Alcoholics Anonymous: Some Of Us (rev...

Alcoholics Anonymous: Some Of Us (revised)

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Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#1 Feb 20, 2014
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SOME OF US

“With all the earnestness at our command, we beg of you to be fearless and thorough from the very start. Some of us have tried to hold onto our old ideas and the result was nil until we let go absolutely…Half measures availed us nothing…We asked His protection and care with complete abandon. Here are the steps we took….”
-(Alcoholics Anonymous ‘How It Works’ absolutism recited at the beginning of AA meetings)

‘How It Works’ implies the majority of Alcoholics Anonymous members have let go of their “old ideas”(original sin in religious terms) absolutely when stating “Some of us have tried to hold onto our old ideas and the result was nil until we let go absolutely”. However, Appendix II,[AA Big Book; 3rd Ed.], explains how many are relieved to find a sudden religious experience (like Bill W.’s) was unnecessary to successfully work the steps, that “Most of our experiences are what the psychologist William James calls the ‘educational variety’ because they develop slowly over a period of time”, etc. Thus, most of us are “some of us” and not “we” who “beg of you”(to be absolutist in a guilt inducing manner).
For to fulfill such imperatives as letting go absolutely with no old ideas remaining, etc. is to live in perfect communion with God perennially. Therefore, a daily 3rd step (surrender to God) would not only be absolutely unnecessary but a misnomer: If old ideas have crept back in at any point following having let go absolutely, requiring another letting go, one hasn’t let go absolutely to begin with. Absolutely means absolutely, particularly in the context “half measures availed us nothing” and “the result was nil until…”, thereby rendering a daily 10th step [moral inventory] moot as well since there would be no faults (sins) to tally.
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#2 Feb 20, 2014
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Caveats following after, seeming to rescind the absolutism, actually do not rescind it (caveat here to mean “1b an explanation to prevent misunderstanding”; Webster’s New International). The absolutism has already been established imperative thus cannot be annulled. So the caveat emphasizing progress not perfection is by then a moot point. Another caveat,“We are not cured of alcoholism. What we have is a daily reprieve contingent upon the maintenance of our spiritual condition”(p.85) means old ideas have not been let go of absolutely, their return requiring daily maintenance. But since this is half-measures and the result is nil, why bother? Legalism has already been planted in one’s mind, quite likely inciting unconscious rebellion.
Appendix II:“Though it was not our intention to create such an impression, many alcoholics have nevertheless concluded that in order to recover they must acquire an immediate and overwhelming ‘God consciousness’ followed at once by a vast change in feeling and outlook”.
Alcoholics concluding that show the caveats haven’t rescinded the absolutism. Resulting in an enigmatic dichotomy of “God conscious” members appearing “happy, joyous and free”--having fulfilled the imperatives purportedly-- and “half measures” members chronically aware of not having done so. False guilt is the consequence that can lead an alcoholic back to drinking, or to seek oblivion through myriad forms in order to assuage a troubled conscience.“Strait is the gate and few there be that find it” or “Beware the Pharisees”?
Furthermore, Appendix II granting the steps are a learning process and not an event appears inconsistent.“Here are the steps we took”, not “Here are the steps we are taking over the span of a lifetime”. Moreover,“If you want what we have and are willing to go to any lengths to get it” not “If you want what we are gradually getting over a lifetime of working the steps and are willing to go to any lengths to get that which we are ever so gradually getting through a learning process”. And, forthwith,“To show other alcoholics precisely how we have recovered is the main purpose of this book”(Forward to Big Book; 1st Ed.); i.e.“Our stories disclose in a general way what it was like, what happened, and what it’s like now”. Finally,“Having had a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps”, not otherwise, we thence commenced compelling newcomers to get on their knees in our presence when turning their lives and wills over to the care of God as we understood Him.
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#3 Feb 20, 2014
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That’s what Dr. Bob did, beginning a custom AA sponsors (“spiritual advisors”) continue today worldwide [even though the Big Book instructs differently; p. 63]. Ebby T. hadn’t required Bill W. to get on his knees; Bill W. hadn’t required Dr. Bob to get on his knees; it had only involved one alcoholic sharing with another on a mutual basis reportedly. But because Dr. Bob “always emphasized the religious angle very strongly when working with others”(Big Book; p.292; 3rd Ed.), and worked in collusion with local judges court ordering people to attend AA, this custom epitomizes Oliver Cromwell coercion more so than a “voluntary program” of “attraction not promotion”[see AA pamphlet ‘It Sure Beats Sitting in a Cell’]. Far more severe laws are needed to deter drunk driving; the carnage continues despite decades of court ordered AA.
