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Rochester covering workers' gender reassignment

There are 182 comments on the WCAX-TV Burlington story from May 18, 2014, titled Rochester covering workers' gender reassignment. In it, WCAX-TV Burlington reports that:

Rochester, New York officials say their city will extend transition-related health coverage to transgender and gender non-conforming municipal employees.

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Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#111 May 25, 2014
BTT! So please don't burden us (TSes) with your calculated "Ignorance" (Ignore-ance) You love to ignore us so we'll go away, but we're still here and still hurting. You love to deny it's a problem, despite all medical evidence that it is. And you try to convince yourselves that we're costing you a fortune in higher Ins costs because (As you well know) we can't afford this surgery on our own. Willful and deliberate ignorance of the problem! Denial! Don't burden us with your small mindedness!
Regards, Terri
A reader wrote:
<quoted text>
Every time this thread starts to fall off and finally go away - because no one cares (aside from the high cost) about whacky TGs, you bump it to the top.
So.... please don't burden us with your gender confusion. You have not convinced one person on here that it makes any sense. Get a new hobby.
rochmetro

Brockport, NY

#112 May 25, 2014
Not only do you have gender confusion, you have name confusion.
On the left of your posts it says "Terry", but you sign off as "Terri".
Is one your "male" persona and the other your "female" persona ?
Ha Ha

Frankfort, NY

#113 May 25, 2014
TerryE wrote:
BTT! So please don't burden us (TSes) with your calculated "Ignorance" (Ignore-ance) You love to ignore us so we'll go away, but we're still here and still hurting. You love to deny it's a problem, despite all medical evidence that it is. And you try to convince yourselves that we're costing you a fortune in higher Ins costs because (As you well know) we can't afford this surgery on our own. Willful and deliberate ignorance of the problem! Denial! Don't burden us with your small mindedness!
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
for someone who is hoping others will pay the high cost of YOUR surgery, you could sure stand to be more gracious and act less entitled to our money!!
Ha Ha

Frankfort, NY

#114 May 25, 2014
TerryE wrote:
BTT! So please don't burden us (TSes) with your calculated "Ignorance" (Ignore-ance) You love to ignore us so we'll go away, but we're still here and still hurting. You love to deny it's a problem, despite all medical evidence that it is. And you try to convince yourselves that we're costing you a fortune in higher Ins costs because (As you well know) we can't afford this surgery on our own. Willful and deliberate ignorance of the problem! Denial! Don't burden us with your small mindedness!
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
for someone who expects others to pay for YOUR expensive surgery, you could stand to be a little more gracious and act a little less entitled!!!
EdW

Pittsford, NY

#115 May 25, 2014
TerryE wrote:
BTT! So please don't burden us (TSes) with your calculated "Ignorance" (Ignore-ance) You love to ignore us so we'll go away, but we're still here and still hurting. You love to deny it's a problem, despite all medical evidence that it is. And you try to convince yourselves that we're costing you a fortune in higher Ins costs because (As you well know) we can't afford this surgery on our own. Willful and deliberate ignorance of the problem! Denial! Don't burden us with your small mindedness!
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
I was thinking doing the TG thing or a tattoo. Any suggestions? Never mind, a tattoo sounds classier.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#116 May 25, 2014
If you have the symptoms, By all means make the change! If you don't have the symptoms, Go ahead and have it anyway. Then you really would be a TS and you'd find out what we go through. Remember, If you're not a TS when you have the surgery, you will be after!
Definition of a TS, One who's mind doesn't march their body! Go ahead. Find out what alcoholism is all about! Or drug addiction! Or that wonderful feeling of just not giving a shit, about anything or anyone! Cry yourself to sleep at night asking God, Why me? You hate the thought of suicide, yet it seems like the only way out! You have a big date with depression! And you can go to a resturant or bar and see pretty women all dressed up and wish youi were one of them, have a few drinks, now the gun is loaded and cocked. All that's needed is to pull the trigger. so someone says something and you let go. Your frustration just took over! And then there's "Gender Hell" which is inexplicable to all none TS folks. But ask a TS, if she's honest she'll know exactly what you're talking about. Yeah nothing to it! It's all only Cosmetic! No real need, If you want it, you pay for it Blah blah blah!
Regards, Terri
EdW wrote:
<quoted text>
I was thinking doing the TG thing or a tattoo. Any suggestions? Never mind, a tattoo sounds classier.
EdW

