transgender teen faces challenge

transgender teen faces challenge

There are 117 comments on the www.lohud.com story from Aug 10, 2008, titled transgender teen faces challenge. In it, www.lohud.com reports that:

Michael Arone has been called every pejorative someone could direct at a transgender teen.

Arone, a North Rockland school district 10th-grader, is a male transgender teen who publicly goes by Melissa Andrews and prefers to be referred to as a female.

Arone said classmates have routinely called her "faggot," "she-male," "it" and "queer" in response to her wearing eye shadow and lipstick, straightening her shoulder-length brown hair and carrying a purse to school.

"She's dealing with a hate crime," said her mother, Patricia Arone, 37. "That's the only way to say it, it's hate."

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Someone You Know

Bronx, NY

#63 Aug 12, 2008
Frank N Berry wrote:
I actually have gone to school with this person. Not that i actually know this person from a relationship or friendship, mearly from seeing "her" in the hallways / outside shcool. Not that i have anything actually mean to say about this person, I guess i really just have to vouche for other students: If you honestly, see a man,(or at least assumed one) and wearing fashion of women in a public school with a large attendance of students. You cant expect someone NOT to say anything. Maybe not picking on this individual is the most radical thing to do, but you cant really expect other individuals to accept someone of this nature right away. Hey, do what you want. Its not my life. Just please dont make a big deal over something that doesnt need to be a giant phenomenon. Hate is all around us. Hate and racism have exsisted since almost the beggining of time. Sure, we all want it to go away, but dont make everyone feel sorry for you because you are "treated unfairly". Its not the school boards fault either. Obviously they havent dealt with this kind of situation before and are dealing with it the best way they can. Like i said before, i have nothing against this person. I just dont see how it is such a big deal, when there are millions of "hate crimes" occuring each day.
You raise a couple of good points, actually along with some not-so-good ones.

On the one hand, expecting kids not to bully those who are different is not by any means asking too much of them. Some people are different, and the sooner kids learn to deal with that, the better equipped they will be to deal with the world.

On the other hand, yes, this is an issue that school boards, faculty, and student bodies have little experience with and have to figure out.

But then, that's why articles like this are important. That's why it's important for us to discuss these issues in public forums. As a society, we DON'T know how to deal with transgender individuals, and we need to figure it out, with as little injustice done to all concerned as possible.
Sean Hannity

Berlin, CT

#64 Aug 12, 2008
Whatever we may think of it ourselves, we all have the right to make our own choices in life"

True.

"and everyone deserves to have those rights of personal choice respected and not be victimised."

But, no one automatically deserves to have their decisions taken seriously. Basic human rights are one thing. Immoral choices are another.

"It takes a lot of courage to maintain a minority image, far more than is present in those that attack them."

True.

But, while there will always be some who attack the person, there will be many more who will critique the decision to go public. When you take your choices into the public arena, you must allow for others to publicly respond.

There is a difference between tolerance and acceptance. Many homosexual and transgendered groups demand tolerance. OK, no problem. BUT, then they demand acceptance. No way!!!

If you demand that I accept everything that you do, not just tolerate it, then you are intruding on MY FREEDOM to think as I like. You are pushing YOUR beliefs on me.

I don't demand that you accept my beliefs, but you should tolerate them. Stop demanding that I not only tolerate but ACCEPT your atheistic, agnostic, non-Christian, or secular-based ideas and choices.

So So much for a FREE Society here.

“Bullish on Equal Rights”

Since: Dec 06

Rocky Mountains

#65 Aug 12, 2008
Sean king wrote:
<quoted text>
I agree with you on that one. The way the transgender are going about this is that they want and demand people to be tolerant of them, but to accept them is asking way to much and that's why some people don't want to deal with them.
I do wish that you would make up your mind as to what screen name you want to use. In the past two weeks alone, I have counted over 2 dozen different names and not one of them have posted an educated debate. Your best answer is about 7th grade level at best. When is your mommy going to take your computer priviledges away?

