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Some Chevrolet dealers have stopped carrying the Volt after deciding that their sales didn't justify an additional $5,100 for tools to service the plug-in hybrid.

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iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#41 Jan 27, 2013
i got da facts wrote:
<quoted text> I deal in facts man not some panty waste link .
No links, all lies.

I drove 78 miles on the freeway today. I used .8 gallons of gas. That equates to 97 mpg. Your Ford Fairlane uses almost 700 gallons of gas a year.

You hate gas and big oil so much. Do you see the irony? You're waiting at the gas station as you pump another $80 into your tank and you see me drive by in my beautiful, 2012, summit white Volt, getting 135 mpg, city, and you call me a gas hog!!! Now that's funny! Stupid, but funny.

If your parents find out you are saving for a Tesla, they might start charging you rent.

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scientist test guy

Naperville, IL

#42 Jan 27, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
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No links, all lies.
I drove 78 miles on the freeway today. I used .8 gallons of gas. That equates to 97 mpg. Your Ford Fairlane uses almost 700 gallons of gas a year.
You hate gas and big oil so much. Do you see the irony? You're waiting at the gas station as you pump another $80 into your tank and you see me drive by in my beautiful, 2012, summit white Volt, getting 135 mpg, city, and you call me a gas hog!!! Now that's funny! Stupid, but funny.
If your parents find out you are saving for a Tesla, they might start charging you rent.
Yes folks the test results are finaly in.It seems volt owners have a 80% higher suicide rate than the normal population.
observer

Naperville, IL

#43 Jan 31, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
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No links, all lies.
I drove 78 miles on the freeway today. I used .8 gallons of gas. That equates to 97 mpg. Your Ford Fairlane uses almost 700 gallons of gas a year.
You hate gas and big oil so much. Do you see the irony? You're waiting at the gas station as you pump another $80 into your tank and you see me drive by in my beautiful, 2012, summit white Volt, getting 135 mpg, city, and you call me a gas hog!!! Now that's funny! Stupid, but funny.
If your parents find out you are saving for a Tesla, they might start charging you rent.
You dont mind buying gas cause you stole your brothers credit card.I seen your kind before pal.You ride others shirt tails til you run our of shirt tails to ride,Then ya fall in the gutter like a skid row bum.
Volts for Dolts

Florham Park, NJ

#44 Feb 1, 2013
scientist test guy wrote:
<quoted text> Yes folks the test results are finaly in.It seems volt owners have a 80% higher suicide rate than the normal population.
Volt owners will do anything to avoid admitting they've been suckered!
iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#45 Feb 1, 2013
Volts for Dolts wrote:
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Volt owners will do anything to avoid admitting they've been suckered!
Yep, a record 93% of us hate to admit we were suckered. Actually, 97% love the car, but only 93% said they will definitely buy the car again. The other 4% said they will give it serious thought.

Yep, we hate our Volts so much, we would do anything to avoid admitting I'm a sucker. In fact, I drive 30 miles a day without gas so that I don't have to admit that I'm a sucker.

I know that when you put $80 in you tank, twice a week, you laugh at me because I've put $24 in my tank in the last 10 months.

I'm ashamed. You pegged me.

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dr fill

Naperville, IL

#46 Feb 2, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
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Yep, a record 93% of us hate to admit we were suckered. Actually, 97% love the car, but only 93% said they will definitely buy the car again. The other 4% said they will give it serious thought.
Yep, we hate our Volts so much, we would do anything to avoid admitting I'm a sucker. In fact, I drive 30 miles a day without gas so that I don't have to admit that I'm a sucker.
I know that when you put $80 in you tank, twice a week, you laugh at me because I've put $24 in my tank in the last 10 months.
I'm ashamed. You pegged me.
The stats are in folks.Volt owners are depressed intraverted people that live in a small home with many locks on their doors.they are afraid of their own shadow and rarely come out in public and make eye contact.To put it in simple terms folke,Them people are nuckin futs man!!!!
iluvmyVolts Shrink

Trumbull, CT

#47 Feb 2, 2013
dr fill wrote:
<quoted text> The stats are in folks.Volt owners are depressed intraverted people that live in a small home with many locks on their doors.they are afraid of their own shadow and rarely come out in public and make eye contact.To put it in simple terms folke,Them people are nuckin futs man!!!!
How did you get my evaluation of iluvmyVolt? This is a clear violation of the doctor-patient confidentiality code of ethics.
Solarman

