Lovely Warren: National search for ne...

Lovely Warren: National search for next Rochester police chief

There are 118 comments on the Rochester Democrat and Chronicle story from Dec 16, 2013, titled Lovely Warren: National search for next Rochester police chief. In it, Rochester Democrat and Chronicle reports that:

Mayor-elect Lovely A. Warren has announced the city will conduct a national search to find Rochester's next police chief.

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BlackyBlack

Rochester, NY

#43 Jan 5, 2014
FTW Yall wrote:
<quoted text>So let me get this straight. You think that police should be trusted to elect their own leader? And this will end police corruption? That is the making of a police state. Your model is the most flawed of them all. Sorry but their is nothing patriotic about that scenario.
Fix the damn two party system. Let the people pick who govern their lives. Hells bells the police already have to much power, they don't need more.
You can demonstrate and explain it out to him as much as you want.......He'll never get it.
There is a reason, as flawed as it is, why we have a system of checks and balances.

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#44 Jan 5, 2014
Where did I ever mention anything about police corruption, I didn't so stop adding things like you love to do. The police already have too much power, oh please give me some examples on that one. The state make laws and regulations for the benefit of their communities when it comes to police powers, so don't blame the police for that. They are doing what they are empowered to do by the state.

A police state, get real, there are so many laws telling the police what they can cannot do it ridiculous, so your police state theory is misguided at best.

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#45 Jan 5, 2014
BlackyBlack wrote:
<quoted text>
You always come back with the name calling and insults. Try having a civil conversation for once.
No, I don't need your help finding an example. Your memory must be pretty short.
Here's a few clues Meritt Rahn, Greece NY, major cover up's and corruption.
All because the person that should have been able to remove him from command couldn't.
For reasons similar to the what you're suggesting should be the process for installing and removing a Police Chief.
Thanks for making point yet again, Merritt Rahn was appointed by the Town Board under Auberger who is an elected official. Thanks for making my point loud and clear. You can save your breath, the same thing with Urlacher when Mayor Ryan appointed his as police chief. Both cases were done by ELECTED officials.
Bart

Rochester, NY

#46 Jan 5, 2014
It does not matter who gets picked. The new Chief will have his hands tied and will be criticized for picking on blacks. Lovely is promising jobs for all blacks? Half can not even fill out a job application, read or write. 40 % graduate from high school. What jobs can they get? So the shootings and crime continue as they join gangs, sell drugs and rob everything not locked down. Yes this is the real city Miss Lovely. The females are having babies to get a welfare checks and food stamps. Kids that are not wanted that also will end up in the streets someday not educated. Lets see how you solve the crime problem and the shootings Miss Lovely. You talk out your ass. Socialism does not work. It never will It brought down Rome and it will bring down the USA. We have had several shootings already in 2014. The crime will just get out of control at some point. Police will not be able to keep up.

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#47 Jan 5, 2014
Bart wrote:
It does not matter who gets picked. The new Chief will have his hands tied and will be criticized for picking on blacks. Lovely is promising jobs for all blacks? Half can not even fill out a job application, read or write. 40 % graduate from high school. What jobs can they get? So the shootings and crime continue as they join gangs, sell drugs and rob everything not locked down. Yes this is the real city Miss Lovely. The females are having babies to get a welfare checks and food stamps. Kids that are not wanted that also will end up in the streets someday not educated. Lets see how you solve the crime problem and the shootings Miss Lovely. You talk out your ass. Socialism does not work. It never will It brought down Rome and it will bring down the USA. We have had several shootings already in 2014. The crime will just get out of control at some point. Police will not be able to keep up.
You got that right.

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#48 Jan 5, 2014
BlackyBlack wrote:
<quoted text>
You always come back with the name calling and insults. Try having a civil conversation for once.
No, I don't need your help finding an example. Your memory must be pretty short.
Here's a few clues Meritt Rahn, Greece NY, major cover up's and corruption.
All because the person that should have been able to remove him from command couldn't.
For reasons similar to the what you're suggesting should be the process for installing and removing a Police Chief.
Oh and you have things mixed up a little. Merritt Rahn committed a crime(s) which gave the town to have him removed from his appointed position. You have to have wrong doing in order to be removed. You can't remove the guy just because you may not like him. If he isn't doing the job then you don't renew his contract with the town. That's pretty easy now isn't it. Even better I bet you blame Merritt Rahn for Nick Joseph and Gary Pignato too. Well guess what, both were approved and hired by the town board, again elected officials.

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Since: Jul 13

Drive it, like you stole it

#50 Jan 5, 2014
The_ Patriot_USA wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh and you have things mixed up a little. Merritt Rahn committed a crime(s) which gave the town to have him removed from his appointed position. You have to have wrong doing in order to be removed. You can't remove the guy just because you may not like him. If he isn't doing the job then you don't renew his contract with the town. That's pretty easy now isn't it. Even better I bet you blame Merritt Rahn for Nick Joseph and Gary Pignato too. Well guess what, both were approved and hired by the town board, again elected officials.
Whats that second sentence??
Exactly, but the people should be the ones who remove his contract or renew it. Through voting. All persons who hold power over the public should be elected by the public. Police Chiefs too.

