Coudersport, PA

#587 Apr 13, 2014
Yes, I own two of the EdenPure heaters and they are great! I heat my bedroom with one of them in really cold weather...below zero...and it keeps me comfortable all night with no worries. It's easy to maintain, and works well. Without it...I would be very cold, as we have limited heat and my room is at the cold end of our home. I give the EdinPure a big thumbs up. They are definitely worth the cost.
judy

Maynard, AR

#588 Oct 17, 2014
big hoss wrote:
The so-called "Amish" heater, or "Heat Surge" electric heater and the EdenPURE heater promoted by Paul Harvey, are over priced, overpromoted sucker bait items. You can either spend hundreds of dollars on these approximately 1500-watt (maximum setting) heaters or you can get a heater at Walmart, Tru-Value Hardware, Lowe's, or hundreds of other palces for MUCH LESS--as little as $25.00--that will put out the same amount of heat and heat the same amount of space. The ad for EdenPURE claims it will heat up to a 1000-square foot room. If you just fell off the turnip truck, you might believe that, but bear this in mind. A simple, ordinary, hand-held electrical hair dryer on the high setting will produce the same heat output, about 5000 BTUs as the EdenPURE or the "Amish" Heat Surge heaters. A sales representative for EdenPURE told me that their heat was a "different kind of heat," which is pure MALARKY. Heat is heat, and 5000 BTUs will NOT heat 1000 square feet of a typical dwelling under winter conditions; it simply will not produce that amount of heat. The advertisements for both these hokey heaters assume that you will turn down your thermostat for most of your house and move these units from room to room to stay warm and comfy. But you can do the same thing with a much cheaper heater! Forget about the Amish and forget about the EdenPURE. Tell Paul Harvey to stuff it! If you need an electric heater, spring for maybe $40 or $50 and buy a good little portable one from your local retail source. It will sure be easier to move from room to room that either of those overbuilt, cosmeticized contraptions that are being sold all over the place to gullible folks by sleazy marketing techniques like the ads with the chin-bearded patriarch lovingly polishing up the "solid wood mantel." (That wood is solid, but it is NOT oak or cherry as the ads would have you believe--it is poplar stained with oak or cherry stain). Forget about any confidence you might have placed in that octogenarian huckster, Paul Harvey, now that I have told you the "rest of the story." One more thing--it is highly probable that one or both of these scam outfits has people cruising forums like this one and posting big "personal endorsements." Do not be misled by such canned propaganda! It is purely defensive on their part--attempted defense of the indefensible! Shame on these pirates!!
I love my edenpure I have 2 of them best electric heater I ever bought
cohen

Oakland, CA

#589 Nov 1, 2014
So kind people what would you recommend for a small studio. This is confusing. I was not fooled my pureeden nor the amish scam, but was about to buy this or that and read the reviews and I just do not know what to get. Thanks
Gen4fan

Watertown, CT

#590 Nov 2, 2014
Wow- what a thread! Lol. Here's my 2 cents:

I bought a Gen 4 in mid-Nov. of 2010, nearly 4 years ago now. Have had no problems w/ it, knock on wood. I use it for its designed purpose- as a space heater. I've been completely satisfied. I bought it because it came w/ a 5-yr warranty, which, for me, justified its premium price.

I've owned at least a dozen space heaters over the years, including the oil-filled radiator type and ceramic forced-air type. The Gen 4 is the best of the bunch in my real-world experience.

Our town library has a device that computes the energy use of any appliance. Plug your appliance into it, and it into the wall socket, and it measures how much electricity the appliance uses. You can enter the cost of your electricity so that the device can calculate the cost of using said appliance per hour, day, month, year.

I connected the Gen 4 to it, and while I can't remember the exact number (it was 4 yrs. ago), I do remember that it was less than $5/day, running the Gen 4 at one level below maximum. Given the increase of the cost of electricity since then, the cost is probably more than $5/day. I think I'll get that device and measure it again.

As w/ any space heater, the idea is to lower the central heating thermostat in order to lower your overall heating bill. The space heater then picks up the slack by keeping you comfortable in the room you occupy most. Using any extra appliance will, obviously, increase your electric bill. The trick is to have the former outweigh the latter. It isn't rocket science.:)

Overall, I really have nothing bad to say about the Edenpure Gen 4. It does what I expected it to do. I am in no way associated w/ Edenpure. I'm just a satisfied customer in CT, trying to save heating costs in a very drafty, under-insulated 150-yr. old house.
Shazaam

Chesterland, OH

#592 Nov 10, 2014
Gen4fan wrote:
Wow- what a thread! Lol. Here's my 2 cents:
I bought a Gen 4 in mid-Nov. of 2010, nearly 4 years ago now. Have had no problems w/ it, knock on wood. I use it for its designed purpose- as a space heater. I've been completely satisfied. I bought it because it came w/ a 5-yr warranty, which, for me, justified its premium price.
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It would appear that you don't *really* use that Gen4 / US1000 heater.

