What about the Travon Martin Case (& George Zimmerman)?

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Spunky

Spokane, WA

#1 Mar 23, 2012
Personally, this case disgusts me! Why on earth haven't Florida police arrested this murderous man yet? There is absolutely no reasonable nor rational answer. Am I alone on this one in Spokane?
The Organizer

Spokane, WA

#2 Mar 23, 2012
Thank you Spunky! I am deeply saddened by the death of such a young and innocent boy at the hands of a purported racist. While wrong either way, I am still hoping, somehow, that race was not Mr. Zimmerman's motivation.
P-E-Z

New Haven, CT

#3 Mar 25, 2012
Spunky wrote:
Personally, this case disgusts me! Why on earth haven't Florida police arrested this murderous man yet? There is absolutely no reasonable nor rational answer. Am I alone on this one in Spokane?
Because there more than two witnesses that saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him for more than 1 minute 40 sec. The crying for help was Zimmerman. His story matches the witnesses and physical evidence.
Bonnie johnson

Los Angeles, CA

#4 Mar 25, 2012
Maybe the child was trying to get Zimmerman off of him. After all Zimmerman did follow this child after being told not to. Had Zimmerman followed that small command this would have never happend.
Angry amy

Groveland, FL

#5 Mar 25, 2012
P-E-Z wrote:
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Because there more than two witnesses that saw Trayvon on top of Zimmerman beating him for more than 1 minute 40 sec. The crying for help was Zimmerman. His story matches the witnesses and physical evidence.
Actually the witnesses saw Zimmerman on top of travon.. He attack travon for no reason. Do your research do not lie an make it like the young man attacked Zimmerman.. This is a hate crime and needs to be dealt with ASAP
Unbiased

Rochester, IN

#6 Mar 25, 2012
Travon Martin was 6 feet 2 inches tall. Lets everyone stop calling him a child or boy simply to invoke sympathy for him. Witness did indeed see Travon on top of Zimmerman as well as found Zimmerman bloodied, wet, and grass stained as if he'd been attacked.

The evidence backs up Zimmerman its as simple as that. Honestly its sad that Zimmerman is being hung out to dry simply because hes white. Had he been black there would be no calls for justice here just a closed case.

Its Zimmerman that is a victim of racism not Martin. Believe me if you are jumped by someone as big as Travon it doesn't matter if hes 17 or 71. Doesn't matter if hes black or blue. All that matters is that the "kid" is capable of beating you black and blue. Zimmerman says he acted in self defense and the evidence supports that. Case closed.
Poor Boy

Westchester, IL

#7 Mar 26, 2012
It is sad that the kid is dead but it is disgusting to see racists like Al Sharpton and Barak Obama to get involved. There have been over 40 murders in Chicago since Travon was killed, were is the outrage. For the record Zimmerman is hispanic not white. The racism angle is made up!
ALVIN

Las Vegas, NV

#8 Mar 26, 2012
my heart is saden for the shooting death of this innocent boy.the police told zimmerman not to get out of his car and approach him, but did it anyway which resulted in shooting an unarmed boy and killing him.it sounds like he was on a mission to hurt him for some reason. his action was planned to do harm. how in the word did he not get arrested for going after a person when the police told him not to do so and then shoots and kills him by stating he was defending himself from what!! i lived in saint cloud, for 17yrs and heard alot of stories and bad reputation the sandford police dept has which involved alot of incidents with black african americans. police chief should be held responsible. sandford police dept gives the community a bad name.
Mike Kastl

Omaha, NE

#9 Mar 27, 2012
Does anyone know the exact height and weight of George Zimmerman and Travon Martin, that should be in a police report. That information would shed light on Zimmerman account of being assaulted by a bigger person.
Mark

Shelbyville, IN

#10 Mar 28, 2012
People don't listen to everything and the little boy,yes little boy he was only 17 years old was on the phone with his girl friend at the time and she said Zimmerman was following travon and he ask him why was he following him. The 911 police call that zimmerman made he was on something crazy because he said there is a suspicious guy walking around and 911 say how he look and Zimmerman say black hoodie dark jeans, and he's black. Five minutes late tarpon was dead what does that say. I have boy that wear hoodies and are around the same age and we need to put people away that is like Zimmerman because it can happen to anyone of us White or black. HE NEEDS TO BE PUT AWAY
Mark

