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Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#148 Aug 6, 2014
TerryE wrote:
Well, One professional grievance group! The Womyn(s)! Transexuals are not a "grievance group". <quoted text>
LOL, Yeah right.
The transgender group that held clear channel hostage over their Kim & Beck flap demanded that they fund the "transgender re-education classes." That makes them a paid entity!
That is the SAME hustle that Jesse Jackson Jr does with his race baiting.
TerryE wrote:
Our grievances our real. <quoted text>
That's exactly how the Militant Feminist feel!
You demand tolerance, but you don't give any!!!
You meet hate with a higher level of hate.
Now that your group is facing another group just like your own, I hope you both consume each other!
Any ill will you have felt as a transgender will multiply when you give people a reason to hate you!
People who are otherwise neutral on this issue are growing tired of having small greivance groups FORCING their agenda on them.
TerryE wrote:
Our grievances our real. Each November there are Memorial Services for those of who died, due to abuse and just plain, unabashed hatred. The TDOR (Transgendered Day of Rememberance) services are world wide in their scope. They take in murders and torture of Transwomen in places such as Brasil, Russia, or Africa. Our grievances are real!
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
Great ... so WHY isn't your grievance group as active in Brazil, Russia or Africa to correct these wrongs as they are in America?
I'll tell you why, because you have no power or authority there ... so you punish the American people who probably treat you better than anywhere else in the world!
Donít you see the intolerance you are creating with your activism?

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#149 Aug 6, 2014
Same people that want taxpayer funded abortions.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#151 Aug 6, 2014
When you're faced with hate, you have to do something! Hard headed people see us as immoral. The medical profession sees us a medical/physiological anomaly. All we want to do is live our lives. However, these same hard headed people say "No, Don't give them a job!" "Don't allow them changes of licenses and other ID"," Don't allow them to eat in my resteurant!" Don't allow them to use the appropriate public restrooms!" Stand in their way at every chance! Frustrate them every way! Don't allow them to progress in their lives in any way. Make them sorry that they ever considered "becoming" Transgender. You know you or someone you know does it. "It's just wrong!" But while right or wrong, We're stuck with it!
As Jesus said in Matthew 19:12 It is not given to everyone". Or in Mark 9:47 "If thy right arm offendeth thee, cut it off!" And that is why a group of individuals band together, for us, it's survival.
Regards, Terri
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, Yeah right.
The transgender group that held clear channel hostage over their Kim & Beck flap demanded that they fund the "transgender re-education classes." That makes them a paid entity!
That is the SAME hustle that Jesse Jackson Jr does with his race baiting.
<quoted text>
That's exactly how the Militant Feminist feel!
You demand tolerance, but you don't give any!!!
You meet hate with a higher level of hate.
Now that your group is facing another group just like your own, I hope you both consume each other!
Any ill will you have felt as a transgender will multiply when you give people a reason to hate you!
People who are otherwise neutral on this issue are growing tired of having small greivance groups FORCING their agenda on them.
<quoted text>
Great ... so WHY isn't your grievance group as active in Brazil, Russia or Africa to correct these wrongs as they are in America?
I'll tell you why, because you have no power or authority there ... so you punish the American people who probably treat you better than anywhere else in the world!
Donít you see the intolerance you are creating with your activism?

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#153 Aug 7, 2014
Under our "Collectivized" medical system, we pay for everything else, so why not! It's alot cheaper and less prevalent than a heart attack, cancer, or the tuberculosus being brought here by illegals.
Regards, Terri
nickbo13 wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't hate the haters.
It's our tax dollars that are going to be paying for the sex change.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#154 Aug 7, 2014
TerryE wrote:
Under our "Collectivized" medical system, we pay for everything else, so why not! It's alot cheaper and less prevalent than a heart attack, cancer, or the tuberculosus being brought here by illegals.
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
weak arguement there ...
the american public doesn't want these illegals, but the government has sold the people out by allowing them in.

Do you really wanna put the transgender community in the same light as the illegal aliens?

