"Amish" heaters and EdenPURE heaters--Watch OUT!

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Ed Taylor

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Nov 14, 2013
 

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I found this interesting commentary on the web;

"Watch out for electric heater marketing hype!

While investigating the efficiency of portable electric heaters, Firelands’ Energy Advisors have seen ads for electric quartz heaters stating to use the same energy as a coffee maker, and expensive electric space heaters claiming to revolutionize the way you heat your home and family.

Some portable electric heater products advertise as much as 50 percent energy savings, but how energy efficient is it really? Beware of marketing claims of heater manufacturers who say they have a new “space age” heater that is more energy efficient or “new technology,” claiming you will see “huge savings month after month” on your energy bills.

“ALL electric heaters have the same 100 percent efficiency. Consumers need to remember that watts are watts, no matter how manufacturers market their products! A 1,500-watt ceramic heater uses the same amount of electricity to operate as a 1,500-watt quartz heater,” states Energy Advisor Lee Bohland.

No matter what the electric heater looks like, whatever its size or shape or color, whether it costs $25 or $350 — it is no more and no less efficient than any other electric heater. The ONLY difference between one electric heater and another is the electric capacity rating (watts) on the heater’s data plate. The BTUs of heat output are directly related to the number of watts of electricity going into the heater.

Many of these portable infrared, quartz, oil-filled and ceramic electric heaters can provide minor energy savings in certain situations — such as when you need to heat only one room, but not the entire house. These units are also ideal to heat rooms that are not connected to central heating systems, such as additions, garages, basements and workshops. Whether ceramic, quartz or oil-filled – the efficiency is basically the same as any standard plug-in electric space heater. Firelands does not recommend any of these products if your goal is significant energy savings.

Each kilowatt (1,000 watts) of electricity contains 3,413 BTUs worth of heat energy. All electric heaters convert electricity into heat with the same 100 percent efficiency – no heat is lost in the process and no heat is wasted.

Comparing two different heaters in a store, both 1,500 watts; one has a plastic case and costs $30 and the other has a beautiful wood case and costs $350. Remember, BOTH heaters will deliver EXACTLY the same amount of heat (5,120 BTUs per hour), and both heaters will cost exactly the same to run (about 10 cents per hour at Firelands’ current winter rates).

So if you want to buy a portable heater to help keep you comfortable this winter, you can buy one for less than $100 or you can buy one for as much as $500 to do the same heating job. One will look like a portable heater and the other will be a beautiful piece of furniture – but both will provide the same heating output and cost the same amount to run. The purchase decision is yours to make.

How do portable electric heaters compare to natural gas or propane heat? As a general rule, electric resistance heaters cost more to run than a natural gas furnace. They cost slightly more to operate than fuel oil and propane furnaces. For maximum energy efficiency, you should investigate geothermal or air-source heat pump units that can heat (and cool) the whole house very inexpensively.

Many homeowners endure rising fuel costs year after year with gas, oil and propane and continue to look for ways to reduce their energy bills. If homeowners would add an electric air-source heat pump to their existing natural gas, oil or propane furnace they could reduce their energy costs by up to 30 to 40 percent. A heat pump or geothermal system will provide your family with significant savings and more comfort."

For the full article see; http://www.firelandsec.com/content/portable-e...
Backwoods

Lowell, AR

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#552
Nov 15, 2013
 
Eden Pure heaters do heat up too 1000 sq ft. I'm 4 years late seeing this blag, and you wrong "big hoss"

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Traverse City

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#553
Nov 15, 2013
 
Backwoods wrote:
Eden Pure heaters do heat up too 1000 sq ft. I'm 4 years late seeing this blag, and you wrong "big hoss"
Yea, maybe if you've got a woodstove burning in the room too...
Amy

United States

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#555
Nov 19, 2013
 
Cam it be used with a generator, in a power outage safely?
eden pure gen 4

Whitney Point, NY

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#557
Nov 22, 2013
 
third winter in a row with dead bulbs! these bulbs are so cheaply made and say made in mexico wtf! the caps on them are falling off and they have only been in use a year none of them light up or heat up and you can no longer see the coild because of the dust inside them from them frying themselves. stay far far away from edenpure
ProAmish

Philadelphia, PA

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#558
Nov 28, 2013
 
off the trail wrote:
Replace the word "Amish" with "Ronco" and,... you get the picture. Remember, Ronco didn't have local shops either, the reason, most of their products were gimmicks.
Shame on the Amish for trading their good name as wood craftmen to this unproven technology.
The Amish people don't own the name Amish. They don't watch TV and don't have anything to do with the heater, idiot.
barbie