Pittsford, NY

#117 May 25, 2014
Blah, blah blah... b/s. Get changed quietly.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#119 May 26, 2014
I was thinking narrowly (Of transexualism) but speaking broadly! I forgot the other possible scenarios. You have my condolences!
Regards, Terri
U R Misinformed wrote:
<quoted text>
"Definition of a TS, One who's mind doesn't march their body!"
Ok hows this scenario. My neighbor thinks she is a hot sexy woman. In reality she is a 300lb fat sloppy loud mouth pig. Only tolerated because her kids play with all the other kids on the street and are nice kids.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#120 May 26, 2014
TerryE wrote:
I was thinking narrowly (Of transexualism) but speaking broadly! I forgot the other possible scenarios. You have my condolences!
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
Boy is that the truth!

Like you think we all actually CARE about YOUR problems?
You think we care enough to give you our tax dollars (since we have the highest tax burden in the country) so you can have your expensive surgery?

What happens when a trans gender gets the surgery, and is STILL not happy?
Maybe it wasn't a gender issue but some other mental problems all along!!!

How will you want the taxpayers to help you then?

Maybe the spartians were right to throw the damaged babies over a cliff

“Peace”

Since: Feb 08

Earth

#121 May 26, 2014
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
Boy is that the truth!
Like you think we all actually CARE about YOUR problems?
You think we care enough to give you our tax dollars (since we have the highest tax burden in the country) so you can have your expensive surgery?
What happens when a trans gender gets the surgery, and is STILL not happy?
Maybe it wasn't a gender issue but some other mental problems all along!!!
How will you want the taxpayers to help you then?
Maybe the spartians were right to throw the damaged babies over a cliff
In cities such as Sparta and Thebes, there appeared to be a particularly strong emphasis on relationships between men and youths, and it was considered an important part of their education. On the night of their wedding, Spartan wives were expected to lie in a dark room and dress as a man - presumably to help their husbands make the transition from homosexual to heterosexual love.
http://www.pbs.org/empires/thegreeks/backgrou...

ANCIENT SPARTAN HOMOSEXUALITY
#t=127

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#122 May 26, 2014
That's pretty big admission, that it's just indeference!( with maybe just a smidgen of hate) We didn't cause this thing, we just want relief from it! Yet you would have no problem with ole Joe who has a heart condition from eating too many greasy hamburgers, despite his Dr's advice not to. Or Jim, who has six kids and just found out his wife is pregnant with twins. Or Bill, who likes his booze and went out in the car and wrecked it and he's got six months in the hospital (God, What will that cost?) Or Sam's kid who ODed on drugs and they were just able to save him. Or Charlie's wife who has skin cancer from tanning too much? I could go on and on with "Lifestyle choices" that caused horribly expensive medical procedures that you wouldn't object to. But let one or two TSes show up for relief and it's screw you, pervert!

The purpose of counseling is to weed out the people who would not be happy. Drs in the US will only operate with two letters from accredited Psychs.
There are rarely any physical signs of transexualism. In most cases you can't pick us out of a crowd. The difference is in the Brain's physical structures. We have male bodies with female brains. Hope this Helps!
Regards, Terri
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
Boy is that the truth!
Like you think we all actually CARE about YOUR problems?
You think we care enough to give you our tax dollars (since we have the highest tax burden in the country) so you can have your expensive surgery?
What happens when a trans gender gets the surgery, and is STILL not happy?
Maybe it wasn't a gender issue but some other mental problems all along!!!
How will you want the taxpayers to help you then?
Maybe the spartians were right to throw the damaged babies over a cliff
A reader

Pittsford, NY

#123 May 26, 2014
TerryE wrote:
But let one or two TSes show up for relief and it's screw you, pervert!
<quoted text>
Now you're starting to understand... 99% of us think you're nuts, and wasting hard warned taxpayer dollars to tweak your mental illness.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#124 May 26, 2014
TerryE wrote:
That's pretty big admission, that it's just indeference!( with maybe just a smidgen of hate) We didn't cause this thing, we just want relief from it! Yet you would have no problem with ole Joe who has a heart condition from eating too many greasy hamburgers, despite his Dr's advice not to. Or Jim, who has six kids and just found out his wife is pregnant with twins. Or Bill, who likes his booze and went out in the car and wrecked it and he's got six months in the hospital (God, What will that cost?) Or Sam's kid who ODed on drugs and they were just able to save him. Or Charlie's wife who has skin cancer from tanning too much? I could go on and on with "Lifestyle choices" that caused horribly expensive medical procedures that you wouldn't object to. But let one or two TSes show up for relief and it's screw you, pervert!
The purpose of counseling is to weed out the people who would not be happy. Drs in the US will only operate with two letters from accredited Psychs.
There are rarely any physical signs of transexualism. In most cases you can't pick us out of a crowd. The difference is in the Brain's physical structures. We have male bodies with female brains. Hope this Helps!
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
YOU'RE the one trying to turn this argument into hate speech, not me!
Instead of accusing ME of hate, look at your demand for MY money to solve YOUR problems ... it makes you a thief!
Your denial and counter accusations are the actions of a thief caught stealing ... they try to justify their thief by claiming it as a necessity!