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#155 Aug 7, 2014
No , No I don't! But I didn't think I was. There are so few of us and we don't have infectious diseases out of proportion to the rest of the population.
Regards, Terri
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
weak arguement there ...
the american public doesn't want these illegals, but the government has sold the people out by allowing them in.
Do you really wanna put the transgender community in the same light as the illegal aliens?
dew4794

Rochester, NY

#156 Aug 7, 2014
Oh, and a huge number of cancer patients go on smoking. And a huge number of addicts go on using after State very expensive rehab. And a huge number of felons re-offend. And fat people go on with unhealthy eating. Your post is asinine and prejudicial.
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
Although you may feel that it creates a quality of life issue for you, it is still NOT life threatening. Itís still an ELECTIVE surgery ... pay for it out of your own pocket.
If I have a heart attack, my medical insurance pays for it, not the government.
One more point ... once you start taking government money for your health issues, the government then has a say in how you live your life ... because they have a vested interest in you.
Once they pay for your operation, they may decide who you can have sex with, and how often. After all, they paid for your sex change, how can they trust you not to damage thier investment with AIDS, VD or just excessive wear and tear from too much abuse.
You man say that I sound crazy, but look at Bloomberg's 16 oz soda campaign and it's relation to public financed health care ... remember the "strain on the system" argument!

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#157 Aug 7, 2014
Just some definitions that surround alot of transgender topics

Bigotry is the state of mind of someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust or hatred on the basis of a person's ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.

Bigot: someone who sticks to a rigid set of beliefs in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary .

Ignorance is a state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge).

The word ignorant is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware and is often used as an insult to describe individuals who deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts.

Hater
Hater is a derogatory term used to describe people who are derogatory towards people. Haters behave as such not out of jealousy, but out of the need to reduce the target of hatredís standing. The term is often used as an abusive ad hominem attack to dismiss any negative criticism. It is also often commits the fallacy of begging the question as it exempts the abusive use of the word hater from being considered hateful by assuming it's reasonable and the criticism made by the supposed hater is not.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#158 Aug 7, 2014
dew4794 wrote:
Oh, and a huge number of cancer patients go on smoking. And a huge number of addicts go on using after State very expensive rehab. And a huge number of felons re-offend. And fat people go on with unhealthy eating. Your post is asinine and prejudicial.
<quoted text>
I don't see how that post was prejudicial.
Feel free to quote me, and explain the prejudice.
Simply put, MY tax dollars pay for this, so I have the right to agree or disagree with how MY money is spent!

As for asinine, yes ... I agree with you.
Keep in mind, that bloomberg wanted to limit NYers to 16oz because of the burden of obisity on heathcare. How far off do you think it is that the government will decide that they paid for your sex change, so they will interfere with your sex life.
So yeah, I agree with you that it is asinine, but it IS happening.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#160 Aug 7, 2014
Annaleigh wrote:
Just some definitions that surround alot of transgender topics
Bigotry is the state of mind of someone who, as a result of their prejudices, treats or views other people with fear, distrust or hatred on the basis of a person's ethnicity, race, religion, national origin, gender, disability, sexual orientation, socioeconomic status, or other characteristics.
Bigot: someone who sticks to a rigid set of beliefs in spite of overwhelming evidence to the contrary .
Ignorance is a state of being uninformed (lack of knowledge).
The word ignorant is an adjective describing a person in the state of being unaware and is often used as an insult to describe individuals who deliberately ignore or disregard important information or facts.
Hater
Hater is a derogatory term used to describe people who are derogatory towards people. Haters behave as such not out of jealousy, but out of the need to reduce the target of hatredís standing. The term is often used as an abusive ad hominem attack to dismiss any negative criticism. It is also often commits the fallacy of begging the question as it exempts the abusive use of the word hater from being considered hateful by assuming it's reasonable and the criticism made by the supposed hater is not.
Thanks for posting this ...

I can apply all these definitions to the militant, intolerant transgender activists who treat anyone who disagrees as a less than human enemy. Regardless of the reason for the dissent.

They are bigoted in their name calling,

They display ignorance in their arguments, as they can't apply a factual proof or logical arguments ... they just rely name calling.

And they are the meanest haters ... relentless in shouting down opposition!

