First SAFE Act arrest made; man sells assault weapons to cop

Mar 15, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: democratandchronicle.com

A Chautauqua County man who sold two assault weapons to an undercover police investigator has become the state's first arrest for a violation of the NY SAFE Act.

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White Virus

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The_ Patriot_USA wrote:
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<quoted text>No injunction yet, Cuomo has until April 29th to prove that the SAFE ACT is constitutional. Cuomo has a BIG mountain climb to prove this one.

Then you write this:

Incorrect, the State has to show "good cause" which is not proof or evidence.
Case law will support the "Safe Act" and the States right to regulate how, where, when and what types of firearms it's citizens may own and possess. If you haven't been paying attention, several of the Safe Act suits have all ready been thrown out.

Which means you brain fart that you are saying that the state doesn't have to prove their case and show proof. You're wrong, the burden of proof is on the state to prove the SAFE ACT is constitutional.

"Burden of proof can define the duty placed upon a party to prove or disprove a disputed fact"

I'm done giving you free legal advice, next time it will be $ 250 an hour.
Dumbarse you trying to intertwine two legal phrases the have absolute distinct and separate meanings.

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Nice try turd.....keep trying and learn to read while your at it. And while your at it, learn the definition of "good cause". You might learn something.

$ 250 please.

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White Virus wrote:
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Dumbarse you trying to intertwine two legal phrases the have absolute distinct and separate meanings.
I am not for name calling because it shows unintelligence however "patriot" has been called out!
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Nice try turd.....keep trying and learn to read while your at it. And while your at it, learn the definition of "good cause". You might learn something.

$ 250 please.
Hey Ironside, you should learn the difference between a motion hearing and a trial........oh and I put the $250 in your wife's back pocket on the way out of the Gate's motel. Tell her same time next week.
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The people of New York are getting the laws they deserve with politicians like Cuomo, Wiener, Clinton, Bloomborg, et al. When the disarmed are marching toward the reeducation and work camps set up by the most gracious politicians there the people of New York will be appreciative.

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The average person knows gun reform isn't about disarming its citizens. I wish Congress would make this known. No one said anything about taking away handguns and many automatic weapons.

However, in America, where this great country's history is abhorrent yet glorious, we have this problem we face today.

The average citizen understands gun reform doesn't mean taking away your right to own a firearm however Congress and freed states can decide which firearms / bullets can be regulated.

If our country did not have so much horror, racism, and divide I would imagine reforms like this would be more understanding and accepted by its citizens.

Luckily, there are many citizens who believe in reform and will help to make it law once again.
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Interesting guy wrote:
The average person knows gun reform isn't about disarming its citizens. I wish Congress would make this known. No one said anything about taking away handguns and many automatic weapons.
However, in America, where this great country's history is abhorrent yet glorious, we have this problem we face today.
The average citizen understands gun reform doesn't mean taking
away your right to own a firearm however Congress and freed states can decide which firearms / bullets can be regulated.
If our country did not have so much horror, racism, and divide I would imagine reforms like this would be more understanding and accepted by its citizens.
Luckily, there are many citizens who believe in reform and will help to make it law once again.
You are as clueless as Feinstein!!!

The way our own government has been regularly stealing away our civil rights ... the people need to start fighting back at this terrible trend. Of all the rights we have, the second amendment puts teeth into all the others! We should be allowed to own ANY WEAPON THE GOVERNMENT OWNS!

The CIA/FBI are using spy drones here in America,(they used an unmanned drone to take out Chris Dorhnor).

Police have the ability to track our phones, and the CIA/FBI can turn our phones into bugs and listen to our conversations.

With all the technology that the police, ATF & other government agencies have at their disposal, telling “We the people” that we cannot have our large capacity magazines or pistol grips on our rifles is asinine!
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Here is a great example of how the 2nd Amendment works better than law enforcement.

Notice how this "Repeat Offender" won't offend anymore ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch...

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Interesting guy wrote:
The average person knows gun reform isn't about disarming its citizens. I wish Congress would make this known. No one said anything about taking away handguns and many automatic weapons.---*You are 100% wrong on this statement-look at what is in Finestine's bill.*---
*However, in America, where this great country's history is abhorrent yet glorious, we have this problem we face today.--* Again you are spewing progressive talking points.The problems are NOT the LEGAL gun owners,it is the ILLEGAL guns that are traded/sold on the streets everyday and the thugs that use them*--

The average citizen understands gun reform doesn't mean taking away your right to own a firearm however Congress and freed states can decide which firearms / bullets can be regulated.* Wrong again before I go into what you said you should read and understand the law called the Dick Law of 1902.Get back to us when you do*--
If our country did not have so much horror, racism, and divide I would imagine reforms like this would be more understanding and accepted by its citizens.* Again with the liberal/progressive talking points.Look at England and what has happened after they passed the gun control bill,which was a gun grab,crime rate has skyrocketed,they had to arm their Bobbies.The few people that has denfended their homes using a firearm have been arrested,locked up while the perp got little to no charges.Seems that unarmed citzenship works better for the thugs,not the victims.This is what the liberal/progressives like yourself want,right?*--
Luckily, there are many citizens who believe in reform and will help to make it law once again.--*Strange that the left is still pushing this lie every chance they get(MSM,DEMS,PROGRESSIVES,ECT. )while the polls do not reflect what you have spewed here,why?*
I posted the way I did so you or your anti-American friends could spin and acuse me of changing your words.Again check out the Dick Act of 1902 then tell us what is being pushed by Obama and his party isn't illegal.Thank you for your time,PP911.
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wasn't it illegal to sell a firearm to a known felon before the safe act existed

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<quoted text>I am not for name calling because it shows unintelligence however "patriot" has been called out!
Please !