Twentynine Palms, CA

#48 Feb 2, 2013
Here's the quote from Iluvmyvolt and the response from another thread:"iluvmyVolt wrote:
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My Volt gave me a 22% return the first year.$39,500 -$7,500 credit -$1,300 gas savings. A 4% return every year after. That's a 38% return in 5 years.
I paid my house off in 19 years at age 44 by paying bi-weekly payments. I purchased all my cars cash, including 2 Cadillacs, by setting up separate accounts and waiting until I had the cash to buy. Those were earning 3%. That's how I turned a working man's wage into a comfortable cushion and retired at 50, without a pension.
If you call buying 6 gallons of gas in 15 months being a sucker, that's fine. My total charging costs were under $300. How much did you spend for gas? You spent a minimum of $1,300. That must be added to the cost of your car. That makes our spread $2,300 when I subtract my charging costs, that's a minimum.
In 5 years, our spread is $11,500. Once again, that's a minimum. It will be more like $13,000. That's why The Kiplinger Investment Group said the Volt will recoup ALL of the extra cost in about 5 to 6 years against a Cruze. Much less time when compared to a car with the same options.
Almost no maintenance. Did you know that my brakes will last about 150,000 miles? Why? The brakes aren't used until about 3 mph. That's called regenerative braking. The E motor stops the car. Oil changes are about every 2 years. There is no transmission to service. Only about 5 moving parts in the motor compared to well over 1000 in a simple gas motor.
Yeah, I'm a sucker. Sucker for return on my money.
Don't break your arm patting yourself on the back, you have less credibility now than before.

"SUCKER!!!!"

Volt owner? Perhaps. Credibility,none. The Volt does HAVE a transmission, it is used to move the car with the 10 million lines of code that make the vehicle work. The Volt works, all electric, electric with generator assist and direct engine lockup to front axle for speeds around 70 MPH and when the battery pack is drained to around 40% capacity. 2 years before an oil change will ruin the motor. The brakes might last 150,000 miles, IF the regeneration circuit doesn't break in which case you're back to finding qualified technicians to repair the vehicle. Of course when the vehicle is out of warranty, he gets to pay the full Monty for his "excellent" service. Yeah, I saved, I saved, I saved, OOooooopppps.
iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#49 Feb 2, 2013
Solarman wrote:
Here's the quote from Iluvmyvolt and the response from another thread:"iluvmyVolt wrote:
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My Volt gave me a 22% return the first year.$39,500 -$7,500 credit -.........
When you put the car in "R", the E motor runs backwards to make the car go backwards. A million lines of code?

Once again, you know nothing about these cars. There is no transmission. There is a planetary gear. A million lines of code?

The generator never hooks up to the E motors unless two things occur. 1. The car must be in gas mode. 2. The car must be traveling 70 mph or faster. The car never goes to gas mode until the 13 kwh's of battery capacity is used. Even at 100 mph.

http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternati...

The generator has systems that tell you when to change the oil. The recommended oil change is at 40% oil life left. I still have 95% oil life left after 15 months. Per the World Class Technician, not a problem. My car was just in the dealership for the 10,000 mile routine mtc. and the oil life was checked by the technician and he didn't change the oil.

The regenerative braking system is the electric motor. Diesel Electrics have been using this type of braking system for going down steep inclines for over 60 years. The technology is that old. It is called dynamic braking.

http://www.engineeringexpert.net/Engineering-...

Once again, you don't know as much as you think you do. Nice try though.

