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Land of the reactive

Dunedin, FL

#1 Mar 18, 2009
Spring Hill Teens Accused Of Arson
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Hernando Today

Published: March 18, 2009

SPRING HILL -- Two high school students have been arrested on charges that they deliberately set fire to a girlfriend's house.

Authorities say Daniel Murray, 18, and another 17-year-old suspect, broke into the house at 9010 McCormick St. last Thursday and started a fire with stolen gasoline.

The juvenile, who is not being named because of his age, told investigators he started the fire because he did not want his girlfriend to live with her roommates. Only one woman was home at the time of the fire, but she was awakened by the smoke detector and was able to escape.

Officials estimate the fire caused about $1,000 worth of damage. The youngest suspect was burned on his right leg when the gasoline ignited.

Detectives cracked the case on Tuesday with the arrest of the juvenile, who admitted to setting the fire and also implicated Roberts, according to a report. Both are students and football players at Nature Coast Technical High School.

The two were arrested Tuesday on charges of arson and residential burglary. They were also charged with burglary for reportedly stealing gasoline from an unlocked shed near the scene of the fire.
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OK so why weren't they charged with attempted murder?

You set a house on fire with someone it and they get charged with burglary?

I guess the HS will bring in counselors to deal with the stress of having their friends arrested...LOL.

Does Ya But think they should be given a pass as well.

Funny Karen was just talking about kids vandalizing a house and running around looking for drugs at 3am, and all they got was a warning.

I commented next thing they will do is burn down a house and here is an example.

These two need to be put away.
Shame

Tampa, FL

#2 Mar 18, 2009
Nature Coast HS is a very close knit group, rumors or truth fly like wildfire, and everyone knew the who/what and where before the arrest. Murray was just lucky that he didn't seriously hurt that girl. Clothes/furniture can be replaced but a life.......I swear kids don't think, they hurt not only themselves but their families and everyone involved. Just lucky that the only thing hurt was the house.

I heard the why's and "stupid" is the only word I can use. Anyone want to take a bet? Probation and restitution. Putting them in jail isn't going to do anything, the parents will be the one's to pay when they have to open their pocketbooks. If convicted......off the football team. Murray is a senior? so he loses nothing.
Land of the reactive

Dunedin, FL

#3 Mar 18, 2009
Well if someone starts a house on fire and someone is inside that should be considered attempted murder.

I saw his picture on the HCSD website looks a real nice kid(LOL).

I think theft, arson, and trying to burn down a house with people inside require more then getting kicked off the football team.

They didn't just cheat on an exam, their actions could have been deadly.

If they get probation then they learn nothing and continue on this path.

There was that one pimply faced kid that kept appearing on that HCSD website over several months. I saw him once in Sweetbay.

His crimes kept escalating. Maybe he is away now, but he had like 5 arrests in 6 months.

“Down in the Bayou”

Since: Apr 08

Vancleave Mississippi

#4 Mar 19, 2009
that is what happens when children don't get enough beatings as youngsters...
Ya but

Saint Petersburg, FL

#5 Mar 19, 2009
Here you have a case of two disturbed young men.
They are going to need counseling and mental evaluation themselves. Should they be jailed?
Probably not. Serve probation? YES. Get help? YES. Jail (or a JV facility) is not going to do either of these kids any good. What goes in is not what comes out. What goes in is a stupid mistake and what comes out is a tough, trained hellish kid who will never recover from that.
Sorry, but it is time we all realize that "locking people up" is not the answer to criminal behavior.
Tell me: What purpose is actually served by incarceation? Is it rehabilative? NO.
Land of the reactive wrote:
Spring Hill Teens Accused Of Arson
OK so why weren't they charged with attempted murder?
You set a house on fire with someone it and they get charged with burglary?
I guess the HS will bring in counselors to deal with the stress of having their friends arrested...LOL.
Does Ya But think they should be given a pass as well.
Funny Karen was just talking about kids vandalizing a house and running around looking for drugs at 3am, and all they got was a warning.
I commented next thing they will do is burn down a house and here is an example.
These two need to be put away.
Land of the reactive

Dunedin, FL

#6 Mar 19, 2009
Ya but wrote:
Here you have a case of two disturbed young men.
They are going to need counseling and mental evaluation themselves. Should they be jailed?
Probably not. Serve probation? YES. Get help? YES. Jail (or a JV facility) is not going to do either of these kids any good. What goes in is not what comes out. What goes in is a stupid mistake and what comes out is a tough, trained hellish kid who will never recover from that.
Sorry, but it is time we all realize that "locking people up" is not the answer to criminal behavior.
Tell me: What purpose is actually served by incarceation? Is it rehabilative? NO.
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Yes probation like Barbara Smith. You never answered my question as to what should be done with someone like her.