Thanks for helping me prove my point.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#161 Aug 7, 2014
TerryE wrote:
Under our "Collectivized" medical system, we pay for everything else, so why not! It's alot cheaper and less prevalent than a heart attack, cancer, or the tuberculosus being brought here by illegals.
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
I work, so I don't use the "Collectivized" medical system, I just pay into it.
The "Collectivized" medical system doesn't pay for MY medical bills, I do.
I pay for my bills, and I pay for everybody else that either can't or WON'T pay ... and now YOU wanna add your bills to my tax burden because you're just a small group?

NY state has a health surcharge that takes 9% of EVERY New Yorkerís bill as a tax to pay for the uninsured ... last year they collected over 2.8 BILLION dollars.(And yet, we still need Obamacare to pay for the uninsured.)

That was enough money ALREADY collected by the state to pay for medical issues for those who canít pay. However, politicians siphoned off quite a bit of this money to use for their re-elections.
If your small group wants the money already collected to pay for your medical needs, you should focus you attacks on the corruption in Albany!
dew4794

Rochester, NY

#162 Aug 7, 2014
There is one point you are making that IS IMPORTANT: the lack of consequences. For instance, I know a family of twelve children, none have the same father. Why should our taxes go for someones hot time? A lot of govt. help is truly needed. But who watches out for the tax-payer? Nadda. Zip. On this point we agree
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't see how that post was prejudicial.
Feel free to quote me, and explain the prejudice.
Simply put, MY tax dollars pay for this, so I have the right to agree or disagree with how MY money is spent!
As for asinine, yes ... I agree with you.
Keep in mind, that bloomberg wanted to limit NYers to 16oz because of the burden of obisity on heathcare. How far off do you think it is that the government will decide that they paid for your sex change, so they will interfere with your sex life.
So yeah, I agree with you that it is asinine, but it IS happening.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#163 Aug 7, 2014
dew4794 wrote:
There is one point you are making that IS IMPORTANT: the lack of consequences. For instance, I know a family of twelve children, none have the same father. Why should our taxes go for someones hot time? A lot of govt. help is truly needed. But who watches out for the tax-payer? Nadda. Zip. On this point we agree
<quoted text>
"A lot of govt. help is truly needed."
WHY?!?!

I would think that if the mother couldn't afford to feed her first baby ... she wouldn't have another one.
Govenment intervention is what enabled her to repeat the problem 12 times.

But honestly, I am interested in what part of what I said was prejudice.
feel free to make your point.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#164 Aug 7, 2014
I don't mean to be patronizing to you. Believe me, we're closer on this issue than you think.
However, I see this from another prospective. I know what Transexuals go through. Denying surgery to a Transexual is a virtual death sentence or at the least, you're sentencing her to a life of alcoholism or drug addiction, terminating in a suicide. So much for your "Elective surgery"!
In 1959, I needed a spinal fusion operation for my scoliosis (My woman's disease)! My father paid for it, period. It was $2000 + a small amount. In 1988, My daughter needed the same operation. Now it cost $20,000! What was the difference? In 1959 my father had no insurance (neither did anyone else). In 1988, just about everyone had insurance and the prices went up so no one could afford anything. "After all, the insurance will pay for it!" And the doctors just kept grabbin and grabbing! Now you can barely afford an emergency room visit. So how's an unemployable Transexual going to pay for it? She isn't! And you know that! You will be effectively condemning her to death or a living hell on a fine technical point that the professionals don't agree with you on.
Regards, Terri
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
I work, so I don't use the "Collectivized" medical system, I just pay into it.
The "Collectivized" medical system doesn't pay for MY medical bills, I do.
I pay for my bills, and I pay for everybody else that either can't or WON'T pay ... and now YOU wanna add your bills to my tax burden because you're just a small group?
NY state has a health surcharge that takes 9% of EVERY New Yorkerís bill as a tax to pay for the uninsured ... last year they collected over 2.8 BILLION dollars.(And yet, we still need Obamacare to pay for the uninsured.)
That was enough money ALREADY collected by the state to pay for medical issues for those who canít pay. However, politicians siphoned off quite a bit of this money to use for their re-elections.
If your small group wants the money already collected to pay for your medical needs, you should focus you attacks on the corruption in Albany!
Angie Cable

