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Chris Deile

Jackson, WY

#1 Aug 28, 2013
South Carolina city makes being homeless illegal
By Barnini Chakraborty
Published August 28, 2013
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Homeless people eat food donated by a charity organization called .Reuters
WASHINGTON – South Carolina’s capital city is dishing out some southern discomfort following a controversial decision to criminalize its homeless.
On Aug. 13, the Columbia City Council approved a plan that effectively makes homelessness illegal in parts of the city. The proposal forces those who sleep outdoors to be sent to a shelter on the outskirts of town. Those who don’t comply will be rounded up and forced to leave or sent to the slammer.
“It’s basically a choice between two kinds of jail,” Jake Maguire, spokesman for Community Solutions’ 100,000 Homes Campaign, told .“There’s jail and then there’s the shelter.”
He added,“Once you get there, you can’t come and go. You are basically brought to a place where you are expected to stay. If you want to go back downtown, you have to get approval for them to shuttle you back.”
But Councilman Cameron Runyan, the man behind the proposal, believes moving Columbia’s homeless shelter 15 miles from the city’s downtown area can cut crime and draw in more businesses and opportunities.
“If we don’t take care of this big piece of our community and our society, it will erode the entire foundation of what we’re trying to build in this city,” Runyan told the council.“What I see is a giant risk to business.”
Under Runyan’s “Emergency Homeless Response” plan, homeless-looking people in the city’s 36-block downtown district will be asked by police to move to a shelter on the outskirts of the Columbia. If a person refuses, they could be arrested on a range of public nuisance laws.
Once at the shelter, the only way to leave is by reserving a shuttle ride. To make sure the homeless don’t return, a police officer will be stationed on the road leading to the downtown district to keep the homeless away.
The plan has received support from Columbia’s business leaders who say the city’s homeless problem has been their eroding economic opportunities for decades.
“As small business owners on Main Street, we see firsthand how the homeless crisis is affecting the city,” Jessica and Joe Kastiner, owners of Paradise Ice, told the city council.“Please think of the everyday citizens, the revitalization of Columbia and the safety of everyone.”
Columbia attorney Eric Bland agrees.
“The history of the homeless situation in our city is filled with empty promises, confusing rhetoric and lack of accountability,” Bland told city officials.“I will be there every step of the way to support this most worthy plan.”
Runyan believes he’s giving the city’s homeless options but Maguire and others believe his plan is flawed because it does not address the root causes of homelessness, tackle permanent solutions or accurately weigh the economic impacts of shuttling the homeless to shelters instead of securing permanent housing.
On average, permanent supportive housing – which includes an apartment and services like rehabilitation – costs around $16,000-$18,000 a year. To keep a person at a shelter for a year costs $22,000, Maguire said.
Maria Foscarinis, the executive director of the National Law Center on Homelessness and Poverty, called Columbia’s plan “an extreme, highly disturbing example.”

Chris Deile

Jackson, WY

#2 Aug 28, 2013
But Columbia is not alone. This summer, Portland, Ore., and Tampa, Fla., also initiated steps to boot out their homeless.
Portland’s Mayor Charlie Hales announced last month he was fed up with the growing number of homeless people camped outside the steps of City Hall and vowed to use the law to crack down on the practice. Portland prohibits “camping” on public property.
Last week, five homeless residents were rounded up and arrested, and the mayor’s office says that’s just the beginning.
Following those arrests, Portland police promised to start rigorously enforcing the city’s camping ban everywhere. There are an estimated 1,700 homeless in Portland.
Dana Haynes, a spokesman for Hales, said the city is arming Portland police with a list of places where the homeless are known to sleep or “camp” at night.
The Tampa City Council passed a new ordinance 4-3 in July that would allow police officers to arrest anyone they see sleeping in public or “storing personal property in public.”
According to a 2012 homeless study by the U.S. Department of Housing and Urban Development, five states account for nearly half of the nation’s total homeless population. They are: California, New York, Florida, Texas and Georgia.
The 2012 Point-in-Time Estimates of Homelessness study also found that among mid-sized cities, Tampa and its surrounding area had the highest number of homeless individuals at 7,419.
During the 1990s, then New York City Mayor Rudolph Giuliani planned to remove homeless people from shelters if they refused to work. New York City cops also started handing out $76 citations to the homeless who “camped in public.”
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Chris Deile

Jackson, WY

#3 Aug 28, 2013
This is very real! Colorado springs several years ago made it illegal to camp anywhere within city limits as well--homeless must stay in the shelter.