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mike wrote:
wasn't it illegal to sell a firearm to a known felon before the safe act existed
Under the old laws it was illegal for a person convicted of a felony to own a firearm... and it was the buyer's responsibility to follow the law...

Under the new law...

A background check is required for the sale of any firearm except when the sale is between immediate family members... and the responsibility is on the seller's head - via the required background check - to make sure the buyer is allowed to purchase / own a firearm...
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<quoted text>You got no class
Thank you and Your Welcome.
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Ha Ha wrote:
Here is a great example of how the 2nd Amendment works better than law enforcement.
Notice how this "Repeat Offender" won't offend anymore ...
https://www.youtube.com/watch...
Here is another one ... If the Lamestream Media gave these stories as much attention as they do the Sandy Hook crap, the 2nd Amendment might not be up for so much debate.

https://www.youtube.com/watch...
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Oh great... this today:

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/21/17...

Short version in this paragraph from the article:

"In all, 85 illegal handguns and 230 rifles and shotguns were found, as well as thousands of rounds of ammunition."

That is the sort of tool we should all be angry at... because it's folks like him that the politicians are now pointing at as to why they think we need stricter gun laws in NY...

Btw and full disclosure...

Personally I'm not concerned about the new background checks and don't think they're such a bad idea... as opposed to the old way which meant - rely on the person that wasn't supposed to own guns to be honest...

But these stupid clip size laws and stuff like that... wt$ planet did that stuff come from ?!
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Vallum wrote:
Oh great... this today:
http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/03/21/17...
Short version in this paragraph from the article:
"In all, 85 illegal handguns and 230 rifles and shotguns were found, as well as thousands of rounds of ammunition."
That is the sort of tool we should all be angry at... because it's folks like him that the politicians are now pointing at as to why they think we need stricter gun laws in NY...
Btw and full disclosure...
Personally I'm not concerned about the new background checks and don't think they're such a bad idea... as opposed to the old way which meant - rely on the person that wasn't supposed to own guns to be honest...
But these stupid clip size laws and stuff like that... wt$ planet did that stuff come from ?!
The only reason that those 85 antique handguns were "illegal" is because this citizen didn't ask the corrupt government for permission to exercise his Constitutional right to own them.

This man is not a criminal.

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The only reason that those 85 antique handguns
If you look up his name and other stories on it... they show pictures of the handguns he had - and they are NOT antiques.

The problem is that he did not have a pistol permit AND was in possession of dozens of hand guns AND his FFL had lapsed AND it wasn't like it lapsed last year - it was 9 years ago.

So -imho- the guy is an idiot and making bad press for everyone... which gives the politicians more ammo for their strange new laws...

Again - there is a lot about the new laws that I just find strange...

- the new clip sizes...

- background checks starting next year for buying ammo ( a lot of times I pick up ammo for everyone when we go target shooting - quite a few rounds - so now I'm going to have to tell everyone they've got to do it themselves )...

- no telescoping stocks because evidently that has nothing to do with sharing a rifle with someone that is a different build / size than you...

- no folding stocks... just to make the darn things harder to transport / fit any case you might already have... and what makes this one kind of stupid is seeing as handgrips are no longer allowed... think about it...

- no bayonet mount because we all know that's the big problem with assault rifles... folks going around and stabbing with them...

Oh well...
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Vallum wrote:
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If you look up his name and other stories on it... they show pictures of the handguns he had - and they are NOT antiques.
The problem is that he did not have a pistol permit AND was in possession of dozens of hand guns AND his FFL had lapsed AND it wasn't like it lapsed last year - it was 9 years ago.
So -imho- the guy is an idiot and making bad press for everyone... which gives the politicians more ammo for their strange new laws...
Again - there is a lot about the new laws that I just find strange...
- the new clip sizes...
- background checks starting next year for buying ammo ( a lot of times I pick up ammo for everyone when we go target shooting - quite a few rounds - so now I'm going to have to tell everyone they've got to do it themselves )...
- no telescoping stocks because evidently that has nothing to do with sharing a rifle with someone that is a different build / size than you...
- no folding stocks... just to make the darn things harder to transport / fit any case you might already have... and what makes this one kind of stupid is seeing as handgrips are no longer allowed... think about it...
- no bayonet mount because we all know that's the big problem with assault rifles... folks going around and stabbing with them...
Oh well...
Fair enough... I don't know for a fact that they were antiques, but a friend of mine knows him and told me that a lot of them were.

In any event, the real idiots are the people lining up to give away our Constitutional rights... rights that most people around the wold would LOVE to have.

Disarming citizens has ALWAYS led to atrocities. This will be no different. To all of you pro-gun control people reading this... history will remember YOU as the traitors.

That's a fact.

If you want to live somewhere where guns are illegal, move to Chicago. Guns are illegal there. Sure, you're far more likely to get shot there... but at least you'll be living in a childish, idealistic common-sense free zone as well as a gun free zone.

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Fair enough... I don't know for a fact that they were antiques, but a friend of mine knows him and told me that a lot of them were.
I'm going to stand by the rest of what I said but...

Considering he did have an FFL and so on... and realizing that the folks I know that currently sell and smith and how they collect - especially customs and antiques... it wouldn't surprise me if some of his were also... since the pictures I've did show a couple dozen from what I could see but that is kinda short of 87 or whatever it was reported...

Speaking of which...

It sounds like the guy was running a shop out his house... and I wonder how many of the handguns / rifles / whatever seized might have belonged to legally licensed / legitimate owners... and out of those - if they'll be able to get their property back or if everything is now permanently seized and never to be returned ?

I mean what is a person to do because it seems like it would be a lose - lose situation... go to the authorities with your paperwork and try to retrieve and get stuck in the middle of the whole mess... or report it as "stolen" which btw is required to be done under the new laws within 24 hours... lol

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