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Solarman

Twentynine Palms, CA

#50 Feb 2, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
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When you put the car in "R", the E motor runs backwards to make the car go backwards. A million lines of code?
Once again, you know nothing about these cars. There is no transmission. There is a planetary gear. A million lines of code?
The generator never hooks up to the E motors unless two things occur. 1. The car must be in gas mode. 2. The car must be traveling 70 mph or faster. The car never goes to gas mode until the 13 kwh's of battery capacity is used. Even at 100 mph.
http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/alternati...
The generator has systems that tell you when to change the oil. The recommended oil change is at 40% oil life left. I still have 95% oil life left after 15 months. Per the World Class Technician, not a problem. My car was just in the dealership for the 10,000 mile routine mtc. and the oil life was checked by the technician and he didn't change the oil.
The regenerative braking system is the electric motor. Diesel Electrics have been using this type of braking system for going down steep inclines for over 60 years. The technology is that old. It is called dynamic braking.
http://www.engineeringexpert.net/Engineering-...
Once again, you don't know as much as you think you do. Nice try though.
Perhaps YOU should read and comprehend the Motor trend article YOURSELF. A planetary gear set being controlled by computer IS an automatic transmission. It is 10 million lines of code not 1 million. A generator is nothing more than a motor being driven by another torque producing entity. In this case the anemic Premium fueled ICE. The "generator" doesn't make ANY decisions in the car's operation, the on board ECU running 10 million lines of code does. The PROBLEM "sweetie" is the shiney web pages YOU provide tell a different story than the lies you're trowelling out. Yeah, VFDs have been using your so called dynamic breaking for over 30 years. Most manufacturers also make their "dynamic breaking" circuit modular and easy to get to when they destruct. How easy is it to get to in "your" Volt? An ICE engine is an ICE engine. This oil life calculation does not take into consideration, condensation and loss of oil additive protection. YOUR world class technician will cost YOU money in the long run. Perhaps the technician needed an oil change in his vehicle, use the oil that would be used in YOUR vehicle and he'll catch you next time. Your becoming a running joke chief. When the lack of maintenance catches up to you it will be out of warranty. SUCKER!!!

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iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#51 Feb 3, 2013
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text>Perhaps YOU should read and comprehend the Motor trend article YOURSELF. A planetary gear set being controlled by computer IS an automatic transmission. It is 10 million lines of code not 1 million. A generator is nothing more than a motor being driven by another torque producing entity. In this case the anemic Premium fueled ICE. The "generator" doesn't make ANY decisions in the car's operation, the on board ECU running 10 million lines of code does. The PROBLEM "sweetie" is the shiney web pages YOU provide tell a different story than the lies you're trowelling out. Yeah, VFDs have been using your so called dynamic breaking for over 30 years. Most manufacturers also make their "dynamic breaking" circuit modular and easy to get to when they destruct. How easy is it to get to in "your" Volt? An ICE engine is an ICE engine. This oil life calculation does not take into consideration, condensation and loss of oil additive protection. YOUR world class technician will cost YOU money in the long run. Perhaps the technician needed an oil change in his vehicle, use the oil that would be used in YOUR vehicle and he'll catch you next time. Your becoming a running joke chief. When the lack of maintenance catches up to you it will be out of warranty. SUCKER!!!
There is no automatic transmission. There is only one gear. When the car is put into R, the E motor spins backwards. When the car is put into D or L, the motor spins forward. There is no shifting of gears, period.

The World Class Technicians are a LITTLE more knowledgeable about the Volt than you are. Obviously, you don't feel that way. There are only 100 World Class Technicians in the entire USA. You should volunteer and teach them a thing or two. I'm sure they will be very thankful.

The world renowned Society Of Automotive Engineers named the Volt "Best Engineered Car". Perhaps your beef is with them.

I am considering forwarding your comments to them. I'm sure they need a good laugh.

You're just another hater. I think you joined the bandwagon late. If you had been around a year ago, there would have been another 15 joining in with you. Now, you have a couple of kids playing on their parents computer backing you up.

The future is in your way. There are now a few manufacturers making series hybrids. They are all using the Volt technology. They include Jaguar, Mercedes Benz, BMW, Via Motors, and a couple of others. Were this technology so bad, would they join the bandwagon?

Oh, they are a bunch of idiots also, right?