Union Gospel Mission director in Bellingham, Wa in 2009, at a City Council meeting I was in attendance at as well, called from the podium (during public comment) to get the homeless off the streets, out of the libraries, and into a day center by day and the UGM by night. Forced removal from society. I objected to his comments in a letter published in the weekly newspaper there.

Police harass me everywhere I go for sleeping in my van. Neighborhood residents are aggressive in calling police when they see someone sleeping in their vehicle. Weeks ago, in Vancouver, WA I was parked legally in a secluded spot on the edge of a subdivision near a high school track (across the street). Neighbors coming in and out of the subdivision called the police on me three nights out of about 5 or 6. Woken up, ID'd, told they resdients did not want me there.

Note: I was parked legally--the signs said only no parking during school hours 8a-4p.(something like that--forget details now but even police agreed when i showed them the sign right by where I was parked that it was legal to park there overnight, and it was summertime--no school yet. That was Salmon Creek, Vancouver, WA. Police advised me to go to Portland even though my drivers license is WA.
Chris Deile

Jackson, WY

#4 Aug 28, 2013
And I was very quiet--pulled up, parked, turned off engine, climbed in back to sleep. Woken by police usually around 2:30a. or so.

1.3 centimeter nodule on left lung "slowly enlarging"; that was 2011; pulmonologist recommended surgery to have section of lung removed, etc., etc.

This is very real--the U.S. is fast becoming fascist in a way we have never seen before. Materialism that has no reason to value human life (poor people).
Chris Deile

Jackson, WY

#5 Aug 28, 2013
Also, the first night the police woke me up in Salmon Creek they gave me address of Housing Authority. Went there next day: Vancouver Housing Authority no longer even has a list for housing to get on --they closed it in 2006!

When in Bellingham, soon after that UGM director called for removal of homeless, the Bellingham Herald reported Whatcom County (Bellingham) had just received $11 million of federal money from Obama for homelessness. 3-4 months later their Housing Authority changed their list from a 2-3 year wait for housing to a 3-5 year wait. Where did that money go? Their Section 8 housing list (federal) was closed in August of 2008.

There is a deliberate denial of housing in this country; it has been deliberate for many decades to deny housing to a percentage of the populace.

The solution is housing
Chris Deile

Jackson, WY

#6 Aug 28, 2013
Reinhold Niebuhr in 'The Irony of American History' in which he argues against communism throughout the book, also says something to the effect (exact quote not with me now but have it in a notebook) that capitalism is the most potent evil.

That is increasingly apparent. This article in Fox News today is a real wake up call. Not to even mention our foreign policies and talk of war now with Syria. Tax revenue from marijuana? WA legalizing it for the tax money, yet Vancouver is one of their main cities and they've closed the housing list. Won't be going there....see Noam Chomsky Understanding Power chapter 10 footnote 26 wherein he shows the absymal U.S. tax and transfer rate in reducing poverty--the U.S. is amongst the lowest of all industrialized countries. Means there is no justification for more taxes if humanitarianism is to be valued.
Chris Deile

Jackson, WY

#7 Aug 28, 2013
Where are the Libertarians? Not a word from them. While U.S. citizens lose practically every freedom they know. The article explains anyone "homeless looking" will be rounded up. At the shelter..."the only way to leave is by reserving a shuttle ride". How long might that reservation list be if there are hundreds of homeless? This makes me sick to my stomach.


Since: Mar 11

Rockin' USA ;)

#8 Aug 29, 2013
Send BILLIONS of dollars to Foreign Countries WHO Hate Us..

BUT...NO DECENT SHELTERS to SPEAK shelter those WHO lost their jobs... to CHINA!!!

BUT, ILLEGALS are WELCOMED into this Country and TREATED like ROYALTY!!!

Chris Deile

Jackson, WY

#9 Aug 29, 2013
Correction: The Noam Chomsky quote above is from Chapter 10 footnote 28 (not 26)(Understanding Power):

...."the U.S. tax and transfer system creates a 28.5 percent reduction in the poverty rate whereas the tax and transfer systems in all other industrialized countries decrease poverty rates by between 60 and 80 percent the only exceptions being Britain, Australia, and Canada, whose tax and transfer programs still reduce poverty rates by appx. 50 percent".
Chris Deile

Jackson, WY

#10 Aug 29, 2013
The Reinhold Niebuhr quote is either from 'The Irony of American History' or 'The Nature and Destiny of Man; Vol. 2'(Must have lost the page in my notebook telling which book it was from but have the exact quote and page #):

