Costly changes proposed for M-104

There are 20 comments on the Nov 18, 2008, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan story titled Costly changes proposed for M-104. In it, WOOD-TV Grand Rapids and Michigan reports that:

For those traveling from Grand Rapids to Grand Haven, M-104 is a popular connector through Crockery Township and Spring Lake.

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Richard

Port Saint Lucie, FL

#1 Nov 19, 2008
These selfish people should not be allowed to stand in the way of this plan to make necessary improvements to a state highway which serves all of us.
Wow

Saint Charles, IL

#2 Nov 19, 2008
Agreed! Stop the whinning and let the state do what needs to be done!
Crockery Township

United States

#3 Nov 19, 2008
This is a needed improvement..for the area..needless to say it is a dangerous road ..especially when making a left hand turn..with the safety of our school children..riding the bus..it would help greatly for the Bus drivers..to have a wider road..the traffic is becoming heavier and when the Summer season is here..it is a needed roadway for most..widening and improvement to the road should end up being a Win..Win situation for the business'..more people would use 104 instead of by-passing it on 96...
I hope this improvement happens..
tv8reporter

Belmont, MI

#4 Nov 19, 2008
OMG you have land on a STATE Highway and everyday you see and hear the traffic, especially in the summer. You see the accidents and the horrors of this road yet you bury your heads in the sand. To rebuild it will only make things safer fpr everyone amd after all, when you bought the land, you say the right-of-way and should have expected at some time, that might really need to be used.
RAB

Ionia, MI

#5 Nov 19, 2008
Richard wrote:
These selfish people should not be allowed to stand in the way of this plan to make necessary improvements to a state highway which serves all of us.
Always easy to say when you're not the one to have to foot the bill for it.

Since: Sep 08

Orestes, IN

#6 Nov 19, 2008
Maybe lowering the speed limit to 45 mph and enforcing it would have the same effect. You all are killing one another on that road because some drive like idiots. Furthermore if you want it, pay for it, forcing the property owners to pay for access to their own property does not sound like a conservative family value to me.
regularguy

Caledonia, MI

#7 Nov 19, 2008
A new bridge over the Grand River and bypass of Spring Lake and Grand Haven should be considered. This would eliminate the need for changes to 104 by reducing traffic, eliminate the bottle neck of traffic at the Grand Haven US 31 bridge and eliminate costly expenditures of property owners along 104.
Ben

Homestead, FL

#8 Nov 19, 2008
I'm sorry, but I don't think people are just putting their heads in the sand. I think they are protecting their pocketbooks.
Why would MDOT attack small businesses in a time of economic recession? If we are in a crisis in terms of unemployment, maybe we should worry about just maintaining what we have for a while and make "improvements" after the dust has settled.
No, I don't live along 104- yes I do use it from time to time. But no matter how much good you think this plan would do... would you be able to foot the bill? If so, let's just add it to millage and all of you that are hiding these bank accounts can pay for it.
If not, maybe it shouldn't be a priority.
victorcharles

Wyoming, MI

#9 Nov 19, 2008
Widen the road, grade the shoulders, and put in a turn lane. Drop the other BS. Keep it simple.
Zeeland Rebel

Wayland, MI

#10 Nov 19, 2008
victorcharles wrote:
Widen the road, grade the shoulders, and put in a turn lane. Drop the other BS. Keep it simple.
Agreed. At very least put in a center turn lane the entire length.

Better would be 5 lanes with a center turn lane, or better yet a divided 4 lane road with indirect turns like M-45 and the East Beltline/ Broadmoor.
Earl Deetz

Lincoln Park, MI

#11 Nov 19, 2008
Do yourself a favor and Google "Access Management".

That will answer many questions.

The M-104 study isn't stating anything new when it comes to fixing safety and access problems.

And these improvements do not happen until land is developed or redeveloped.