“Just call me Das. ”

Since: Jul 07

United States

#66 Aug 12, 2008
Sean Hannity wrote:
...
If you demand that I accept everything that you do, not just tolerate it, then you are intruding on MY FREEDOM to think as I like. You are pushing YOUR beliefs on me.....
Just how does the demand for equal and just treatment infringe upon your freedom?

If you are simply claiming the right to not like transgender people, well and good. You have that right, and your acceptance is neither required nor particularly sought, and you should stop crying like a spoiled brat when someone exercises their own freedom to disagree with you.

If you are claiming the right to bully, belittle, or otherwise harm transgender people, you are claiming a right you don't have.
Sean Hannity

Berlin, CT

#67 Aug 12, 2008
When you demand that we as a society be tolerant of you freaks, that's all fine. Though when you want us to accept you, accept your lifestyle, fetish, beliefs, and demand total ACCEPTANCE that's when me and society say NO WAY and consider that an infringement on my personal FREEDOMS.

Since the transgender community is demanding so much such as demanding and forcing tolerance and acceptance, that to me means that you are infringing on my personal Rights and personal FREEDOMS to think, act and believe what ever I want. That to me means that your pushing your lifestyle and infringing on my personal FREEDOMS.

The problem with the Transgender community is that they demand so much such as they Demand tolerance and Acceptance to the point that they are infringing other people's rights and FREEDOMS to think. They seem to want to trample other peoples rights to demand theirs while at the same time disregarding others rights and Freedoms.

So much for a so called free society when you have people demanding so much while trampling on others at the same time.
Sean king

Berlin, CT

#68 Aug 12, 2008
Rikki S wrote:
<quoted text>
I do wish that you would make up your mind as to what screen name you want to use. In the past two weeks alone, I have counted over 2 dozen different names and not one of them have posted an educated debate. Your best answer is about 7th grade level at best. When is your mommy going to take your computer priviledges away?
That's because I don't want to be a victim of cyber bullying I consider syber bullies the lowest form of life.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#69 Aug 12, 2008
Sean Hannity wrote:
But, no one automatically deserves to have their decisions taken seriously. Basic human rights are one thing. Immoral choices are another.
And, who are you to decide what's moral and immoral? Who gets to decide that? And don't say "God", because there are many religions out there, some of which are perfectly accepting of GLBT people.
Is it so hard to ask for equal rights? They are not asking you to like them, just to afford them the same things that other Americans expect everyday. There is a difference between not agreeing with someone's lifestyle, and verbal abuse. If you don't like someone, stay away from them. If you don't like transgendered people, don't become one. What exactly are they forcing on anyone? All they want is to be left alone, to be able to live a life without ridicule and scorn, simply for being themselves. They shouldn't have to hide in thier homes, out of sight, out of mind, just because some peopel don't agree with thier lifestyle. I don't like the image of the crucifix, but do I go around bitching at every Christian I see wearing one? No. Because they have the right to express themselves and who they are, just like transgendered people.

See, the key word there is "PEOPLE". The transgendered are still people, still human beings, no matter what certain people may believe. They deserve civil treatment.

“ reality, what a concept”

Since: Nov 07

this one

#70 Aug 12, 2008
"Sean Hannity", what you don't seem to get is that the transgendered can have equal protection under the law and your right to be an intolerant bigot is not impinged. You will remain free to think and say what ever hurtful and hateful things that come from the darkest depths of what you try to pass off as your humanity and they will be free to live out their lives unecumbered by your selfish and self-righteous attitudes. I don't know why you're so freaked out to the point of complete and utter irrationality about people who have been born differently from yourself, but even if the laws and rules of society are changed to accomodate those who wish to transition from their physical sex to their actual one, you will still have the right to be freaked out to the point of irrationality. As for the issue of acceptance, your's and those who of your ilk is neither required nor necessarily desired for the changes that need to take place to take place.