She ripped off an elderly woman to the tune of 50K, she was placed in her home by Interim Healthcare of SH to assist her and cleaned out her bank account.

She got probation, well she was just arrested again this past week, so much for learning her lesson.

She was thrilled when she got probation, and why shouldn't she commit another crime, she got away with a 50K theft. Why not steal again?

To use you logic people who commit murder should go free?

These two punks set a house on fire knowing someone was inside, who was sleeping.

You can't just say "bad boys don't you do it again", they are already damaged goods.

A "stupid mistake" is taking the car without permission or stealing a steak out of Publix.

Setting a house on fire with a person inside goes beyond a "stupid mistake". It shows evil and sociopathic behavior.

Prison may not be the best answer but decent people have a right to be protected from scum.

Maybe some time in an mental facility.

But probation is going to be the incentive to commit more crimes.
Land of the reactive

Dunedin, FL

#7 Mar 19, 2009
The other thing is there is no parental control anymore. These two boys were out at 1am to start this fire.

In the house lived four HS girls????? Where are their parents, and at 1am only one of the four was home in bed????

Who allows HS kids to live on their own?

You got kids running around all hours of the night.

Parents don't seem to parent anymore.

Maybe the parents need to be fined up the wazoo, at least on one who is 17.
Ya but

Saint Petersburg, FL

#9 Mar 19, 2009
We sure are in different times nowdays.
Different times.
LOTR makes good points that I too would like the answers to.

Correcto! Parents don't parent. They want to be the kids buddies.
A B C and Z

Tampa, FL

#10 Mar 19, 2009
life can be difficult -

toss all children out at age 7 [jesuits believed Age of Reason 7]

unfortunately most of us never make it to 8 emotionally

we are all stupid children until we die
es
ask your children - they all agree 'don't listen to those dopes [adults]'

unfortunately 'their right'- we never proved anything nor approved of anyone - we is total duffiss
Only a Mom

Tampa, FL

#11 Mar 19, 2009
Land of the reactive wrote:
The other thing is there is no parental control anymore. These two boys were out at 1am to start this fire.
In the house lived four HS girls????? Where are their parents, and at 1am only one of the four was home in bed????
Who allows HS kids to live on their own?
You got kids running around all hours of the night.
Parents don't seem to parent anymore.
Maybe the parents need to be fined up the wazoo, at least on one who is 17.
There were actually 5 girls going to live together, why????? I also thought to myself, these girls aren't out of HS yet, do they all make enough at jobs to pull this off? Hey, today's kids do their own thing, and always have mom and dad to back them up, can't pay the rent folks will give it. They pay for school, cars, insurance......have you seen some of the cars in the parking lot at Nature Coast? better than mine and these kids don't pay a dime.

I don't know the teens involved, I heard stories and again the teens today are doing things that I never ever thought of, least my parents would have killed me. Today they run loose at all hours of the day and night, they have sex at 10 and are parents by age 14....sorry to lay this on the state of Florida, but with the warm weather, guidance counselors telling everyone to drop out a GED looks just like a diploma, and kids wanting to grow up fast.....I know three girls who deliberately got pregnant so they would keep their boyfriends, all were HS dropouts, under 18 and now have toodlers, no jobs and argue, fuss and fight, because they can't go out partying, their tied down with a husband and kid, all of 19/20. The young girls here, are all trying to get away from what they believe is untollerable conditons....they want me to study, they won't let me have a boyfriend, I can't stay out all night, why can't I have a car......I've heard it all, they have no patience, they want it now, and meeting up with the wrong people and choices they make will follow them a long time. Enough from me only a mom of 5....heard it all.
Ya but

Saint Petersburg, FL

#12 Mar 19, 2009
I want answers to your questions too.
Parents are happy kids are gone. They can do "their thing" since the kids are doing their thing on their own. Kids today want independence early. Some parents are more than willing to accomodate them. Kids were having sex at 14 40 years ago. Trust me. I was there and it wasn't in Florida. I remember in High School 30 some odd
years ago the kids with parents who had money had nice cars. Late model stuff. Expensive cars. Expensive clothes. That was then. Nothing has changed in that area. Usually the guys dont stay long with the girls that whine and bitch that their lives are changed because of the kids.
What is the matter with these girls? Havent they ever heard of the pill? Depo-Prova, the diaphram, the IUD (which is back).
shucks

Tampa, FL

#13 Mar 19, 2009
Ya but's convinced

sex

hex

always

bigtime

best part he knows it

wonnder where when how he come

[ can we have a good word? once?]
Land of the reactive

Dunedin, FL

#14 Mar 19, 2009
If these girls are living in a house together in SH and have nice cars and plenty of money then as they said in the musical "THE BEST LITTLE WHOREHOUSE IN TEXAS"....there is something dirty going on....lets face facts if these kids are earning money here they "ain't doin it legit" maybe stripping????

