DMV Friend

Rochester, NY

#134 Jan 28, 2014
Racing Randy

Rochester, NY

#135 Jan 28, 2014
These lower end dealers really put a bad taste for the business in so many consumers mouth by pulling this type of crap. The bigger HONEST dealers are also against what they are doing and will help in stopping from posting as owners.
DMV Friend

Rochester, NY

#136 Jan 28, 2014
Bob is a jerk

Rochester, NY

#137 Jan 29, 2014
It sounds to me that these dealers that are trying to come off as owners are nothing more than frauds. Classic case of false advertising lets hope that NY state does something about this practice.
Mr Auction

Rochester, NY

#138 Jan 29, 2014
Well it looks like it is time for me to get involved. My neighbor has access to the sales reports from the auctions around here. Time for me to get those every-week to compare what dealers are paying for their cars and how much they are asking for and point out specific examples as they are very easy to cross reference.. make model equipment and mileage.

I am sure it will make for interesting conversation I will get the first one tonight at the auction

If dealers want to post as owners it is time to point out specific ads to show their profit margin.
Sickofbs

Hilton, NY

#139 Jan 29, 2014
@Mr Auction....
I've got some questions that other people might have also... Please, truthful, honest answers...Are these auctions open to dealers only? If so, dealers of what or is only a NY state tax id needed? Do the winners pay NY state sales tax? Is there any way to check a veh. id # to see if it had been through one of these auctions? Thanks...
Sickofbs

Hilton, NY

#140 Jan 29, 2014
Oh...@Mr Auction...Do the winners have to sign the titles or is there even a title transfer involved? Thanks again.....Sick
Former Dealer

Rochester, NY

#141 Jan 29, 2014
Sickofbs wrote:
@Mr Auction....
I've got some questions that other people might have also... Please, truthful, honest answers...Are these auctions open to dealers only? If so, dealers of what or is only a NY state tax id needed? Do the winners pay NY state sales tax? Is there any way to check a veh. id # to see if it had been through one of these auctions? Thanks...
Dealers only
Auto dealers only
A Dealer's license is needed and a tax ID to register at the auctions
Buyers do NOT pay sales tax
Only way to check outside the auctions if a car was in an auction is by one of the vehicle history reports. Dealers can check the auction records on line by VIn at some auctions.
Mr Auction

Rochester, NY

#142 Jan 29, 2014
I know that the auction on Carin St., Dansville , and Buffalo are strictly Dealer only. They do not pay sales tax on their purchase however they do pay an auction fee.

They transfer the title through a mv50 form.

Yes a carfax is a simple way to see if a particular car went through any auction and always is a great idea to use on any car that is purchased it is well worth the money.

If I were to buy a car at auction a late model low mileage lease turn in can be a good deal, however the lower end cars under 5000 I would not touch with a 10 foot pole as there is a reason those cars run through the auction.
Former Dealer

Rochester, NY

#143 Jan 29, 2014
Sickofbs wrote:
Oh...@Mr Auction...Do the winners have to sign the titles or is there even a title transfer involved? Thanks again.....Sick
Buyer does not sign the title. The title was signed by the seller and the dealer he sold the car to. Further transactions are doen with a special dealer form MV50.

First dealer who signed the title as the buyer uses mv50 to sell to the next dealer or the reatial private buyer. There are as many mv50s as there are wholesale transactions.

When you go to dealer, ask to see th paperwork before you buy. If there are many mv50s then the car may have big problems.
Sickofbs

Ashburn, VA

#144 Jan 29, 2014
@Mr Auction
@Former Dealer

Thank you....
DMV Friend

Rochester, NY

#145 Jan 29, 2014
Fred Merz

Webster, NY

#146 Jan 29, 2014
CLPD

Rochester, NY

#147 Jan 29, 2014
WHAT A WASTE OF TIME.
DMV Friend

Rochester, NY

#148 Jan 29, 2014
bob is a jerk

Rochester, NY

#149 Jan 30, 2014
Rumor has it that one of the local tv news station is putting together a story about the false advertising here and what can be done about it.
Former Dealer

Rochester, NY

#150 Jan 30, 2014
bob is a jerk wrote:
Rumor has it that one of the local tv news station is putting together a story about the false advertising here and what can be done about it.
That could be hilarious with them trying to interview some of those jokers!!! LOL! I can't wait! It's about time someone exposed the used car industry!!!
bob is a jerk

Rochester, NY

#151 Jan 30, 2014
The funny thing is that most reporters be it tv, radio, or the newspaper tend to look the other way with any thing that can rock the boat with their golden goose as the bigger dealers in town are their cash cow with all of the dollars spent on advertising.

But if you have never noticed every time there is a news piece on some fraud being discovered is from one of these smaller dealers who are not paying for advertising. So from that point it does make sense that they will come after these jerks who are posting as owners.

Cant wait !!
Stacey

Rochester, NY

#152 Jan 30, 2014
Don't hold your breath, cause the news ain't going to cover this as its not a story.

If CL doesn't care that people are ripping them off why should anyone else??
bob is a jerk

Rochester, NY

#153 Jan 30, 2014
Stacey wrote:
If CL doesn't care that people are ripping them off why should anyone else??
Why you ask ???

The simple answer is that it is Fraud !!!!!!!!!

A Dealer cant advertise as an owner it is as simple as that

Unless you think it is ok for a business to commit fraud it is wrong

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