Scouts may lift ban on gays

Jan 29, 2013 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: The Indianapolis Star

The Boy Scouts of America is considering lifting its ban on gay Scouts and troop leaders, but to what extent the decision would have an impact in Indiana is unclear.

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Yes, I know dear. It's not just history for me. I was there. Remember?
I was just continuing the discussion for those following along. We might know the history of what we are talking about, but not everybody else does.

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<quoted text>I was just continuing the discussion for those following along. We might know the history of what we are talking about, but not everybody else does.
Sorry. I'm so accustomed (habituated) to conflict on these threads that it's difficult sometimes to just settle down and play nicely.

I need to ignore trolls ... and any replies to them.
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"Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that He loved us, and gave His son to be the propitiation for our sins."
(1 John 4:10, Holy Bible)

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Papaw wrote:
Wrong!!!!!
It's amazing how many people tell me that around here. One of these days one of you are actually going to prove it. Let's see how you do., shall we?
Papaw wrote:
They never were hetero/homo, just a pseudo hetero/homo.
Not the best of starts on the whole wrong thing. Sorry, but one is hetero/homosexual or at some point in between long before one screws up ones mind with such unfortunately learned obsessions and that orientation doesn't gone away when you stray outside it.
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They were always child molesters who either hid or denied their sexual choices.
Sexual choices, yes, sexual orientation, no. Of course they hide their choices, because most of them are deservedly illegal because they harm the objects of their affectations. If one is going to choose the path towards "homosexual pedophilia", what better way to hide their sexual choices than with their adult heterosexual sexual orientation? Like I said before, look at the Jerry Sandusky case. He got away with it for so long because he was so heterosexual. He expressed absolutely no interest in same sex adults, despite ample opportunities to do so. This is a man who was a college coach for ages and yet not one report of a butt slap that lingered on too long for comfort or inappropriate look in the showers. His obsession was for little boys, his sexual orientation was only towards women. The perfect cover.
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Just because they didn't act on those impulses for a length of time doesn't make them temporarily hetero/homo.
Again, no ones sexual orientation goes away when they are on their little side trips into the delusional and dangerous.
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By your logic they were never pedo until one day voila! they acted on molesting a child and temporarily became a pedo.
Despite claims to the contrary, no one has ever proved that the sexual attraction towards children is anything more than a learned behavior. No one is born to be a pedophile, something goes wrong along the way to make it seem to be a perfectly reasonable idea. But once someone gets that idea, it's harder than hell to get rid of, especially if they have been acting on it. It also doesn't go away, even when you are doing your best to hide it from everybody else. It isn't a temporary insanity, sadly, for most it remains fairly permanent and in constant need of watching over.
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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text> The ban serves no purpose other than to affirm people's seriously ugly bigotries against gay folk. Shame on them and you.
My ugly bigotries? Like, how I believe that they should be allowed in the military? Or how I agree that they should at least be allowed some kind of legal civil union with their life partner, because they fully deserve medical insurance, inheritance, etc.? How I could care less if they have TV shows depicting the gay life. I'm so full of hate and bigotry because I have SOME disagreements with the gay "movement". One being, until, they stop sweeping the high percentage of pedo, hebe, pedo-hebephilia among gays under the rug, I will stand with children over their rights. If they have nothing to hide...STOP hiding it.

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THAT is matter of interpretation.
Actually, it isn't. It was proved more than fifty years ago that being homosexual, even openly so, was no more a mental illness than being heterosexual. Homosexuality was initially included as a mental disorder, not based on any actual scientific evidence, but on the presumption that it had to be, because the only homosexuals most of these folk knew they knew were "crazy". The US Army actually proved that presumption to be wrong at the end of WWII when they studied military personnel being discharged for homosexuality, but they buried that finding for decades. In the late 1950's beginning with the work of Dr Evelyn Hooker, a number of psychologists proved empirically that being homosexual was not in of itself a form of mental illness. It may not always be the easiest thing in the world to live with sometimes, but it isn't a sign that you are crazy.
Questioning wrote:
I, for one, am not convinced.
That sounds like a personal problem to me. The evidence has been out there for decades, you might want to try and catch up with the rest of reality.
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There are regions, yes, in the U.S., where many consider bestiality to also not be a mental illness.
Snicker. While there are places in this country where getting busy with your animal friends isn't a specified criminal act, I can guarantee you that anywhere in the country you get caught dicking a duck, some body is going to make you see a shrink before they let you go.
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I, personally, am quite cognizant of what is and what isn't anatomically correct and just.
I'm sure you think so.
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Was I completely mislead by the Creator?
Nope, he didn't mislead you sweetie, you chose to get lost on your own.
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I think not.
But, you're still lost dear.
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I know what "normal" is. What about you? Do you know what "normal" is?
I was given the gift of my homosexuality by my creator, that to me is perfectly normal, whether you choose to believe that God has problems with that or not.