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Solarman

Twentynine Palms, CA

#52 Feb 3, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
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There is no automatic transmission. There is only one gear. When the car is put into R, the E motor spins backwards. When the car is put into D or L, the motor spins forward. There is no shifting of gears, period.
The World Class Technicians are a LITTLE more knowledgeable about the Volt than you are. Obviously, you don't feel that way. There are only 100 World Class Technicians in the entire USA. You should volunteer and teach them a thing or two. I'm sure they will be very thankful.
The world renowned Society Of Automotive Engineers named the Volt "Best Engineered Car". Perhaps your beef is with them.
I am considering forwarding your comments to them. I'm sure they need a good laugh.
You're just another hater. I think you joined the bandwagon late. If you had been around a year ago, there would have been another 15 joining in with you. Now, you have a couple of kids playing on their parents computer backing you up.
The future is in your way. There are now a few manufacturers making series hybrids. They are all using the Volt technology. They include Jaguar, Mercedes Benz, BMW, Via Motors, and a couple of others. Were this technology so bad, would they join the bandwagon?
Oh, they are a bunch of idiots also, right?
ONCE again, the worse lie you tell is the one you tell yourself. The Volt does NOT have one gear, it has five gears, ring, sun, and four planet gears. This information is right out of the article from Motor trend, you know the link YOU sent to inform ME. Look at page 32 at the article entitled e-rev disambiguation. I'm not another hater, but you are another dumbazz. With 100 "special" technicians country wide, good luck in breaking down in one of those "special" towns. "SUCKER"

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iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#53 Feb 3, 2013
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text>ONCE again, the worse lie you tell is the one you tell yourself. The Volt does NOT have one gear, it has five gears, ring, sun, and four planet gears. This information is right out of the article from Motor trend, you know the link YOU sent to inform ME. Look at page 32 at the article entitled e-rev disambiguation. I'm not another hater, but you are another dumbazz. With 100 "special" technicians country wide, good luck in breaking down in one of those "special" towns. "SUCKER"
The gears you speak of are not for shifting to higher gears. They are for disengaging or engaging the smaller electric motor, depending on the load and speed. There is a large central sun gear turned by the 149 horsepower electric motor at all times. Around it is a planetary carrier which turns the wheels. When the car is in charge depleting mode, an outer ring is locked to the case. The engine and generator are disengaged.

There is no shifting of gears. The sun gear is in the planetary gear. The sun gear is turned by the big motor. The planetary spins the wheels. A direct connection between the E motor and the wheels. The big electric motor spins the wheels always. The electric motor drives the car smoothly from 0 to 100 without any shifting of gears. The gears you speak of change when the car needs assistance from the smaller electric motor and the generator.

THERE IS NO SHIFTING OF GEARS. Only shifting from 1 motor to 2 motors, etc. If you drive 40 mph in all electric, the gears never change until the battery is depleted.

WOW!!!

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iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#54 Feb 3, 2013
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text>ONCE again, the worse lie you tell is the one you tell yourself. The Volt does NOT have one gear, it has five gears, ring, sun, and four planet gears. This information is right out of the article from Motor trend, you know the link YOU sent to inform ME. Look at page 32 at the article entitled e-rev disambiguation. I'm not another hater, but you are another dumbazz. With 100 "special" technicians country wide, good luck in breaking down in one of those "special" towns. "SUCKER"
You may think I'm stupid when it comes to the Volt. Well, I am, compared to the brilliant engineers and technicians that developed the Voltec System and work on it.

That being said, your next complaint should be made to the following groups, because they think the Volt is an amazing car also. You should write to the following:

The Society Of Automotive Engineers for naming the Volt Best Engineered Car.

MotorTrend for naming the Volt Car Of The Year.

Automobile Magazine for naming the Volt Automobile of the Year.

MotorWeek for naming the Volt Driverís Choice Best of the Year

MotorWeek again for naming the Volt Best Eco-Friendly

The EPA for naming the Volt best efficient gasoline car 2011 & 2012

North American International Auto Show for naming the Volt 2011 North American Car of the Year

J.D. Powers and Associates Apeal Study for naming the Volt Highest rated compact 2011 & 2012

The Edison Group for giving the Volt the Edison Award

New York Auto Show for naming the Volt World Green Car

Consumor Reports for naming the Volt # 1 in owner satisfaction

Those idiot Europeans for naming the Volt European Car Of The Year - First American car ever to receive this award.

Switzerland for naming the Volt Swiss Car Of The Year

Denmark for naming the Volt Denmark Car of the Year

Diesel Car Publication for naming the Volt Best Eco Car

Engine Technology International magazine for giving the Volt the award for International Engine Of The Year Award. Green engine catagory.