Plattsburgh, NY

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#559
Dec 5, 2013
 
I purchased a Amish heater and I love it. saves me alot on fuel and it has no problem heating the area I need heated and my elec bilL only goes up about 8.00 per month I hardly ever use the high setting. I love it, it works and i want another. for the familyroom down stairs
AL Metcalf

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Everybody that gets one knows they work. Everybody else claims to be an engineer or something else and they don't have a clue. I'm sick of idiots posting that 1500 watts is 1500 watts and that all electric heat is the same. Nothing could be further from the truth and I could prove it in 3 seconds. My wife's hairdryer is 1800 watts, it is electric heat.(Let's bet which one would heat up the room fastest!) I have a 1400 watt heat gun. According to these clueless engineer wannabes my wife's hairdryer should put out more heat. But I can tell you that my heat gun will burn your hand in 3 seconds from a distance that most people use a hairdryer to dry their hair. So not all 1500 watts are the same. Also, a toaster is typically 1500 watts. Why don't you stick one in a room, put a fan behind it and let me know how it works out heating your room. Look, I have tried every heater made in a downstairs room that is 24 X 15 and they ran all the time and never really helped much unless they were right by me. With the exception of the oil heaters I tried they didn't even heat the room up. I bought a Dr. Heater, put it at the other end of the room and within a 1/2 hour I notice a difference. These work, they are more efficient, and they are quieter than any of the cheap fan heaters you can buy.
Eddie

Brevard, NC

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Dec 6, 2013
 
AL Metcalf wrote:
Everybody that gets one knows they work. Everybody else claims to be an engineer or something else and they don't have a clue. I'm sick of idiots posting that 1500 watts is 1500 watts and that all electric heat is the same. Nothing could be further from the truth and I could prove it in 3 seconds. My wife's hairdryer is 1800 watts, it is electric heat.(Let's bet which one would heat up the room fastest!) I have a 1400 watt heat gun. According to these clueless engineer wannabes my wife's hairdryer should put out more heat. But I can tell you that my heat gun will burn your hand in 3 seconds from a distance that most people use a hairdryer to dry their hair. So not all 1500 watts are the same. Also, a toaster is typically 1500 watts. Why don't you stick one in a room, put a fan behind it and let me know how it works out heating your room. Look, I have tried every heater made in a downstairs room that is 24 X 15 and they ran all the time and never really helped much unless they were right by me. With the exception of the oil heaters I tried they didn't even heat the room up. I bought a Dr. Heater, put it at the other end of the room and within a 1/2 hour I notice a difference. These work, they are more efficient, and they are quieter than any of the cheap fan heaters you can buy.
Even Obama's EPA doesn't push these heaters, but the gullible rant on.
Ed Taylor

Brevard, NC

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#562
Dec 6, 2013
 
I found this on line from CU:

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Consumer Reports, February 10, 2010:

Heating Claims Don't Add Up
Manufacturers of electric space heaters want you to believe that using one of their devices will lower your heating bill. Lowering your home's thermostat(s) and using your main heating system less in tandem with a space heater--called zone heating--will cut your utility bill.(Every degree you lower the thermostat(s) can save you about 2 percent on your heating bill.) But keep in mind that based on current national average prices and adjusting for the energy losses due to burning a fuel, heating with electricity is about two and a half times more expensive than heating with gas, the most common heating fuel in this country.

EdenPure suggests that "you can turn the heat down in your house as low as 50°F, yet the room you are in will be warm and comfortable. When you move to another room, the EdenPure goes with you. Its wheels make relocation a snap." That scenario assumes that you have to heat only a single room to heat at a time or that you own multiple EdenPure space heaters; that once you're in a room you stay put and don't move around the house; and that you're willing to keep the rest of your home at a chilly 50°F. Lowering the thermostat(s) by 3°F would likely result in minimal discomfort for you and your family, but are you willing to keep your home at 50°F?

The 1,483-watt EdenPure Gen 3 Model 1000 uses quartz infrared elements as the heat source. Its design essentially negates the radiant-heating effect, so it operates more like a typical fan-forced convection heater. While a fan can help mix the room air, there is typically some temperature variation, with cooler air near the floor and warmer air near the ceiling.

Humidity Information Seems All Wet
EdenPure says its heaters "protects the humidity level and air quality important to breathing comfort and personal health," and also notes that "Heat from the copper tubing rides the humidity in the room and provides moist, soft heat--ceiling-to-floor, wall-to-wall--without reducing oxygen or humidity."