Otherwise you would have encountered the real-life design flaw in those heaters. The advertised 20,000 hour bulb life of the Edenpure US-1000 or Gen4 heaters versus the real-life bulb life of 300-400 hours of run time.(20,000 hours would be 2 years, 3 months of *continuous* run-time)

Most owners of Suarez Corporation Industries "Edenpure" Gen4 or US1000 heaters find they must replace the heater bulbs every winter. That's a far cry from the advertized 20,000 hour bulb life claims (website, printed literature and printed on carton) for both their Edenpure US-1000 and Gen4 heaters.

Suarez Corporation Industries is advertising a 20,000 hour bulb life and a 10-15 year "service" life and those claims of a 20,000 bulb life in an Edenpure heater appear to be completely false and based upon false premises.

Someone should be going after SCI for false advertising at a minimum. Suarez Corporation Industries have absolutely NO component life test data to back-up their advertized component life claims.(I observed that "development" process)

It is likely that Sylvania gets the rated 20,000 hours of bulb life in their normal bulb testing fixtures / burn racks. And Sylvania's bulb life testing, like all other lamp manufacturers, is performed in still air with infrequent on/off cycles (once a day to once a week). The air movement inside an Edenpure heater is blowing the coldest air on the base of the bulbs and the bulbs cycle on and off frequently.

Suarez Manufacturing Industries (SCI) neglected their due diligence by performing no component life testing at all during the Edenpure US-1000 / Gen4 product development, yet SCI makes their advertised 20,000 bulb life claims based on a supplier's testing in a completely different scenario.(Still air, infrequent power cycling vs. forced air circulation and frequent on-off cycling of the bulbs in the heater)

And the glaring discrepancy between SCI's unsubstantiated bulb life claims and what consumers are reporting about the actual bulb life with the Edenpure products shows that SCI's claims have no basis in fact.

For reference, 1000 hours is about 42 days of continuous run time.
Gen4fan

Watertown, CT

#593 Nov 11, 2014
Shazaam wrote:
<quoted text>
It would appear that you don't *really* use that Gen4 / US1000 heater.
It's a shame you can't call me a liar to my face.
my 4 cents

Monroe, OH

#594 Nov 11, 2014
Gen4fan wrote:
Wow- what a thread! Lol. Here's my 2 cents:
I bought a Gen 4 in mid-Nov. of 2010, nearly 4 years ago now. Have had no problems w/ it, knock on wood. I use it for its designed purpose- as a space heater. I've been completely satisfied. I bought it because it came w/ a 5-yr warranty, which, for me, justified its premium price.
I've owned at least a dozen space heaters over the years, including the oil-filled radiator type and ceramic forced-air type. The Gen 4 is the best of the bunch in my real-world experience.
Our town library has a device that computes the energy use of any appliance. Plug your appliance into it, and it into the wall socket, and it measures how much electricity the appliance uses. You can enter the cost of your electricity so that the device can calculate the cost of using said appliance per hour, day, month, year.
I connected the Gen 4 to it, and while I can't remember the exact number (it was 4 yrs. ago), I do remember that it was less than $5/day, running the Gen 4 at one level below maximum. Given the increase of the cost of electricity since then, the cost is probably more than $5/day. I think I'll get that device and measure it again.
As w/ any space heater, the idea is to lower the central heating thermostat in order to lower your overall heating bill. The space heater then picks up the slack by keeping you comfortable in the room you occupy most. Using any extra appliance will, obviously, increase your electric bill. The trick is to have the former outweigh the latter. It isn't rocket science.:)
Overall, I really have nothing bad to say about the Edenpure Gen 4. It does what I expected it to do. I am in no way associated w/ Edenpure. I'm just a satisfied customer in CT, trying to save heating costs in a very drafty, under-insulated 150-yr. old house.
You live in a Civil War era, under-insulated home. Have you considered adding additional insulation to the walls and/or attic? I realize a lot of 19th century homes don't have flat attics. Still you might consider spending a few dollars on the advise of an energy consultant. These days, a lot is done with foam that's drilled in from the outside, and pumped into open voids, particularly in wall applications. If it's 150 years old, there's a strong chance that your home has asbestos serving as insulation above your ceilings. These days, at the very mention of the word "asbestos", a lot of contractors turn tail and run. Others contractors specialize in hazmat like asbostos. They are more expensive.

The one thing I can tell you for sure...
With the money you spent on over a dozen space heaters + the energy to run them, you certainly could've paid for the cost of asbestos removal / re-insulating your home, probably multiple times over. It helps to begin thinking of "heat" as improving your home's R value. Because heat rises, you should start from the top, then gradually work down the walls to the floor.

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