Shelbyville, IN

#11 Mar 28, 2012
Two lady's that was White said Zimmerman was on top of travon and when they came out after hearing the gun shot Zimmerman was getting off travons back,and on the 911call you can hear that young man crying for help and the two lady's said they could tell that it was a kid crying don't protect him White or black if you do something hateful like this to a child justs think of al the other this he will do.
Sean

Buffalo, NY

#12 Mar 28, 2012
We have no idea what the facts are, we are all basing our opinion on what the media has been portraying. We see now how the media has had a 4 year old picture up of the victim and that he was suspended from school for burglary, drugs, etc. So before we all judge whats going on in Florida, lets get the facts first.

We cannot rely on Media, who wants to sell papers, to give u an accurate idea of whats going on!!!
Stu

Hancock, MD

#13 Mar 28, 2012
Let the justice system do its thing and let all the facts and evidence come together. It appears that two sides of this story are being bled to the masses via the media and the entire story has yet to reveal itself. But this fact is true, a Hispanic man shot a black teen and killed him. The police did not feel that there was evidence to arrest. Wait for the police report and public defenders or grand jury report to become public before rushing to judgement.
The Organizer

Spokane, WA

#14 Mar 28, 2012
Legally speaking, this is so simple to me! The minute Zimmerman got out of his car, with his gun, and ultimately against police/911 commands, and continued following Trayvon, he was in the WRONG. Period. End of story. Zimmerman should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law! I do not see how reasonable minds can arrive at a different conclusion, I just don't.
The Organizer

Spokane, WA

#15 Mar 28, 2012
If in fact the "Stand Your Ground Law" applies, it relates only to Trayvon Martin and his actions to defend himself. It is NOT applicable to the actions of the "aggressor", Mr. Zimmerman. If Mr. Zimmerman had done as 911/police instructed him (not) to do, Trayvon would be alive today. This is very sad, and very unnecessary.
DoWhatYaWant

Beaumont, TX

#16 Mar 28, 2012
All right so I dont know you from Adam, but lets meet up at night in the middle of the Street, We can get in an physical fight, You will win and walk away because your bigger, Its cool I can just shoot you with my gun when you do because thats perfectly legal according to you. Sir you are an Idiot when is that ever legal its not, and you should pull your head out your 4th point of contact.
Unbiased wrote:
Travon Martin was 6 feet 2 inches tall. Lets everyone stop calling him a child or boy simply to invoke sympathy for him. Witness did indeed see Travon on top of Zimmerman as well as found Zimmerman bloodied, wet, and grass stained as if he'd been attacked.
The evidence backs up Zimmerman its as simple as that. Honestly its sad that Zimmerman is being hung out to dry simply because hes white. Had he been black there would be no calls for justice here just a closed case.
Its Zimmerman that is a victim of racism not Martin. Believe me if you are jumped by someone as big as Travon it doesn't matter if hes 17 or 71. Doesn't matter if hes black or blue. All that matters is that the "kid" is capable of beating you black and blue. Zimmerman says he acted in self defense and the evidence supports that. Case closed.
RobertS

Milwaukee, WI

#17 Mar 28, 2012
According to the Stand Your Ground law,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-groun...
you do not have a duty to withdraw if you are attacked. If you feel your life is in danger then you can legally do what your feel is necessary to halt the attack. The big question is, "Did Trayvon attack Zimmerman?" The fact that Zimmerman got out of his car against the advice of the police is dumb but it is immaterial to the case. If Zimmerman got out of his car against police advice but Trayvon attacked Zimmerman than Zimmerman, under Florida Law, has the right to defend himself. This whole thing will come down to "who attacked who first". The evidence shows that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and caused injuries to his head. The back of Zimmerman's jacket was wet from being on the bottom on the ground and Zimmerman had head injuries.(This is contained in the police report
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/03/2...
Based on this it seems that Trayvon was the attacker.
My thoughts are that Zimmerman will not be charged. We can speculate all we want re the size of Zimmerman vs Trayvon but there does not seem to be any actual witnesses to the initial confrontation. Zimmerman may be a Rambo with a past history of problems. Trayvon has his own issues re truancy, suspension from school, the marijuana thing, and the screwdriver and jewelry in his backpack. These are indicators of the character of the people involved, nothing more. The law IMO is incredibally stupid as in some respects it allows for legalized killings. Thank the NRA for the law.
And BTW, looking at the media pictures of Trayvon is misleading. Trayvon appears to be an innocent boy of about 13 or 14 years old when in fact he was 17.
LOGICisEASY