Although AA states it is spiritual and not religious, its ‘AA Comes of Age’ includes doctors William D. Silkworth and Harry M. Tiebout depicting a religious context:“…under these conditions the patient turns to religion with an entire willingness and readily accepts, without reservation, a simple religious proposal”(italics added); “Considering the presence of the religious factor”; “Because of this initial confidence, identical experience, and the fact that the discussion is pitched on moral and religious grounds…”; “…it is paramount to note that the religious factor is all important even from the beginning…”; “Alcoholics Anonymous is the name applied to a group of ex-alcoholics who, through a therapeutic program which a definite religious element…”; “…found an answer to his drinking problem in a personal religious experience”[pgs. 304-309]. And Harry Emerson Fosdick’s favorable review of AA’s Big Book (1st Ed.) states:“The core of their whole procedure is religious”.
The prima facie acceptance is the answer to all of my problems today, and if I am disturbed for any reason it is because there is something the matter with me for failing to accept life on life’s terms, places the onus squarely on the individual for their suffering (p.449, Big Book, 3rd Ed.). As does AA making it very clear one’s own self-will is to blame for one’s problems: Our troubles were of our own making. They arise out of our selves. We stepped on the toes of our fellows and they retaliated. After all, our problems were of our own making. But it is clear that we made our own misery. God didn’t do it…Similar to Emmet Fox’s ‘Sermon on the Mount’, influential to AA and provided to newcomers preceding publishing of the Big Book. At the end of Chapter 2, Fox blames Christian martyrs for their own martyrdom. Fox taught had the Christian martyrs only loved their enemies better they would not have been killed. It was their fault for failing to have a sufficient understanding of Truth (Scientific Christianity).
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#4 Feb 20, 2014
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Apparently Fox had misconstrued OT proverb 16:7—when a man’s ways please the Lord he makes even his enemies to be at peace with him—applying it absolutely in blaming the martyr’s. Jesus’ ways pleased the Lord, yet his enemies crucified him; Martin Luther King Jr. preached and lived love, yet he was shot to death. Had King failed to love his enemies sufficiently, thereby to blame for his murder? No. Interesting AA sees nothing wrong with Fox blaming the martyrs. Evidently, if you work AA’s program you demonstrate the promises and do not play the victim. In AA tough love parlance:‘No whining”. Christian religion, on the other hand, teaches if you actuate God’s will not only may you produce fruit of the Spirit--love, joy, peace, gentleness, goodness, faith--you may incur tribulation in this world as well; long suffering is also a fruit of the Spirit (Gal. 5:22). So if one is disturbed, like Christ suffering in the flesh perhaps (1 Peter 4:12), it could be indication they are actually doing God’s will. Chekhov’s ‘Ward 6’:“But what about Christ? Christ responded to reality by weeping, smiling, grieving, being angry, and even feeling miserable. He didn’t go forth to meet suffering with a smile…”
Regarding Ebby, Bill and Dr. Bob, none had let go absolutely: Ebby T. drank again. Bill W. had a sudden religious experience removing his desire to drink, followed by his working the steps, yet shared of suffering waves of self-pity and resentment throughout his first two years of sobriety. Bill W.’s “dry drunk” periods later led to his (and wife Lois, Father Dowling, and other AA’s) using LSD in sobriety, believing it to improve the alcoholics relationship with God by removing self—ego—and making room for God [see AA’s ‘Pass It On’]. Dr. Bob fought cravings for alcohol his first year and a half of sobriety, cravings that continued after he had worked the steps (they were 6 steps back then). So, being mortal men, the co-founders of Alcoholics Anonymous had not let go absolutely [see online ‘Forgetting Reinhold Niebuhr’; New York Times; 9/18/2005—Niebuhr was a Protestant theologian and author of the Serenity Prayer; AA later began using the prayer at the beginning of its meetings]. Finally, Jesus Christ did not let go absolutely when baptized by John or else he wouldn’t have struggled in the Garden of Gethsemane (Matt 26:36-46 KJV); Jesus did not let go absolutely until saying “It is finished” on the Cross (John 19:30 KJV).
“The basenesses so commonly charged to religions accounts are thus, almost all of them, not chargeable at all to religion proper, but rather to religion’s wicked practical partner, the spirit of corporate dominion.”
William James ‘The Varieties of Religious Experience’

1. Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc.
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#5 Feb 20, 2014
It's a bit scrunched up but that's the latest revision. Post #3 is not appearing at the moment; sometimes posts disappear here, so that's why they are numebred. If there are not 4 of them in succession, Some Of Us is not shown in full.
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#7 Feb 20, 2014
Been viewing this for past two months or so--one of the funnest videos happened to find so far on YouTube; only 176 views, I think I'm one of the few people that know about it. It's awesome! Cracks me up every time...

Audrey Arno - Quand Tu Me Fais La Tête .

video by Elo Dali·
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#8 Feb 20, 2014
Ooops.. that's Audrey Arno - Quand Tu Me Fais La Tete (it came out messed up on last post for some reason)
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#9 Feb 20, 2014
Here's one more of Audrey (at San Remo 1965); this one cracks me up also:

Prima o poi - Audrey - 1965 .

video by Festivalsanremobdj·
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#10 Feb 20, 2014
1965 Saremo aslo had Gigliola Cinquetti's great "Ho Bisogno" performance; here's one more funny one of Audrey's:

Audrey Arno - Le Mal de leur 20 ans (1964).

video by Curtis Hayden
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#11 Feb 21, 2014
LOL! Just found this one...a very fun sounding song of Christine Delaroche, found it a couple years ago on YouTube. Now this video shows her singing the song. Too bad it's only under a minute. Hard not to laugh when viewing it:

Christine Delaroche - Les tigres et les minets (1967).

video by MrNonosse1
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#12 Feb 21, 2014
Just found this as well...hadn't known of this singer before, sounds fabulous....looks like this might be a pop version of a classical standard? Great album cover too...

Christine Lebail - Toi, Chopin (1965).

video by cinnamonK·
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#13 Feb 21, 2014
This one shows Christine Lebail singing about butterflies; excellent:

Christine Lebail "La chasse aux papillons" .

video by Ina Chansons
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#14 Feb 22, 2014
Christine Lebail - La Permission De Minuit (1964).

video by cinnamonK·280 videos

--Very enjoyable, Christine Lebail; brings to mind Chantel Kelly.
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#15 Feb 22, 2014
Ooops...Chantal Kelly (not Chantel Kelly); Chantal has some really funny videos.
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#16 Feb 22, 2014
Forgot how funny this was...hadn't viewed it in quite a long time:

Chantal Kelly en tve (1)- Caribou.avi .

video by copilunio·
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#17 Feb 22, 2014
Christine LeBail's appearance brings to mind Chantal Kelly, and her voice brings to mind Anne Marie Nebot.
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#18 Feb 22, 2014
Here's another really nice sounding one of Christine LeBail's:

Christine Lebail - Prendre le vent (1971)
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#19 Feb 23, 2014
Not a huge Beatles fan, but listen to what Michele Torr does with a song of theirs; fantastic album cover--love the blue color--and have to say after over five years of viewing Youtube videos, Michele Torr is my favorite of all (her Eurovision "Ce Soir Je T'Attendais" especially):

Michele Torr - Et Je L'Aime .

video by noma35·152 videos
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#20 Feb 25, 2014
Enjoying Christine LeBail videos; her voice is very melodious; this is one of her French ye-ye videos--it's really good:

Christine Lebail - Les livres d'école (1965).

video by MrNonosse1·
Chris Deile

Anderson, CA

#21 Feb 25, 2014
Ooops...that should be Christine LeBail Les livres d'ecole (1965)

--not sure why it comes out messed up like that sometimes...

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