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My ugly bigotries?
Yes dear, supporting the sick notion that lesbian and gays are inherently incapable of being "morally straight" and that as adults, they are nothing more than dedicated child molesters, are seriously ugly bigotries. How is that not the least bit obvious to you?
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Like, how I believe that they should be allowed in the military?
A step in the right direction. But you still have been advocating seriously ugly bigotries in the name of the Boy Scouts. That's kind of hard to overlook.
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Or how I agree that they should at least be allowed some kind of legal civil union with their life partner, because they fully deserve medical insurance, inheritance, etc.?
And half a step back by supporting second class citizenship for the gay folk, denying us full equality for no other reason than we're not heterosexual.
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How I could care less if they have TV shows depicting the gay life. I'm so full of hate and bigotry because I have SOME disagreements with the gay "movement".
Apparently the truth is hurting, ain't it hon? You have told me that gay folk cannot by any stretch of the imagination be "morally straight" and are nothing more than a bunch of pedophiles. Both of which you know to be factually untrue, but you choose to have those issues anyways. You can deny what your rather obvious problems are, but being on the receiving end of them, tells a very different story.
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One being, until, they stop sweeping the high percentage of pedo, hebe, pedo-hebephilia among gays under the rug, I will stand with children over their rights. If they have nothing to hide...STOP hiding it.
http://www.childmolestationpre vention.org/pdfs/study.pdf

Take particular note of the section beginning on the bottom of page 11 and carrying over to page 12. You really can't fake having a f*cking clue as to what you are ranting about. You've been told the truth I don't know how many times now and you still ignore it. You are telling a lie that is incredibly dangerous to children for no other reason than your choice of seriously ugly bigotries. Disgusting.

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it's amazing how,when someone mentions gay,its automatically assumed they're all catagorized as pedophiles..all welfare recipients are lazy trash losers...all people busted for duo,pi,dwi,are all alcoholics.. all chronic pain sufferers are dope heads...and all old people stink....lol!!
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<quoted text>Yes dear, supporting the sick notion that lesbian and gays are inherently incapable of being "morally straight" and that as adults, they are nothing more than dedicated child molesters, are seriously ugly bigotries. How is that not the least bit obvious to you? <quoted text>A step in the right direction. But you still have been advocating seriously ugly bigotries in the name of the Boy Scouts. That's kind of hard to overlook. <quoted text>And half a step back by supporting second class citizenship for the gay folk, denying us full equality for no other reason than we're not heterosexual. <quoted text>Apparently the truth is hurting, ain't it hon? You have told me that gay folk cannot by any stretch of the imagination be "morally straight" and are nothing more than a bunch of pedophiles. Both of which you know to be factually untrue, but you choose to have those issues anyways. You can deny what your rather obvious problems are, but being on the receiving end of them, tells a very different story. <quoted text> http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pdf...
Take particular note of the section beginning on the bottom of page 11 and carrying over to page 12. You really can't fake having a f*cking clue as to what you are ranting about. You've been told the truth I don't know how many times now and you still ignore it. You are telling a lie that is incredibly dangerous to children for no other reason than your choice of seriously ugly bigotries. Disgusting.
http://www.childmolestationpre vention.org/pdfs/study.pdf
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Stereotypes :
it's amazing how,when someone mentions gay,its automatically assumed they're all catagorized as pedophiles..all welfare recipients are lazy trash losers...all people busted for duo,pi,dwi,are all alcoholics.. all chronic pain sufferers are dope heads...and all old people stink....lol!!
And everyone who the gay community labels anti-gay are full of HATE. Why can't they use a different term like "advocate for traditional values"?
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http://www.glaad.org/reference

The GLAAD media reference guide, informing media outlets of what they can or can't report, and how to report it in order to avoid a defamation lawsuit.

Of course there's no bias or manipulation of the public.