There is no pity for a thief!

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#125 May 26, 2014
I don't know where the "Hate speech" came from. I mentioned hate on your part as b eing a motivator for your obstructionism towards us getting surgery. I note that you're ignoring the other scenarios I outlined that demand healthcare. Even though they're all caused by the person themselves, you don't have a problem with them and they'll wind up costing far more than a simple SRS would. But not a penny for some "Pervert" and his imaginary problem.
So how are things on the garbage truck? No, you don't work on the trash truck? You sound like it! Or some other bottom of the barrel job. Like an entry position that never went anywhere. You have that attitude with the usual concurrent idea that we are not to be trusted.That we're somehow pulling a big scam, using your money. Foprtunately, Cooler and more reasonable heads are prevailing. Over 60% of the American people support us in poll after poll. This thing has been studied in every western country and no one even debates it anymore (except you guys on the trash trucks) Science and medicine accept the legitimacy of it. Even Iran (A fine leftward leaning place) accepts the reality of it. You're like the folks in the flat earth society. When the last of you die off, we'll stuff and put you in a museum!
Regards, Terri
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
YOU'RE the one trying to turn this argument into hate speech, not me!
Instead of accusing ME of hate, look at your demand for MY money to solve YOUR problems ... it makes you a thief!
Your denial and counter accusations are the actions of a thief caught stealing ... they try to justify their thief by claiming it as a necessity!
There is no pity for a thief!
TS Skeptic

Pittsford, NY

#126 May 27, 2014
TerryE wrote:
I don't know where the "Hate speech" came from. I mentioned hate on your part as b eing a motivator for your obstructionism towards us getting surgery. I note that you're ignoring the other scenarios I outlined that demand healthcare. Even though they're all caused by the person themselves, you don't have a problem with them and they'll wind up costing far more than a simple SRS would. But not a penny for some "Pervert" and his imaginary problem.
So how are things on the garbage truck? No, you don't work on the trash truck? You sound like it! Or some other bottom of the barrel job. Like an entry position that never went anywhere. You have that attitude with the usual concurrent idea that we are not to be trusted.That we're somehow pulling a big scam, using your money. Foprtunately, Cooler and more reasonable heads are prevailing. Over 60% of the American people support us in poll after poll. This thing has been studied in every western country and no one even debates it anymore (except you guys on the trash trucks) Science and medicine accept the legitimacy of it. Even Iran (A fine leftward leaning place) accepts the reality of it. You're like the folks in the flat earth society. When the last of you die off, we'll stuff and put you in a museum!
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
Does getting the work done cause you to be boring? You write these rambling posts that don't help your cause at all. But good luck on your overhaul.