US News for naming the Volt Best Upscale Midsize Car

What Car? Publication Buyers Guide for naming the Volt Best Alternative Fuel Car

The Automotive Applications Council of the Steel Market Development Institute for giving the Volt The Automotive Excellence Award

These are not all the awards. You probably didn't read all of these anyway.

My favorites are the real gear heads that love the Volt. Jay Leno, Jeff Gordon, Jimmie Johnson, Juan Pablo Montoya and others who know cars inside and out and use the Volt as their daily drivers.

If they are suckers, I am proud to be included with them.
Solarman

Twentynine Palms, CA

#55 Feb 3, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
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The gears you speak of are not for shifting to higher gears. They are for disengaging or engaging the smaller electric motor, depending on the load and speed. There is a large central sun gear turned by the 149 horsepower electric motor at all times. Around it is a planetary carrier which turns the wheels. When the car is in charge depleting mode, an outer ring is locked to the case. The engine and generator are disengaged.
There is no shifting of gears. The sun gear is in the planetary gear. The sun gear is turned by the big motor. The planetary spins the wheels. A direct connection between the E motor and the wheels. The big electric motor spins the wheels always. The electric motor drives the car smoothly from 0 to 100 without any shifting of gears. The gears you speak of change when the car needs assistance from the smaller electric motor and the generator.
THERE IS NO SHIFTING OF GEARS. Only shifting from 1 motor to 2 motors, etc. If you drive 40 mph in all electric, the gears never change until the battery is depleted.
WOW!!!
Yeah. WOW! Here let me put it into simple terms even an uninformed "VOLT owner" can understand. The motor generator thingy, is attached to the ring gear. The electric motor spins the sun gear thingy. The planet gear thingys drive the front axle through the planet gear carrier. Which set of gears are locked and which set of gears allowed to turn determines from where the power to the front axle is delivered. It is done through the ECU with some of those 10 million lines of code, and is AUTOMATIC. This information is right in the article YOU referred to in the December 2010 Motor Trend. Your not capable of reading or understanding the very links YOU supply. It's right in the constant whining from YOU,put it in L and blah, b-blah, b-blah..... It will Automatically switch from electric to generator assist, to full motor drive locked to the front axle for sustained high speed cruising. In the Motor Trend article it was driven up Big Tujunga Canyon in sport mode the car AUTOMATICALLY engaged the power reduced mode and the vehicle slowed down. Yeah you can overtax the whole drive system. MY point has ALWAYS BEEN people will not be happy with GMs claims if they have one of these types of drives that require a greater amount of torque to the ground. Driving up mountain roads, long jaunts on the freeway at over 65+ MPH.
Conservative

Santa Clara, CA

#56 Feb 5, 2013
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text>Yeah. WOW! Here let me put it into simple terms even an uninformed "VOLT owner" can understand. The motor generator thingy, is attached to the ring gear. The electric motor spins the sun gear thingy. The planet gear thingys drive the front axle through the planet gear carrier. Which set of gears are locked and which set of gears allowed to turn determines from where the power to the front axle is delivered. It is done through the ECU with some of those 10 million lines of code, and is AUTOMATIC. This information is right in the article YOU referred to in the December 2010 Motor Trend. Your not capable of reading or understanding the very links YOU supply. It's right in the constant whining from YOU,put it in L and blah, b-blah, b-blah..... It will Automatically switch from electric to generator assist, to full motor drive locked to the front axle for sustained high speed cruising. In the Motor Trend article it was driven up Big Tujunga Canyon in sport mode the car AUTOMATICALLY engaged the power reduced mode and the vehicle slowed down. Yeah you can overtax the whole drive system. MY point has ALWAYS BEEN people will not be happy with GMs claims if they have one of these types of drives that require a greater amount of torque to the ground. Driving up mountain roads, long jaunts on the freeway at over 65+ MPH.
There is no shifting of gears! There is no shifting of gears! The E motor and the wheels are in direct connection via the sun and planetary gears. That's why it is called a planetary gear. It goes around the sun gear. No mater if the generator or the smaller e motor are connected or disconnected, they only assist the big E motor in driving the front wheels. There is no shifting of gears. You said exactly what I told you before. Those other gears are only for engaging and disengaging the other motors. Wow. There is only one gear from 0 to 100. There is no shifting of gears. How many times does one have to tell you that?