Since: Feb 07

Asheville

#71 Aug 12, 2008
Sean hannity Show wrote:
It's nice to see the delusional keep on getting more confused and delusional. Maybe it's time they lock you people up or the very least put you in your place.
As for dyssonance, keep acting like that and people will soon know who you really are, a confused and delusional man. Just for kicks, here are the links to the confused and delusional man's sites.
His Blog
http://www.dyssonance.com/
His picture, which every biological woman now knows is a man and will never ever be allowed in a woman's bathroom or locker room.
http://www.dyssonance.com/...
His other blogs
http://dyssonance.wordpress.com/
http://www.vyxyn.blogspot.com/
and His myspace page
http://www.myspace.com/aedorsay
Just so everyone knows no biological woman born woman would ever want to be near this freak or any one of them.
Delusional? You should talk, Nick.

“Bullish on Equal Rights”

Since: Dec 06

Rocky Mountains

#72 Aug 12, 2008
Sean Hannity wrote:
When you demand that we as a society be tolerant of you freaks, that's all fine. Though when you want us to accept you, accept your lifestyle, fetish, beliefs, and demand total ACCEPTANCE that's when me and society say NO WAY and consider that an infringement on my personal FREEDOMS.
Since the transgender community is demanding so much such as demanding and forcing tolerance and acceptance, that to me means that you are infringing on my personal Rights and personal FREEDOMS to think, act and believe what ever I want. That to me means that your pushing your lifestyle and infringing on my personal FREEDOMS.
The problem with the Transgender community is that they demand so much such as they Demand tolerance and Acceptance to the point that they are infringing other people's rights and FREEDOMS to think. They seem to want to trample other peoples rights to demand theirs while at the same time disregarding others rights and Freedoms.
So much for a so called free society when you have people demanding so much while trampling on others at the same time.
WOW!!!! That is about as an unintelligent circle of gibberish that I have ever seen!! If you would learn some proper grammar, punctuation and spelling, then apply some education about what is and isn't being asked for in the GLBTQ community, your rantings might be taken a wee bit more seriously. When is your mommy going to take away your computer priviledges?

“Just call me Das. ”

Since: Jul 07

United States

#73 Aug 12, 2008
Sean Hannity wrote:
When you demand that we as a society be tolerant of you freaks, that's all fine. Though when you want us to accept you, accept your lifestyle, fetish, beliefs, and demand total ACCEPTANCE that's when me and society say NO WAY and consider that an infringement on my personal FREEDOMS.
Since the transgender community is demanding so much such as demanding and forcing tolerance and acceptance, that to me means that you are infringing on my personal Rights and personal FREEDOMS to think, act and believe what ever I want. That to me means that your pushing your lifestyle and infringing on my personal FREEDOMS.
The problem with the Transgender community is that they demand so much such as they Demand tolerance and Acceptance to the point that they are infringing other people's rights and FREEDOMS to think. They seem to want to trample other peoples rights to demand theirs while at the same time disregarding others rights and Freedoms.
So much for a so called free society when you have people demanding so much while trampling on others at the same time.
What a load of crap.

Your rights are not being threatened or infringed upon in any way. Do try to get a grip on reality. If you rant as much and as incoherently in real life as you do here, you're going to find yourself in a jacket with very long sleeves.

“Bullish on Equal Rights”

Since: Dec 06

Rocky Mountains

#74 Aug 12, 2008
Sean king wrote:
<quoted text>That's because I don't want to be a victim of cyber bullying I consider syber bullies the lowest form of life.
Oh really? "Mirror, mirror, on the wall....."
Sean Hannity

Berlin, CT

#75 Aug 12, 2008
It goes to show right here that since your demanding not only tolerance, but forcing acceptance of your lifestyle to everyone. What seems to be lacking is the personal rights and Freedoms for everyone. It seems to me that transgender community would rather trample on someone else's rights for their own than to accept the fact that other people have rights to think and believe what they want. They have the right not to like the transgender and people need to respect that right. The problem here is that you have Transgender people infringing on peoples rights not to like them or tolerate them. It goes to show what kind of democracy we have here in America. It's more like a Stalinist liberal version here.