Can you hear the OR staff laughing when you're under?
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#127 May 27, 2014
TerryE wrote:
I don't know where the "Hate speech" came from. I mentioned hate on your part as b eing a motivator for your obstructionism towards us getting surgery.
Yes, YOU are the one spouting hate speech. You think that if I am not willing to spend my tax dollars on your problem, I belong to some extreme cult or the KKK. But really, I am tired of being taxed to death by a government that wastes my money. And your gender change surgery is a huge burden on the taxpayers, and your cost figures are way too low!
TerryE wrote:
I note that you're ignoring the other scenarios I outlined that demand healthcare. Even though they're all caused by the person themselves, you don't have a problem with them and they'll wind up costing far more than a simple SRS would. But not a penny for some "Pervert" and his imaginary problem. <quoted text>
I am not ignoring your other scenarios ... I already addressed them. You just aren't listening.
I don't care about how all those people live, just like I don't care about how you live. And I would rather the city pay an insurance company for county employees instead of self-insuring. I am all for covering life threatening illnesses but not elective surgeries like a nose job or breast enlargement. Let them pay for their own vanity.
TerryE wrote:
So how are things on the garbage truck? No, you don't work on the trash truck? You sound like it! Or some other bottom of the barrel job. Like an entry position that never went anywhere. <quoted text>
I paid over $93,000 in taxes last two years … so I guess the garbage business is doing fine on my end. And of all the money I spent on taxes, the roads here still look like crap, the schools are begging for more money, and they had to close a bridge in gates that needed repairs. And now you assume I am some uneducated slob because I am grumbling about how I gotta pay for changing your plumbing. Again, you should be more gracious to the people you steal from!!!
TerryE wrote:
IYou have that attitude with the usual concurrent idea that we are not to be trusted.That we're somehow pulling a big scam, using your money. Foprtunately, Cooler and more reasonable heads are prevailing. Over 60% of the American people support us in poll after poll. This thing has been studied in every western country and no one even debates it anymore (except you guys on the trash trucks) Science and medicine accept the legitimacy of it. Even Iran (A fine leftward leaning place) accepts the reality of it. You're like the folks in the flat earth society. When the last of you die off, we'll stuff and put you in a museum!
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
This figure of over 60% comes as a result of the speech Nazis with the GLBT outfit that get people fired (like Kimberly & Beck) if they say anything that disagrees with your agenda. I am not afraid of your speech Nazis! And apparently only 40% aren’t either.
And your argument that your lifestyle is accepted even in Iran is also pure fantasy, where they hang and stone homosexuals regularly there.
But go ahead with your rant … it just proves my point they YOU are the one spouting hate speech at anyone who disagrees with you.

Since: Jan 09

Central NJ

#128 May 27, 2014
"Hate Speech" aside (I'm not getting into an argument over what ever constitutes "Hate Speech") Your reasoning sounds like what you'd hear at 11;pm down at the corner, sawdust on the floor, neighborhood bar on a Friday night.
I agree with you, we are paying too much in taxes. All of us! Me too! And there's too many cops and people in jail, too many fatcat politicians, too many lawyer as consultants to the boards and commissions. In Jersey, Too many engineers and legal consultants are on the state pension rolls (WTF Is that?) We can both go on and on about the corruption. But you focus on one infintisimible, small item that isn't even corruption and want to deny a perfectly qualified person the medical care that they need and deserve!

So it doesn't bother you that your financing Joe's heart attack, or Mary's lung cancer especially when there's a lot more "Joes" and "Marys" around than transexuals! OK whatever you say!

What's wrong with self insuring? You'll get screwed either way!

I would sympathethise with you over the roads and bridges, but Gov Corbett just raised our gas tax (And diesel)$.35 @ Gal. And our roads are crap too. Think I'm not mad about that?

I don't know what you mean by "Speech Nazis" I wouldn't have fired the two people on the radio. But you have to understand, Transexuals have been maligned for a long time and some of us are a little tired of it and tend to overreact. Oh and BTW, We're not gay! They're a different breed of cat.

And the Iran thing? You are Wrong! Ayatolleh Khomeini issued a Fatwa stating that Transexuals were made by God and must be protected and encouraged. You're right about Gays though, they're still hanging them! Look up the movie Transexual In Iran.
Research the terms Hijra, Kathoey, Fa Fafini. Berdache.
Regards, Terri
Ha Ha wrote:
<quoted text>
Yes, YOU are the one spouting hate speech. You think that if I am not willing to spend my tax dollars on your problem, I belong to some extreme cult or the KKK. But really, I am tired of being taxed to death by a government that wastes my money. And your gender change surgery is a huge burden on the taxpayers, and your cost figures are way too low!
<quoted text>
I am not ignoring your other scenarios ... I already addressed them. You just aren't listening.
I don't care about how all those people live, just like I don't care about how you live. And I would rather the city pay an insurance company for county employees instead of self-insuring. I am all for covering life threatening illnesses but not elective surgeries like a nose job or breast enlargement. Let them pay for their own vanity.
<quoted text>
I paid over $93,000 in taxes last two years … so I guess the garbage business is doing fine on my end. And of all the money I spent on taxes, the roads here still look like crap, the schools are begging for more money, and they had to close a bridge in gates that needed repairs. And now you assume I am some uneducated slob because I am grumbling about how I gotta pay for changing your plumbing. Again, you should be more gracious to the people you steal from!!!
<quoted text>
This figure of over 60% comes as a result of the speech Nazis with the GLBT outfit that get people fired (like Kimberly & Beck) if they say anything that disagrees with your agenda. I am not afraid of your speech Nazis! And apparently only 40% aren’t either.
And your argument that your lifestyle is accepted even in Iran is also pure fantasy, where they hang and stone homosexuals regularly there.
But go ahead with your rant … it just proves my point they YOU are the one spouting hate speech at anyone who disagrees with you.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#129 May 27, 2014
TerryE wrote:
"Hate Speech" aside (I'm not getting into an argument over what ever constitutes "Hate Speech") Your reasoning sounds like what you'd hear at 11;pm down at the corner, sawdust on the floor, neighborhood bar on a Friday night.<quoted text>
Well, that same "hate speech" is also being spoken on the radio, and everywhere else when it concerns taxpayer's money being wasted! You are trying to minimalize my complaint of wasting tax dollars by saying only ignorant people talk that way. Well it's the ignorant people who don't speak and their taxes keep going up ... and then they can't understand why they can't afford to feed their families.