Fairport, NY

#166 Aug 7, 2014
TerryE wrote:
I don't mean to be patronizing to you. Believe me, we're closer on this issue than you think.
However, I see this from another prospective. I know what Transexuals go through. Denying surgery to a Transexual is a virtual death sentence or at the least, you're sentencing her to a life of alcoholism or drug addiction, terminating in a suicide. So much for your "Elective surgery"!
In 1959, I needed a spinal fusion operation for my scoliosis (My woman's disease)! My father paid for it, period. It was $2000 + a small amount. In 1988, My daughter needed the same operation. Now it cost $20,000! What was the difference? In 1959 my father had no insurance (neither did anyone else). In 1988, just about everyone had insurance and the prices went up so no one could afford anything. "After all, the insurance will pay for it!" And the doctors just kept grabbin and grabbing! Now you can barely afford an emergency room visit. So how's an unemployable Transexual going to pay for it? She isn't! And you know that! You will be effectively condemning her to death or a living hell on a fine technical point that the professionals don't agree with you on.
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
No one is denying you surgery ... Go ahead and get the surgery ... but pay for it yourself.

You seem to think that there is a money tree with endless supply of money that can be used for anything or anyone.
The money on the money tree grows by forcefully taking it from the minority of working people.
Taxpayers aren't required to pay for everyone who suffers, because everyone is suffering.
The well just isn't that deep!

Everyone is struggling to reach the things that make them happy and whole in life.
There are many people never reach their goal in life, but they work to get as close as they can afford.

You may never be happy until you are a man ... but someone with a good paying job will never reach their goal in life because he has to sacifice his goals to feed yours.

And all because you don't wanna work for it.

Keep in mind, your suffering means nothing to me if MY kids have to suffer because you took my money.
Angie Cable

Fairport, NY

#167 Aug 7, 2014
TerryE wrote:
I don't mean to be patronizing to you. Believe me, we're closer on this issue than you think.
However, I see this from another prospective. I know what Transexuals go through. Denying surgery to a Transexual is a virtual death sentence or at the least, you're sentencing her to a life of alcoholism or drug addiction, terminating in a suicide. So much for your "Elective surgery"!
In 1959, I needed a spinal fusion operation for my scoliosis (My woman's disease)! My father paid for it, period. It was $2000 + a small amount. In 1988, My daughter needed the same operation. Now it cost $20,000! What was the difference? In 1959 my father had no insurance (neither did anyone else). In 1988, just about everyone had insurance and the prices went up so no one could afford anything. "After all, the insurance will pay for it!" And the doctors just kept grabbin and grabbing! Now you can barely afford an emergency room visit. So how's an unemployable Transexual going to pay for it? She isn't! And you know that! You will be effectively condemning her to death or a living hell on a fine technical point that the professionals don't agree with you on.
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
That burden of increased health costs effects everyone.
All the doctor visits, hospital visits and other medical things my family needs cost a considerable amount to me. And I pay for my own medical costs, and as I pay for my medical bills, the state takes 9% to pay for others.
Any money that is taken from my family causes that same stress to fester in my family.
My kids canít afford college because you took my money.
They end up unable to get a job because they donít have an education.
Being unable to work and provide for themselves or their family leads them to drink, use drugs and even suicide.

Your rationalized demand for someone else to pay for your medical coverage is amazing to me.
Youíre just passing the buck of suffering on to someone else, and youíre ok with that.
But Iím a bigot for saying otherwise?