“Just call me Das. ”

Since: Jul 07

United States

#76 Aug 12, 2008
Sean Hannity wrote:
It goes to show right here that since your demanding not only tolerance, but forcing acceptance of your lifestyle to everyone. What seems to be lacking is the personal rights and Freedoms for everyone. It seems to me that transgender community would rather trample on someone else's rights for their own than to accept the fact that other people have rights to think and believe what they want. They have the right not to like the transgender and people need to respect that right. The problem here is that you have Transgender people infringing on peoples rights not to like them or tolerate them. It goes to show what kind of democracy we have here in America. It's more like a Stalinist liberal version here.
Purer crap. I didn't think that was possible.

Acceptance can't be forced.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#77 Aug 12, 2008
Sean Hannity wrote:
It goes to show right here that since your demanding not only tolerance, but forcing acceptance of your lifestyle to everyone. What seems to be lacking is the personal rights and Freedoms for everyone. It seems to me that transgender community would rather trample on someone else's rights for their own than to accept the fact that other people have rights to think and believe what they want. They have the right not to like the transgender and people need to respect that right. The problem here is that you have Transgender people infringing on peoples rights not to like them or tolerate them. It goes to show what kind of democracy we have here in America. It's more like a Stalinist liberal version here.
That's the POINT, guy, you can dislike someone all you want, but your dislike is not grounds for the withholding of rights. Which part of this are you not getting? Should everyone you dislike lose rights?
Sean Hannity

Berlin, CT

#78 Aug 12, 2008
Wow, you don't like it when people have the right not to like you or your kind. It seems to me that your one of those people who are pushing and demanding that everyone tolerate you and like you, when you don't realize that people in America have rights and they have that right to choose whether to like you or not.

It's no wonder why people don't like you or your transgender kind. It's because when you demand tolerance, that's fine, but when when you demand acceptance, that's pushing it and that's pushing it too far and people are saying to you, NO WAY!!!!.

You can't push and demand people to accept you and tolerate you because people have rights and they have the right to choose to like or not like you at all.

Just by your tone and language, you seem to be more of the demanding in your face for tolerance and acceptance.
Sean Hannity

Berlin, CT

#79 Aug 12, 2008
JaneKrahe wrote:
<quoted text>
That's the POINT, guy, you can dislike someone all you want, but your dislike is not grounds for the withholding of rights. Which part of this are you not getting? Should everyone you dislike lose rights?
See for me, I am find with tolerating people. I will tolerate and accept Gay, Lesbian and bisexuals. I will tolerate and accept them because they are not in your face and demanding things.

Unlike the transgender community I am not tolerant of them and I don't accept them. They demand so much. They demand so much to tolerate and accept them that I agree with society in saying NO WAY. It's my right not to like them and infringing on my right to not like them is like trampling on 1st amendment rights.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#80 Aug 12, 2008
Obviously, you aren't really reading my posts. I don't care who you like or dislike. That is your right and you are entitled to it. You are not, however, entitled to take the rights from others, simply because you don't like them. What would it be like if the President woke up one day and said, "I hate people who dye thier hair, so I'm going to make sure they can't get legeally married."

See how siily that sounds? Hate people all you want, but at least let them live thier lives without your interference.

Since: Aug 08

Location hidden

#81 Aug 12, 2008
BTW, as to the "your kind" remark: I'm not gay. But I don't think it's fair or equal that I can marry my boyfriend, but my friend can't marry his.

“Just call me Das. ”

Since: Jul 07

United States

#82 Aug 12, 2008
This guy reminds me of something I read last week:
"You can't insult a fool; he's not listening."

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