And FYI, there are plenty of videos and pictures of the Volts going up the Rocky's. They go up better than 4 bangers and most 6 bangers.

What part of "electric motors are not effected by thin air" don't you understand? The generator only has to worry about providing enough electricity to the E motor. It does not have to worry about carrying the weight of the car up the mountain.

And FYI, that MotorTrend article has been put to rest by the engineers who built the Volt because the car was supposed to be in M-O-U-N-T-A-I-N M-O-D-E. Sheeeeesh ... you are grasping dude. They did not have the car in the right mode, and you even admit that.

Nice try though.
Solarman

Indio, CA

#57 Feb 5, 2013
Conservative wrote:
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There is no shifting of gears! There is no shifting of gears! The E motor and the wheels are in direct connection via the sun and planetary gears. That's why it is called a planetary gear. It goes around the sun gear. No mater if the generator or the smaller e motor are connected or disconnected, they only assist the big E motor in driving the front wheels. There is no shifting of gears. You said exactly what I told you before. Those other gears are only for engaging and disengaging the other motors. Wow. There is only one gear from 0 to 100. There is no shifting of gears. How many times does one have to tell you that?
And FYI, there are plenty of videos and pictures of the Volts going up the Rocky's. They go up better than 4 bangers and most 6 bangers.
What part of "electric motors are not effected by thin air" don't you understand? The generator only has to worry about providing enough electricity to the E motor. It does not have to worry about carrying the weight of the car up the mountain.
And FYI, that MotorTrend article has been put to rest by the engineers who built the Volt because the car was supposed to be in M-O-U-N-T-A-I-N M-O-D-E. Sheeeeesh ... you are grasping dude. They did not have the car in the right mode, and you even admit that.
Nice try though.
Once again IluvmyVolt you are lying. Pathetic, you claim to KNOW about the Volt because YOU own one, yeah, B.S. Chevy Volt owner's manual. Under Driving and Operating 9-24 item 5) Move the shift lever into the desired gear. Technical Data 12-3 under Engine Specifications. Electric drive unit (EDU) AUTOMATIC. Electric motors ARE affected by thin air. It has to do with heat transfer from the windings. Just because the Volt electric motor has a liquid cooled stator, thin air STILL affects the motor. The sun, ring, and plantary gears comprise the transmission assembly. You know, the unit that allows the car's front axel assembly to drive the car by either AUTOMATICALLY selecting electric motor, ICE generator assist or ICE drive only to the front wheels. Of course there's shifting of gears and it's done AUTOMATICALLY.
iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#58 Feb 6, 2013
Solarman wrote:
<quoted text>Once again IluvmyVolt you are lying. Pathetic, you claim to KNOW about the Volt because YOU own one, yeah, B.S. Chevy Volt owner's manual. Under Driving and Operating 9-24 item 5) Move the shift lever into the desired gear. Technical Data 12-3 under Engine Specifications. Electric drive unit (EDU) AUTOMATIC. Electric motors ARE affected by thin air. It has to do with heat transfer from the windings. Just because the Volt electric motor has a liquid cooled stator, thin air STILL affects the motor. The sun, ring, and plantary gears comprise the transmission assembly. You know, the unit that allows the car's front axel assembly to drive the car by either AUTOMATICALLY selecting electric motor, ICE generator assist or ICE drive only to the front wheels. Of course there's shifting of gears and it's done AUTOMATICALLY.
The Chevy Volt manual states "gear" to make it easy for people who don't want to be bothered with facts. Kind of like you. You can drive 100 mph in "L", all day long and it won't hurt the car. It is not a gear. It is another drive mode, controlled by software. Just like normal mode, sport mode or mountain mode. It is a mode that makes the regenerative actions of the E motor much more aggressive when the drivers foot is taken off the "gas" pedal. It is software. An explanation of driving in "L".

http://gm-volt.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-...

http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php...

When you put the car in "R", the E motor spins backwards. There is no reverse gear. It is software telling the E motor to spin backwards.