[QUOTE who="TerryEI agree with you, we are paying too much in taxes. All of us! Me too! And there's too many cops and people in jail, too many fatcat politicians, too many lawyer as consultants to the boards and commissions. In Jersey, Too many engineers and legal consultants are on the state pension rolls (WTF Is that?) We can both go on and on about the corruption. But you focus on one infintisimible, small item that isn't even corruption and want to deny a perfectly qualified person the medical care that they need and deserve!
So it doesn't bother you that your financing Joe's heart attack, or Mary's lung cancer especially when there's a lot more "Joes" and "Marys" around than transexuals! OK whatever you say!<quoted text>[/QUOTE]

I focus on ONE INFINTISIBLE, SMALL ITEM?!? like I said, it starts out as one, and as word gets out, every TG moves to Monroe county to get their "free" surgery! then it isn't so small.
As Ben Franklin says, "be mindful the pennies and the dollars will take care of themselves!"
TerryE wrote:
What's wrong with self insuring? You'll get screwed either way!
<quoted text>
Well, for starters, going with a national insurance company spreads the cost over a wider area ... not just Monroe county taxpayers!
TerryE wrote:
I would sympathethise with you over the roads and bridges, but Gov Corbett just raised our gas tax (And diesel)$.35 @ Gal. And our roads are crap too. Think I'm not mad about that?<quoted text>
If you understand how the money is being wasted on things that are not what these taxes were intended, why would you contribute to the problem by asking for money from the government. If you weren't over taxed, more TG could probably pay for their own surgery. And I am all for that!
TerryE wrote:
I don't know what you mean by "Speech Nazis" I wouldn't have fired the two people on the radio. But you have to understand, Transexuals have been maligned for a long time and some of us are a little tired of it and tend to overreact. <quoted text>
And as a taxpayer ... I too have been abused, and tire of the waste, so I tend to react as necessary to protect my tax dollars.
TerryE wrote:
Oh and BTW, We're not gay! They're a different breed of cat.
And the Iran thing? You are Wrong! Ayatolleh Khomeini issued a Fatwa stating that Transexuals were made by God and must be protected and encouraged. You're right about Gays though, they're still hanging them! Look up the movie Transexual In Iran.
Research the terms Hijra, Kathoey, Fa Fafini. Berdache.
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
If they are so sympathetic, then why was the Fatwa needed in the first place?
Because there is a VAST majority who aren't so sympathetic!!! I have spent many years in the middle east, and I never met a Muslim who thought TG were different than gay. But my experience in country probably doesn't match the reality of a movie.
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#130 May 27, 2014
TerryE wrote:
But you focus on one infintisimible, small item that isn't even corruption and want to deny a perfectly qualified person the medical care that they need and deserve! So it doesn't bother you that your financing Joe's heart attack, or Mary's lung cancer especially when there's a lot more "Joes" and "Marys" around than transexuals! OK whatever you say!
Regards, Terri <quoted text>
I forgot to mention that the TG community now gets their free surgery, but the city doesn't cover women who have breast cancer and want/need reconstructive surgery, or people with eating disorders or body image disorders who also feel they need corrective surgery!

And I brought up corruption, because I wanna know who in our government decides who is important eneough to gets these great benefits while leaving others out?

How is it the the TG community deserves this freebee but these others don't?
Maybe by your logic, it's just that the population don't support these other people like they do the TG?!?
B.S.!!!
Ha Ha

Fairport, NY

#131 Jun 1, 2014
TerryE wrote:
What's wrong with self insuring? You'll get screwed either way!
Regards, Terri
<quoted text>
Rochester doesn't have the money on hand to pay for these surgeries ... it would have to borrow it!
That means the taxpayers not only pay for the surgery, but the interest as well!

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