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Since: Jul 13

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#51 Jan 5, 2014
The_ Patriot_USA wrote:
<quoted text>
Thanks for making point yet again, Merritt Rahn was appointed by the Town Board under Auberger who is an elected official. Thanks for making my point loud and clear. You can save your breath, the same thing with Urlacher when Mayor Ryan appointed his as police chief. Both cases were done by ELECTED officials.
That's why Police Chiefs should be voted in by the people and face terms.

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#52 Jan 5, 2014
I agree with terms but not elected by the public. What happens there would be the candidates would have to belong to a political party which means they would be running an election and owned by that political party. Not to count a lot of companies and corporation will privately back their candidate. When that happens you have political favors. I could see a combination civilian board and a law enforcement board to choose a chief and oversee their actions. That board would have the power to hire or terminate the chief, but the mayor should not be part of the process.

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#53 Jan 5, 2014
The_ Patriot_USA wrote:
I agree with terms but not elected by the public. What happens there would be the candidates would have to belong to a political party which means they would be running an election and owned by that political party. Not to count a lot of companies and corporation will privately back their candidate. When that happens you have political favors. I could see a combination civilian board and a law enforcement board to choose a chief and oversee their actions. That board would have the power to hire or terminate the chief, but the mayor should not be part of the process.
I just gotta agree to disagree with ya' on this. I just see that as an issue but a separate issue. Not to mention political parties already do and will continue to have that kind of influence. I just see your idea as a knee jerk reaction with its own can of worms instead of correcting what needs to be corrected. Your idea is verging on creating a quasi-government with-in a government. Members of the police forces and unions would invariably create their own political party like lines and lead to a behind the shadows mess. Not to mention the fact that it would only build complete contempt and mistrust of the police force. They already face that be it rightly or wrongly.

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#54 Jan 5, 2014
Same here I have to agree to disagree with you. It's not a knee jerk reaction at all. It's not a quasi government within the government. I never said that there shouldn't be a panel or someone else to make sure the chief stays in line. I'm just saying it should not be the mayor or a political appointee. You have to remember that police members in the command staff are not part of the union. They lose that protection once they get promoted usually from Captain on up to chief. Police Unions usually support certain political candidates therefore they get support and so does the politician. So your theory on that goes out the window because police unions support those candidates that will standby the police, criminal justice system and be ethical and held accountable.

The mistrust of any police force goes both ways. Yes there are some bad apples and they do eventually get weeded out, some just take longer than others. But you also have citizens who create false turmoil and lie about police officers actions. Not to mention throwing in the race card because they don't get their way. The worst part is that Internal Affairs entertains these idiots without any repercussions if they file a false statement because they believe it will mean citizens won't come forward next time. There is no easy fix to all the problems the city has but the enforcement or lack thereof is a direct reflection on the mayor because that's who is pulling the strings behind the scenes.
Steel City Stupid

Rochester, NY

#55 Jan 5, 2014
Bart wrote:
It does not matter who gets picked. The new Chief will have his hands tied and will be criticized for picking on blacks. Lovely is promising jobs for all blacks? Half can not even fill out a job application, read or write. 40 % graduate from high school. What jobs can they get? So the shootings and crime continue as they join gangs, sell drugs and rob everything not locked down. Yes this is the real city Miss Lovely. The females are having babies to get a welfare checks and food stamps. Kids that are not wanted that also will end up in the streets someday not educated. Lets see how you solve the crime problem and the shootings Miss Lovely. You talk out your ass. Socialism does not work. It never will It brought down Rome and it will bring down the USA. We have had several shootings already in 2014. The crime will just get out of control at some point. Police will not be able to keep up.
A common hate speech full of ignorance.
BlackyBlack

Chicago, IL

#56 Jan 6, 2014
The_ Patriot_USA wrote:
<quoted text>Oh and you have things mixed up a little. Merritt Rahn committed a crime(s) which gave the town to have him removed from his appointed position. You have to have wrong doing in order to be removed. You can't remove the guy just because you may not like him. If he isn't doing the job then you don't renew his contract with the town. That's pretty easy now isn't it. Even better I bet you blame Merritt Rahn for Nick Joseph and Gary Pignato too. Well guess what, both were approved and hired by the town board, again elected officials.
I don't have anything mixed up at all. You actually described in detail exactly the scenario that happens when you can't get rid of a bad Chief.

Although Rahn was appointed by Boily(?). Auburger couldn't replace him once he took office. I believe it's a Civil Service Law; that prevents Town/Village Governments from removing a Police Chief once in office....it's a long drawn out process almost tantamount to a trial......and the Town/Auburger didn't remove Rahn, he resigned.