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#168 Aug 8, 2014
We can go round and round on this! Much much less is spent on Transexual surgery than is spent on bad hearts,(From eating too much fat) cancers,(again, bad diet) and various other ailments and accidents. I remind you, How is a semi-transitioned girl going to get a job to pay for it when no one will hire a semi-transitioned TS? So your "Work for it!" is BS. Another insurmountable obstacle thrown up to frustrate us even more! Your "No one is denying you surgery!" is a half truth at best. In most states, If you begin Transition on the job, you get fired. I myself was forced out of the best job I ever had because I was perceived as Gay. I'm not Gay, I'm Transexual, but the person harrassing me neither knew or cared about the difference. How do you save money under those circumstances? De Facto Denial of surgery! Oh and BTW, I'm M to F, not F to M.
Regards, Terri
Angie Cable wrote:
<quoted text>
No one is denying you surgery ... Go ahead and get the surgery ... but pay for it yourself.
You seem to think that there is a money tree with endless supply of money that can be used for anything or anyone.
The money on the money tree grows by forcefully taking it from the minority of working people.
Taxpayers aren't required to pay for everyone who suffers, because everyone is suffering.
The well just isn't that deep!
Everyone is struggling to reach the things that make them happy and whole in life.
There are many people never reach their goal in life, but they work to get as close as they can afford.
You may never be happy until you are a man ... but someone with a good paying job will never reach their goal in life because he has to sacifice his goals to feed yours.
And all because you don't wanna work for it.
Keep in mind, your suffering means nothing to me if MY kids have to suffer because you took my money.
RFCBF

Rochester, NY

#169 Aug 8, 2014
Angie Cable wrote:
<quoted text>
That burden of increased health costs effects everyone.
All the doctor visits, hospital visits and other medical things my family needs cost a considerable amount to me. And I pay for my own medical costs, and as I pay for my medical bills, the state takes 9% to pay for others.
Any money that is taken from my family causes that same stress to fester in my family.
My kids canít afford college because you took my money.
They end up unable to get a job because they donít have an education.
Being unable to work and provide for themselves or their family leads them to drink, use drugs and even suicide.
Your rationalized demand for someone else to pay for your medical coverage is amazing to me.
Youíre just passing the buck of suffering on to someone else, and youíre ok with that.
But Iím a bigot for saying otherwise?
Don't waste your time because Terry E is a professional poster/troll, he/she will twist, spin and lie" it's" butt off to push "it's" agenda. "Terry E" trolls the internet looking sites where he/she can attack anything "it" thinks is anti gay then go into full attack mode, seen "it" do it many times before. Good luck.
Ha Ha

Westminster, MA

#172 Aug 8, 2014
RFCBF wrote:
<quoted text> Don't waste your time because Terry E is a professional poster/troll, he/she will twist, spin and lie" it's" butt off to push "it's" agenda. "Terry E" trolls the internet looking sites where he/she can attack anything "it" thinks is anti gay then go into full attack mode, seen "it" do it many times before. Good luck.
I think you're right because no amount of logic can sway her/ his position

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#173 Aug 9, 2014
Terry E is a M to F Transexual, who is trying to educate a lot of people on just what Transexualism is and is not. My background is that is was adopted into a middle class family as a baby and I grew up knowing something was wrong, but back then you didn't say what it was because it was a one way ticket to the asylum. So you kept it quiet and suffered in silence. I had a Mensa level IQ and I dropped out of HS. I drank too much! If drugs had been as available as they are now, I would be addicted. I fought a lot. I hated life! I thought often about suicide. By the mid sixties, more and more TSes came out and gave me hope. All the while, I kept looking for distractions, Fast boats, fast cars, even a pilot's license and my own plane. All of it worked for a while and then it didn't work any more and I moved on to something else. All the while knowing what I really wanted, but couldn't bring myself to do it. That's it in a nutshell! I'm not a "Professional" advocate for Transexuals in their plight. I don't get paid for this! Politically, I'm right of center, this is the only subject I'm even mildly "left" on. But why should your medical problems be decided on someone's political stance? We're talking about curing or not curing them. It's easy to deny them to avoid paying for them. But once that gets started, we'll be "Qualifying" every medical problem and be granting cures to only those we feel are deserving and brushing all the others away with a wave of the hand saying "It's all in your head!". I hope I've explained myself well enough.
Regards, Terri
RFCBF wrote:
<quoted text> Don't waste your time because Terry E is a professional poster/troll, he/she will twist, spin and lie" it's" butt off to push "it's" agenda. "Terry E" trolls the internet looking sites where he/she can attack anything "it" thinks is anti gay then go into full attack mode, seen "it" do it many times before. Good luck.

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