Simply put, when you heat a room with any space heater and don't also have an additional source of humidity, say a humidifier, the total moisture in the air in that space will stays the same but the relative humidity will go down, not up. That's true for every space heater we've tested, including the EdenPure Gen 3 Model 1000.

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In the end, remember that electric space heaters in and of themselves can't save you energy and lower your utility bills over the winter. To do that, you need to weatherize your home and lower your thermostat(s) so your heating system has to work less. But if you're going to buy a space heater, you don't have to shell out $400 or more for the EdenPure Gen 3 Model 1000.

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lindoxie

Queensbury, NY

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#563
Dec 29, 2013
 
I have been using an Amish heater for about 7 years... I'm on my second one... I sent the 1st one back and they replaced it with a new one.
It gives off enough heat to warm my rather large living room where I sit in the winter.I love the looks of it. I am not looking to heat the whole house.
It looks like a piece of furniture and rolls nicely if I want to move it closer or farther away. I have real fireplace w/ wood ready to be lit right behind this little heater. I choose to use this instead.
I thoroughly enjoyed reading all the other comments from some passionate people.
Thanks for reading this.
Jay

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#564
Dec 29, 2013
 
heater wrote:
Would this heater keep my go-go girls warm this winter?
Send them my way, I'll keep them warm.
Todd

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#565
Jan 5, 2014
 
For the idiot who is bad mouthing eden pure heaters,
You dont know what the hell you are talking about !
I have one eden pure that DOES a 1000sq ft area.

Winter like conditions? yeah, does - 5 at night qualify ?
Not only does it work, I NEVER have it on at full max, not even half
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Ed Taylor

Brevard, NC

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#566
Jan 6, 2014
 
Keep up the praise, it's the only hope to impress a gullible public.

Just combine one EdenPure heater and one Hendershot perpetual motion power generator and heat the whole block for a winter block party.
Jonan

Johnson City, TN

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#567
Jan 7, 2014
 
We have two Lilly 1800's. There nice and they well...heat as a 1500W heater should but this is the bottom line for me and I hope it helps everyone decide for themselves. It's is just another 1500W heater and you don't get something for nothing. So the way I see it is, that if you don't get a lot of years of usage out of it you've wasted your money. If you pay $200 for a 1500W heater when you could have bought one for $60 at Lowe's then all you can do is hope that it will out last the $60 unit. These heaters were given to us as a Xmas present, so we are like huumm.. lets see if they are really that much better. Well we have concluded that the answer is NO. They don't put out any more heat..1500W is 1500W although they do have better airflow which might make them a little more efficient. They also seem to monitor the temp a little closer than the cheap ones. If these break we have to wait on repairs/parts. If the cheap one breaks we just go get another one. Thats our experience. Hope it helps.
Whole Hog

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#568
Jan 8, 2014
 
They work best when rubbed together and a little gasoline is used.

Once you get them burning they will burn for a little while and produce a fair amount of heat.

Hey, it's your house.

We use propane.

Electric is expensive.
RED WALKER

Dayton, OH

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Jan 8, 2014
 
Whole Hog wrote:
They work best when rubbed together and a little gasoline is used.
Once you get them burning they will burn for a little while and produce a fair amount of heat.
Hey, it's your house.
We use propane.
Electric is expensive.
Heheheh, try that, and we'll be rid of the Topix troll!

BOOM! lol
mickeymouse builder

Littleton, CO

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#570
Jan 14, 2014
 
I have been thoroughly entertained and at times educated by this discussion on heaters. I own two Edenpure heaters, among others, and have had an interesting history with them. That said, does anyone even care anymore? This thread has gone well over 2 years and it appears that many of you have already made up your mind no matter what the post has to add.
David Takhavorian

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#571
Jan 16, 2014
 
I am shopping for a space heater. Would someone tell me whether "Quartz" and "infra-red" used for these heaters is false advertising or not?
Barbara

Crestwood, KY

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#572
Jan 16, 2014
 
We had an Eden Pure Signature series ($359.00) for three years. After two years the a heating element went out. We had to send it back and they fixed it for free. One year later (5 days out of warranty) the element went out again. So it is worthless. We run ours only while we are up and at home. We like the heat in our living room so I went out and bought a knock off (Sunheat) and it is working like a champ so far. It also has a 3 year warranty so we will see how long it lasts. I could not see spending so much on an Eden Pure if it was only going to last until the warranty ran out.

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