Unless the parents are paying for it, but what kind of parents would allow HS kids to live together, is that even legal, even for FL...LOL...that doesn't sound right.

Didn't the boyfriend try and burn the house down because he didn't like his girlfriend living there and what was going on.

Only one was home at 1am when this happened? Were the other girls working????? HMMMMMMMMMM
Nct St

Gainesville, FL

#15 Mar 19, 2009
Well people make stupid mistakes.
I've known Murray for 5 years and he doesn't do stuff for no reason . he must have had a very good one. not saying it was right to do so but he's not one to just light a house on fire he wouldn't have thrown his entire future out the window for no reason come on now he's a star varsity football player and track player a senior to be exact so you already know he had multiple scholarships coming his way!!!
Land of the reactive

Dunedin, FL

#16 Mar 19, 2009
Yeah, a good reason for trying to burn down a house with someone in it.

One of the Cleavland Browns just killed someone in Miami by driving drunk. Being a football player doesn't make you above the law.

Sorry I have never burned down a house,in fact I don't know anyone who has burned down a house, he has to held responsible for his actions.

He has got something coming his way alright.

It is too bad he was so foolish, but he is the only one to blame for his actions.
included but deluded

Tampa, FL

#17 Mar 20, 2009
Nct St wrote:
I've known Murray for 5 years and he doesn't do stuff for no reason .
Is the fact that some 'bright guys' think they are smarter than everyone else and act on the delusion that they can bluff and win

yes..... Murry, innocent until proven guilty, is perhaps under it all nothing more than one yelling 'look at me'
Hmmm

Tampa, FL

#18 Mar 20, 2009
Mr Murray was on probation because of several burglaries that he was involved with in July, so he violated probation, automatic 30 days in jail for violation. He can kiss any scholarships goodbye, its not happening. He's charged with Arson and burglary, should be attempted murder as there was one person in the house. The other girls stayed at their homes that night because of the smell of gasoline and that the back sliding door had been removed, so they were lucky. That $80,000 to $90,000 damage was done, he may have to pay restitution.

I know of another case Nature Coast kids did damage to home two summers ago, kids have till this summer to pay up or go back to jail.$5,000 guess whose paying, parents had to take out loans.

Murray may be a nice kid, but he let his heart get the best of him. Now he will pay.
murry said

Tampa, FL

#19 Mar 20, 2009
look away Dad

Me I'm Bad

Glad I'm bad

Hey Dad

Give Me Money

Will make believe

I'm Good
Ramey

Tampa, FL

#20 Mar 20, 2009
The kid ain't going to be rehabilitated in prison, raped, whipped, taught how to do more crime, be reckless in prison.

The kid is going to continue on with his reckless life if they don't put him in prison.

Emm. What a choice.

Shoot the little dummy in the head now and nobody has to worry. This kid is a waste.
Land of the reactive

Dunedin, FL

#21 Mar 20, 2009
Hmmm wrote:
Mr Murray was on probation because of several burglaries that he was involved with in July, so he violated probation, automatic 30 days in jail for violation. He can kiss any scholarships goodbye, its not happening. He's charged with Arson and burglary, should be attempted murder as there was one person in the house. The other girls stayed at their homes that night because of the smell of gasoline and that the back sliding door had been removed, so they were lucky. That $80,000 to $90,000 damage was done, he may have to pay restitution.
I know of another case Nature Coast kids did damage to home two summers ago, kids have till this summer to pay up or go back to jail.$5,000 guess whose paying, parents had to take out loans.
Murray may be a nice kid, but he let his heart get the best of him. Now he will pay.
Murray stopped being a nice kid after he started committing "several burglaries ", you have to wonder about the parents or parent.

I still don't understand why HS girls are living on their own and the house smelled of gasoline, so he did he pour gasoline earlier in the day and then come back later and then set it on fire?

I couldn't imagine having a HS age child living in a house like that, but if they came home with a story like that it would be the last time they would living in a place like that.

And how are they ever going to get 80 or 90K out of him....LOL...family is proably doing sighs of relief that he is 18, what about the other kid, he was 17, I guess his parents can be held liable.

They used to run a great commerical in NY on the 10 o'clock news "It is 10pm do you know where your children are ?".

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