Baltimore, MD

#18 Mar 28, 2012
How about you help fix your own neighborhood before jumping on this bandwagon. Chicago had 40 murder in ONE month, WTF!? I mean, this case has been sensationalized and manipulated by the media so badly. And of coarse, Al Sharpton has to pop up and start victimizing the black community.. Wheres that same enthusiasm when it comes to your own community? I am confused
Angry amy wrote:
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Actually the witnesses saw Zimmerman on top of travon.. He attack travon for no reason. Do your research do not lie an make it like the young man attacked Zimmerman.. This is a hate crime and needs to be dealt with ASAP
almcg2

Fremont, CA

#19 Mar 29, 2012
Are you people forgetting that another witness said it was Zimmerman on the bottom and initial police report said zimmerman had a bloody face and blood on the back of his head. It also said his back was wet like he had been on the ground on his back. Let's not decide on who was the attacker and who was the defender until we know all the facts. One person above called Trayvon a child. Well Trayvon is 6'3" and zimmerman is 5'9". Have you seen the recent photos of Trayvon? It's not the little boy you see in the first pic that came out, which was something like 5 years old. Where did this all go wrong? Zimmerman shouldn't have followed the boy, against the directions of the cops. Should zimmerman have been allowed to carry a gun? If Trayvon got pissed off, like so many teen boys do these days, and then acted with violence first, what choice did zimmerman have but to defend himself? I don't see this as a racially motivated shooting. I see it as possibly a gun owning neighborhood watch member who let the power or position go to his head, and "possibly" a young man who felt he could intimidate the much shorter authority figure. This would not be an uncommon situation. I teach at an urban high school and see aggressive thug type behavior every day.
The Organizer

Spokane, WA

#20 Mar 29, 2012
RobertS wrote:
According to the Stand Your Ground law,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stand-your-groun...
you do not have a duty to withdraw if you are attacked. If you feel your life is in danger then you can legally do what your feel is necessary to halt the attack. The big question is, "Did Trayvon attack Zimmerman?" The fact that Zimmerman got out of his car against the advice of the police is dumb but it is immaterial to the case. If Zimmerman got out of his car against police advice but Trayvon attacked Zimmerman than Zimmerman, under Florida Law, has the right to defend himself. This whole thing will come down to "who attacked who first". The evidence shows that Trayvon was on top of Zimmerman and caused injuries to his head. The back of Zimmerman's jacket was wet from being on the bottom on the ground and Zimmerman had head injuries.(This is contained in the police report
http://i2.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2012/images/03/2...
Based on this it seems that Trayvon was the attacker.
My thoughts are that Zimmerman will not be charged. We can speculate all we want re the size of Zimmerman vs Trayvon but there does not seem to be any actual witnesses to the initial confrontation. Zimmerman may be a Rambo with a past history of problems. Trayvon has his own issues re truancy, suspension from school, the marijuana thing, and the screwdriver and jewelry in his backpack. These are indicators of the character of the people involved, nothing more. The law IMO is incredibally stupid as in some respects it allows for legalized killings. Thank the NRA for the law.
And BTW, looking at the media pictures of Trayvon is misleading. Trayvon appears to be an innocent boy of about 13 or 14 years old when in fact he was 17.
REPLY:
I agree that a critical issue is who threatened or attacked who first. The admitted facts, 911 calls, and witness statements bear that out quite clearly. Mr. Zimmerman was the primary aggressor as he chased Trayvon through the grass, armed with a nine mm handgun. Whether Zimmerman's gun was initially holstered or not is not entirely relevant. It is important, though not dispositive. In my opinion, knowing only what has been released thus-far, it was clearly Trayvon who had every legal right to "Stand (his) Ground". You cannot pick a fight (Zimmerman), and then claim self-defense/stand your ground. Everyone knows that, dont they? Mr. Zimmerman is an overzealous murderer hiding behind the color of law.

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