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Truth-Hurts wrote:
http://www.childmolestationpre vention.org/pdfs/study.pdf
Sorry, for some reason, Topix doesn't like me cutting and pasting links in my posts, half of them end up breaking. Hopefully it'll show up working here: http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pdf...
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Well, it appears that they've decided to table this decision for a bit. Atleast until May. Obviously someone comprehends the potential ramifications. Someone is thinking of the welfare of the kids. No point in serving them up on a platter. They should be permitted to reach decision making age before being indoctrinated. Unfortunately I suspect that this stall will be only pospone the inevitable. It wouldn't be politically correct to protect the kids and somebody may get their feelings hurt. It's perfectly acceptable that a group fights for their own, but really screwed up to fight to contaminate that which is someone else's.

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And everyone who the gay community labels anti-gay are full of HATE. Why can't they use a different term like "advocate for traditional values"?
Because that is the lie that "advocates for traditional values" tell themselves to sleep at night. Sorry, but it is awfully hard to consider the notions of gay folk being inherently incapable of being "morally straight" and as adults, that we all can't wait to find out if Cub Scouts do taste better than Brownies to be anything deserving of being called a "traditional value", let alone ones that should be advocated for by anyone in their right mind. Your traditional values are our ugly bigotries that we have to face every day of our lives. Your traditional values are nothing more than mean-spirited lies that you want us to give unquestioning deference to. You are hearing some hate, from a few, but from most, what you're actually hearing is some pretty righteous anger.
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Rick in Kansas wrote:
<quoted text>Sorry, for some reason, Topix doesn't like me cutting and pasting links in my posts, half of them end up breaking. Hopefully it'll show up working here: http://www.childmolestationprevention.org/pdf...
I'm going to ask you a question if I may. How am I, or other traditionalists expected to believe the gay community doesn't hide facts from the public regarding homosexual molestation rates or anything else, when I see things like this?

http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/ Factual information from the Center of Disease Control regarding gays and HIV.

and then this...

"HIV transmission is tied to specific high-risk behaviors that are not exclusive to any one sexual orientation. Avoid suggesting that simply being gay makes one part of a "high-risk group," or that risk of HIV infection increases simply by having sex with someone of the same sex."

http://www.glaad.org/reference/hiv
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I'm guessing that most motorcycle club members probably wouldn't be too welcome at a pride festival. Someone might feel threatened. Uncomfortable. Damn, aint that a bitch. That's exactly how most straight folks feel about exposing our kids to "taking a walk on the wild side". Even with that stated most can't grasp it.

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<quoted text>I'm going to ask you a question if I may. How am I, or other traditionalists expected to believe the gay community doesn't hide facts from the public regarding homosexual molestation rates or anything else, when I see things like this?
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/ Factual information from the Center of Disease Control regarding gays and HIV.
and then this...
"HIV transmission is tied to specific high-risk behaviors that are not exclusive to any one sexual orientation. Avoid suggesting that simply being gay makes one part of a "high-risk group," or that risk of HIV infection increases simply by having sex with someone of the same sex."
http://www.glaad.org/reference/hiv
Since you can't refute what you've been given to think about and/or haven't even bothered to read, let's change subjects to your perception that someone is somehow "hiding facts" about HIV and Gays. You give CDC statistics showing that HIV/AIDS is still sadly prevalent among gay, bisexual and other men, who for whatever reason, likely had unsafe/unprotected receptive anal sex with another man; followed by the very factual statement by the group called GLAAD that, HIV is tied to high risk sexual behaviors, not to being gay. The deception in that would be what exactly? Or anything else on that page which I'm going to guess that you didn't bother to actually check yourself, because I'm getting the distinct impression you are borrowing "your research" from someone else.
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Yea, same sex sex is "normal". Yea. Okay. Whatever. Most people know that it isn't.
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Truth-Hurts wrote:
<quoted text>I'm going to ask you a question if I may. How am I, or other traditionalists expected to believe the gay community doesn't hide facts from the public regarding homosexual molestation rates or anything else, when I see things like this?
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/topics/msm/ Factual information from the Center of Disease Control regarding gays and HIV.
and then this...
"HIV transmission is tied to specific high-risk behaviors that are not exclusive to any one sexual orientation. Avoid suggesting that simply being gay makes one part of a "high-risk group," or that risk of HIV infection increases simply by having sex with someone of the same sex."
http://www.glaad.org/reference/hiv
By the gay community hiding these facts...they are putting their OWN at risk.

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