It is part of the overall cost-benefit to owning commercial property in a desirable location adjacent to a state highway.
Drewster

Grand Rapids, MI

#12 Nov 19, 2008
freaking aholes always looking for a way to "improve" things at the lil mans expense. What they need to do is put another on/off ramp at fruitpor or Apple to ease the amount of traffic on the corridor.....It's insane to bottle all of the traffic on one stinking road.....PULL YOUR HEADS OUT!
104resident

Gwinn, MI

#13 Nov 19, 2008
I live on M-104 in Crockery township. I know its a big mess. I can't get out of my driveway in the summer and when I try to enter it any time of year I nearly get hit. But the problems with 104 in my section of the highway at least don't have a lot to do with how it is laid out.

In my area the problems with M-104 stem from people not obeying the law when they drive. Many people seem to think that M-104 is like an interstate highway and that they can drive 70 down it. They also think that when people are making left hand turns they can pass on the shoulder (you wouldn't believe how many people I've seen go into the ditch or hit a mailbox doing this). They also expect residents/business owners who need to make a right hand turn to do it at 50mph.(so when people make right turns they cause crashes since they don't slow down even as someone is turning, or swerve into the left lane and hit traffic head on)

So to me, if you want to improve M-104 (out in Crockery that is), everyone simply needs to slow down and drive on it as though it is any other surface road. Like a road where you must slow down for people turning and you cant pass them on the right and all that.

But in addition, I understand that people from GR hate the bottleneck they encounter, I would highly recommend taking M-45 into GH, or exiting at the first Nunica exit and taking Apple Rd to State Rd to bypass SL, or Take the first Nunica exit and head south to Leonard to bypass SL.

There are simple ways to correct this problem. Lets all try to be respectful and understand that simply calming down can go a long way to finding a resolution.
tax man

Muskegon, MI

#14 Nov 19, 2008
your right let the State pay for it, and pay all effected property owners with your tax dollars.
GR Man

Kalamazoo, MI

#15 Nov 19, 2008
I drive that road occasionally and I couldn't really give less of a crap what it looks like through there. Safer? I'm all for it. They may have jumped the gun thinking that they must immediately make these expensive changes but as far as aesthetics are concerned, that's just frivolous and petty.
Had Enough

Muskegon, MI

#16 Nov 19, 2008
The state of Michigan,Ottawa county and the effected townships have "No Money" for any improvements so the Property owners with their deep pockets are suppose to pay for access roads, new signs, traffic studies,tree studies and all engineering costs plus road maintenance. Would you buy one of the effected properties without demanding steep price concessions? Lets get rid of all of Michigan Jobs in 1 year!
turn out the lights

Muskegon, MI

#17 Nov 19, 2008
This project should be a Mdot project that compensates property owners through property acquistions.The road just needs a turn lane and a 45 mph speed limit and the problem is fixed for 30 years in a state with a declining wealth, and huge manufacturing job losses. Zoning laws are not a right to take away property owners rights, the elected should represent the people.
turn out the lights

Muskegon, MI

#18 Nov 19, 2008
Wow wrote:
Agreed! Stop the whinning and let the state do what needs to be done!
your right let the state pay
Big Pinner

Holland, MI

#19 Nov 19, 2008
I can not believe this we can bail out every Tom,Dick and Harry but can not even get rock salt for are roads.
stephen disbennett

Grand Haven, MI

#20 Nov 19, 2008
i live on M-104 and its pretty amazing how people that arent affected by this think its ok to let people have their property value and any equity they have earned stripped away because some so called "engineer" decided without any condsideration of cost to the property owners or input from the property owners,that we need to do something about this problem...most of the problems are created by law breaking motorists..speeders or motorists that are just not paying attention...
first off,the huge majority of the M-104 accidents occur within the villiage of spring lake...
second,the majority of accidents reported east of spring lake to nunica are car deer accidents...
the second highest cause east of spring lake to nunica are weather related,excessive speed for condition...so forcing people to make a $1500.00 a foot access road to their road frontage will not solve either of those issues...
no matter what you do,spring lake is going to bottleneck M-104..55mph to 40mph to 30 mph is the reduction in speed...so what exactly is adding essentially four more lanes of road going to solve when its still bottlenecked down to just two lanes in spring lake??
a center turn lane and lowering the speed limit to 45mph or 50mph on M-104,then enforce it,should clear up any issues..probably just lowering the speed limit and enforcement would be enough...
but once again,common sense has no place in public planning...

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