Car dealers scam posting as owners on...
Tommy Rules

Alden, NY

#567 Mar 11, 2014
Yes I have heard that Craigslist has changes in order to the car for sale section coming soon to combat this problem not only here but all over the country.
semper fi forever

Penfield, NY

#568 Mar 11, 2014
I heard Craigslist has changes in order to limit the number of flagging each IP addrees can do, to stop people that just flag anything and everything.
Stay away from Jag

Rochester, NY

#569 Mar 11, 2014
Just check out Jag Auto and you will see the same cars that are posted everyday as owners cars

http://www.jagautosales.net/inventory.aspx
Cl police

Rochester, NY

#570 Mar 11, 2014
That buick suv has been posted everyday for at least a month
semper fi forever

Penfield, NY

#571 Mar 11, 2014
Stay away from Jag wrote:
Just check out Jag Auto and you will see the same cars that are posted everyday as owners cars
http://www.jagautosales.net/inventory.aspx
i thought you had to sell more than 8 cars to be a dealer in nys??

jag auto only has 6 cars, maybe they haven't even sold a car yet?
Dorky Dave

Alden, NY

#572 Mar 11, 2014
semper fi forever wrote:
<quoted text>
i thought you had to sell more than 8 cars to be a dealer in nys??
jag auto only has 6 cars, maybe they haven't even sold a car yet?
Yes in NY a person who sells more than 5 cars a year needs to have a dealer licence.
hemorrhoids

Penfield, NY

#573 Mar 11, 2014
Hey if you guys think your the Craigslist Police, how come you don't go after others on Craigslist, like MCC with their free dental cleaning????
They post multiple ads for the same things, this is against the rules, and they even post multiple in the same day in the free section.

How come you don't go after them?? Is it ok for a big college or a rich college student to abuse Craigslist, but not car dealers???

http://rochester.craigslist.org/zip/430783328...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/zip/434878027...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/zip/434724450...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/zip/437024535...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/zip/435285045...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/zip/436583752...
dot3

Ashburn, VA

#574 Mar 12, 2014
Because used car, junk auction car dealers are the lowest of the low and admittedly try to screw their clients and are proud of it...read some of the previous posts....again and proud of doing so...
Dorky Dave

Alden, NY

#575 Mar 12, 2014
Good point dot3 .....

Car dealers are just out to screw the public plain and simple.
DMV Friend

Alden, NY

#576 Mar 12, 2014
Lets see what dealers thatI can report to CL today

http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/436110139...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/436870922...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/436077078...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437197351...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437178096...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/436803949...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437183215...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437159849...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437177085...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437175586...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/436754391...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/436278998...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437161847...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437159873...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437159071...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/436739690...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437136922...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437138520...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/436446361...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/436444053...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/436815268...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437144926...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437144240...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/433873713...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437143283...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/436710038...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437121029...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437129458...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/435648658...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437125686...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/436232017...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/435546048...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/436733864...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/436506383...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/435968599...
http://rochester.craigslist.org/cto/437105588...
Tommy Rules

Alden, NY

#577 Mar 13, 2014
These jerks never learn !
Former Dealer

Rochester, NY

#578 Mar 13, 2014
semper fi forever wrote:
<quoted text>
i thought you had to sell more than 8 cars to be a dealer in nys??
jag auto only has 6 cars, maybe they haven't even sold a car yet?
You don't have to sell ANY cars to get dealer's license, but you need to have more than 5 sales per year to keep dealer plates.

If you are NOT a licensed dealer and you make more than 5 private sales per year, the state considers you a dealer and you fall under the NYS dealer regs and can be penalized under them.
DMV Friend

Alden, NY

#579 Mar 13, 2014
Just got an email from the folks over at CL. They thanked me for bringing to their attention what is going on here in Rochester with dealers posting as owners. They acknowledged that is becoming a growing problem not only here but in many other cities.

They assured me that they are working hard on making simple chances to prevent his from happening. They even recognized the revenue that they are missing out on so it is of high priority.

I will continue to send the listings in question to them and I strongly encourage others to do the same .

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#580 Mar 13, 2014
I almost got scammed by a guy on CL selling salvage title cars. He had a Russian accent that got worse when
I started asking questions about the telltale signs of frame straightening and welding and repainted areas. They buy totalled cars cheap, fix them as cheaply as possible, and do not disclose the fact it is a salvage title and they do this for a living, usually not paying taxes, cash business. Watch out.
DMV Friend

Alden, NY

#582 Mar 13, 2014
Hey idiot trying to be me !!!!

I love clean teeth and to compare dental students offering free teeth cleaning to those in our community that might not have insurance to car dealers that are openly committing fraud by advertising their cars as owners well you are just wrong.

There is only 1 or me !!

Since: Jan 11

Location hidden

#583 Mar 14, 2014
Also, the salvage title scammers often get out of state cars to try to confuse things. One red flag is a car going for way below bluebook value. Always check the status of the title and never buy without a clear non-salvage title. Salvage cars are a huge risk, not worth it, unles you want to be stranded and lose money or get injured.
Buy or adopt a robot instead, they make great companions, never get tired, never die, very handy, good at ping pong and only slightly radioactive.
CL Spam

Rochester, NY

#585 Mar 15, 2014
Flagging is an inexact science but we can make some guesses:
* It definitely takes more than 1 flag to take a post down.
* Maybe five-ish?
- Less if poster has had many ads flagged/deleted in the past.
- More if poster has had a lot of ad views with no flags.(No, not his own views :-)
* You are not likely to get a Ad flagged/deleted if you flag from the same computer/location.
* CL apparently looks at some combination of IP address (location) and MAC address (computer hardware address).
- an enterprise/location/building might have a multiplicity of people and computers all using the same (external) IP address so CL can't go entirely by IP.
- a computer might have many users so they can't go entirely by MAC
* One seems to lose "flag juice" if one flags a lot of posts at a time. I don't know what that number is but let's call it five-ish?
* Flagging seems to work best when many people all flag the same posts.
* Pick a number;
- 10 people all flagging the same 5 posts will likely get those posts deleted.
- 10 people randomly attacking 50 posts will likely fail.

Happy Flagging.
DMV Friend

Alden, NY

#586 Mar 15, 2014
Thanks for the info .... CL has algorithms built into their protocols and if anyone knew what they were it would make the flagging process much easier... but you offer many great points to consider !!

We can only hope that CL in the future uses phone numbers as a what to block ads. Say more than 5 ads from a certain number for different ads per year would create an automatic flag Perhaps that is what they are working on.
CL Spam

Rochester, NY

#587 Mar 15, 2014
Actually CL does use phone numbers (to varying degrees, it seems to change from month to month) to tie an account to CL.

Sometimes if you post from a different location CL will ring or text you to make sure it's you. Sometimes, if you post too much, CL will hassle you with rings/texts to your phone before you can complete your post. But, most times, they don't bother you.

If a lot of your ads get flagged/deleted CL will "Ghost" you. That means it looks like your Ad got posted but, in reality, no one can see/view it!(How great is that :-)

Ultimately they can, and do, disable your account. Not as effective as it used to be since you can pretty much grab a new phone number anytime you need one.
Tommy Rules

Alden, NY

#589 Mar 16, 2014
Wow this topic is a very popular point of interest judging by all of the responses. It must be that crooked car dealers really piss people off !

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