Were you in a coma during Rahn's trail?
A Greece officer testified that Rahn directed him to doctor Pignato/Joseph background checks.....especially when it came to the reasons they were fired/resigned from RPD. Duffy also testified that a recommendation from him for Pignato was forged.
So, in your opinion who should carry the water for Joseph and Pignato?
BlackyBlack

Chicago, IL

#57 Jan 6, 2014
Bart wrote:
It does not matter who gets picked. The new Chief will have his hands tied and will be criticized for picking on blacks. Lovely is promising jobs for all blacks? Half can not even fill out a job application, read or write. 40 % graduate from high school. What jobs can they get? So the shootings and crime continue as they join gangs, sell drugs and rob everything not locked down. Yes this is the real city Miss Lovely. The females are having babies to get a welfare checks and food stamps. Kids that are not wanted that also will end up in the streets someday not educated. Lets see how you solve the crime problem and the shootings Miss Lovely. You talk out your ass. Socialism does not work. It never will It brought down Rome and it will bring down the USA. We have had several shootings already in 2014. The crime will just get out of control at some point. Police will not be able to keep up.
Go down to your bunker....we'll let you know we it's safe to come out.

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#58 Jan 6, 2014
BlackyBlack wrote:
<quoted text>
I don't have anything mixed up at all. You actually described in detail exactly the scenario that happens when you can't get rid of a bad Chief.
Although Rahn was appointed by Boily(?). Auburger couldn't replace him once he took office. I believe it's a Civil Service Law; that prevents Town/Village Governments from removing a Police Chief once in office....it's a long drawn out process almost tantamount to a trial......and the Town/Auburger didn't remove Rahn, he resigned.
Were you in a coma during Rahn's trail?
A Greece officer testified that Rahn directed him to doctor Pignato/Joseph background checks.....especially when it came to the reasons they were fired/resigned from RPD. Duffy also testified that a recommendation from him for Pignato was forged.
So, in your opinion who should carry the water for Joseph and Pignato?
Auberger has the final say on who gets hired, it is his responsibility and his alone on who gets hired or not, his words. The officer that testified also got a deal to testify against Rahn in return for no charges against him. Ultimate responsibility belongs to Auberger, he then shedded that responsibility and blamed only Rahn instead of taking responsibility for actions that were under his control.
BlackyBlack

Chicago, IL

#59 Jan 6, 2014
The_ Patriot_USA wrote:
<quoted text>Auberger has the final say on who gets hired, it is his responsibility and his alone on who gets hired or not, his words. The officer that testified also got a deal to testify against Rahn in return for no charges against him. Ultimate responsibility belongs to Auberger, he then shedded that responsibility and blamed only Rahn instead of taking responsibility for actions that were under his control.
What you're leaving out is that Auburger also said, he made those decisions based on the candidate information that was provided to him by Rahn.

I don't know how you can continue to dispute what I'm saying. It's all a matter if public record.

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#60 Jan 6, 2014
BlackyBlack wrote:
<quoted text>
What you're leaving out is that Auburger also said, he made those decisions based on the candidate information that was provided to him by Rahn.
I don't know how you can continue to dispute what I'm saying. It's all a matter if public record.
I'm not disputing it you idiot but theres more to the story than what you are giving. Like the officer who filed a false business record and then turned tail and made it sound like all Rahn's fault. Sorry not the case. Rahn, Auberger and the officer are all to blame, but who came out squeaky clean....... Auberger. Sorry but that's wrong.
rhonda

Rochester, NY

#61 Jan 6, 2014
The_ Patriot_USA wrote:
I agree with terms but not elected by the public. What happens there would be the candidates would have to belong to a political party which means they would be running an election and owned by that political party. Not to count a lot of companies and corporation will privately back their candidate. When that happens you have political favors. I could see a combination civilian board and a law enforcement board to choose a chief and oversee their actions. That board would have the power to hire or terminate the chief, but the mayor should not be part of the process.
Just one question, who s the most respected Chief/ Sheriff in the country? It is Sheriff Joe from Az and he is elected, not appointed. He isn't a "D" or an "R" and that is why the voters keep putting him in office. All police chiefs and sheriffs should be voted into or out of office beyond a doubt and not be tired to any mayor, governor or union.

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#62 Jan 6, 2014
rhonda wrote:
<quoted text> Just one question, who s the most respected Chief/ Sheriff in the country? It is Sheriff Joe from Az and he is elected, not appointed. He isn't a "D" or an "R" and that is why the voters keep putting him in office. All police chiefs and sheriffs should be voted into or out of office beyond a doubt and not be tired to any mayor, governor or union.
Sheriff Arpaio is awesome. I think I said that they shouldn't be tied to a mayor or any other politician. Arpaio is a great guy, that's why the politicians are fighting to get him removed. He does the right thing and understands that inmates are in jail for a reason, unlike NY who gives inmates everything for nothing.
RePigs friend

Rochester, NY

#63 Jan 6, 2014
The_ Patriot_USA wrote:
<quoted text>
Sheriff Arpaio is awesome. I think I said that they shouldn't be tied to a mayor or any other politician. Arpaio is a great guy, that's why the politicians are fighting to get him removed. He does the right thing and understands that inmates are in jail for a reason, unlike NY who gives inmates everything for nothing.
Well you and I agree on that for sure. Did you ever wonder why it is the DOJ(Holder), the democrats and groups like La Razza that are going after him? I sure don't.

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