FYI, the ICE motor is never directly connected to the front wheels, except through two clutches, 2 electric motors and only during specific actions. Simply put, the small e motor connects to the big e motor via a clutch, when in EV mode and only during high load situations. The ICE motor is only connected to the small e motor via a clutch. That occurs when the car is in gas mode. When in gas mode and under 70 mph, ICE motor is connected to the small E motor via the clutch, which, in turn, sends power to the battery, which, in turn sends power to the big E motor. The clutch between the big and small e motors is open. The only time the ICE motor is in line with the big E motor is when in gas mode and a speed of higher than 70 mph is attained. The ICE motor is in line via the two clutches. Only the big e motor is directly attached to the wheels via the planetary gear set.

Here is a very basic explanation. Perhaps it is simple enough for you to understand. The ICE motor, and the small e motor are never connected to the wheels. You wrote "ICE drive only to the front wheels." Never. The ICE motor is not powerful enough to even move the car. The car weighs only 200 lbs. less than a Cadillac STS.



Once again, the small e motor and the ICE engine are never, but never connected to the wheels directly. Only via clutches. Only to the big E motor is directly connected to the wheels.

And as for the E motor not being effected by thin air. There are electric motors working in outer space, as we speak. Ever hear of satellites with solar panels? The Russians have been using electric motors in their satellites for years. I think that qualifies the electric motor as not being effected by thin air.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrically_pow...

Your problem is that you troll for negative web sites on the Volt. The fact that you found the article about the Volt having a problem because it was being driven in the mountains in sport mode instead of mountain mode proves it. Had to eat crow on that one too?

The fact that the manual says "gear" means nothing. It is there for soccer mom.

Nice try though.
Soalrman

La Quinta, CA

#59 Feb 7, 2013
iluvmyVolt wrote:
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The Chevy Volt manual states "gear" to make it easy for people who don't want to be bothered with facts. Kind of like you. You can drive 100 mph in "L", all day long and it won't hurt the car. It is not a gear. It is another drive mode, controlled by software. Just like normal mode, sport mode or mountain mode. It is a mode that makes the regenerative actions of the E motor much more aggressive when the drivers foot is taken off the "gas" pedal. It is software. An explanation of driving in "L".
http://gm-volt.com/forum/archive/index.php/t-...
http://gm-volt.com/forum/showthread.php...
When you put the car in "R", the E motor spins backwards. There is no reverse gear. It is software telling the E motor to spin backwards.
FYI, the ICE motor is never directly connected to the front wheels, except through two clutches, 2 electric motors and only during specific actions. Simply put, the small e motor connects to the big e motor via a clutch, when in EV mode and only during high load situations. The ICE motor is only connected to the small e motor via a clutch. That occurs when the car is in gas mode. When in gas mode and under 70 mph, ICE motor is connected to the small E motor via the clutch, which, in turn, sends power to the battery, which, in turn sends power to the big E motor. The clutch between the big and small e motors is open. The only time the ICE motor is in line with the big E motor is when in gas mode and a speed of higher than 70 mph is attained. The ICE motor is in line via the two clutches. Only the big e motor is directly attached to the wheels via the planetary gear set.
Here is a very basic explanation. Perhaps it is simple enough for you to understand. The ICE motor, and the small e motor are never connected to the wheels. You wrote "ICE drive only to the front wheels." Never. The ICE motor is not powerful enough to even move the car. The car weighs only 200 lbs. less than a Cadillac STS.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v =80E1fOp95rAXX
Once again, the small e motor and the ICE engine are never, but never connected to the wheels directly. Only via clutches. Only to the big E motor is directly connected to the wheels.
And as for the E motor not being effected by thin air. There are electric motors working in outer space, as we speak. Ever hear of satellites with solar panels? The Russians have been using electric motors in their satellites for years. I think that qualifies the electric motor as not being effected by thin air.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrically_pow...
Your problem is that you troll for negative web sites on the Volt. The fact that you found the article about the Volt having a problem because it was being driven in the mountains in sport mode instead of mountain mode proves it. Had to eat crow on that one too?
The fact that the manual says "gear" means nothing. It is there for soccer mom.
Nice try though.
Now, you've graduated to lying, "SUCKER". "Nice try though." You don't have a Volt, you never had a Volt and as for "trolling", troll on SUCKER.
iluvmyVolt

Santa Clara, CA

#60 Feb 7, 2013
Soalrman wrote:
<quoted text>Now, you've graduated to lying, "SUCKER". "Nice try though." You don't have a Volt, you never had a Volt and as for "trolling", troll on SUCKER.
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