"...Since capitalism is regarded as the root of all injustice--rather than what it is in fact, the most potent source of economic injustice in contemporary society." P.91

Niebuhr also wrote:

"The fact that all life in its givenness and in its variety is irrational, and that mind and reason are too much the frail flowers which grow upon the stem of this organic life to be able to transcend it completely, invalidates all this rational utopianism...." P.152

So its not a utopian society that's needed--simply housing within an economically unjust society.
Chris Deile

Jackson, WY

#11 Aug 29, 2013
Coincidence? I don't think so. But I was just woken up by Jackson police this morning and told it is illegal for me to sleep in my van. This after writing the above posts yesterday. Spoke with police chief down at City Hall, explained to him I do not understand the need to move someone on when they are not disturbing the peace--simply sleeping quietly. Shared with him of WA police running me out of Salmon Creek, Vancouver, WA (above) even though I was parked legally. He replied the neighbors have a right to quality of life in insisting they don't want the poor living among them.

How much quality is there in a life that cannot find happiness unless the very existence of poor people is deemed detrimental?

He kept bringing up the point I was not cited or arrested and that I'm not in jail right now. As though I should be grateful, as a U.S. citizen with no criminal record, to be allowed freedom from imprisonment. Like I said in previous post--fast becoming fascist right before our very eyes.
Chris Deile

Jackson, WY

#12 Aug 29, 2013
Niebuhr also refers to the U.S. plutocratic oligarchy (government controlled by the wealthy) as a threat to its democracy. That was over 50 years ago. Still applies of course, yet the plutocracy has only grown stronger over time.
Chris Deile

Jackson, WY

#13 Aug 29, 2013
Thank goodness there's access to YouTube still....

Just found this one; it's pretty good:

Dori Ghezzi Ma Chi è Che Cos'è Video & Audio Restaurati HD

video by flaniman2
Chris Deile

Jackson, WY

#14 Aug 29, 2013
W/out going into abortion issue, this rounding up is synonymous with the sociological definition of eugenics....a quote attributed to Margaret Sanger--founder of Planned Parenthood--refers to the weak and the unfit as an unnecessary burden on society. That's exactly how the poor are considered when rounded up and *not allowed to leave* (unless they have a reservation on the shuttle bus into town).
Chris Deile

Jackson, WY

#15 Aug 29, 2013
American Eugenics Society founded in 1920's preceded Nazi Germany (and Margaret Sanger); founded in part by Rockefeller and Carnegie.


Since: Mar 11

Rockin' USA ;)

#16 Sep 1, 2013

Businesses shouldn't have left America for CHEAP Labor in CHINA. INDIA and anywhere ELSE..

CITIES should BUDGET their Funds as to NOT go BANKRUPT!!!

Think we GOT a Homeless Problem NOW??

Wait until..OBAMA CARE Kicks in..Ya got an X-TRA $200 in your part-time, Disability OR Unemployment Check???
Chris Deile

Idaho Falls, ID

#17 Sep 3, 2013
Another great one by Miranda Martino:

Stringiti alla mia mano

video by 4gabbiano

--another video shows Miranda Martino singing, though it's quite strange at first--took a little getting used to; under one of the videos a comment explains:

"...this is what 'Stringiti alla mia mano' means: title: Hold to my hand... Hold my hand and the peace I will give to you

see that bright light in the sky?

we'll get there together.

We'll walk alone and I'll find the way

we'll get to that light together

and then God will talk to us

Only the two of us together

nothing will stop us

and just like in a dream

we'll keep on walking.
Chris Deile

Idaho Falls, ID

#18 Sep 3, 2013
Another comment gives a little different translation:

Cling to my hand I'll give you peace See shine a light in the sky From her I'll take you. Alone, alone we will be, I'll find the way that light will guide us in heaven and God will speak to us. Suns of between strelle nothing will stop us and we will walk in a dream Allor.
Chris Deile

Idaho Falls, ID

#19 Sep 3, 2013
Yeah, that's a strange one--two choices from the videos available--one with some sort of Neil Sedaka shrine (lol) and the others have a skull underneath. That's why the one where Miranda Martino is singing was hard at first to view--their outfits are dark and what with that skull...but it's still a great video--very much enjoy viewing Miranda Martino singing the song...and it sounds like an extremely beautiful song/lyrics ("stringiti alla mia mano").
Chris Deile

Idaho Falls, ID

#20 Sep 4, 2013
The video showing Miranda Martino singing stringiti alla mia mano for some reason brings to mind Karamzin ("Poor Liza"; "Island of Borneholm"; "Julia", etc.).

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