UAW workers rally for rescue package

UAW workers rally for rescue package

There are 25 comments on the WISH-TV 8 Indiana News story from Dec 4, 2008, titled UAW workers rally for rescue package. In it, WISH-TV 8 Indiana News reports that:

UAW workers, auto dealers and plant managers braced the cold weather on Thursday in support of the rescue package being considered on Capital Hill.

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dale

Anderson, IN

#1 Dec 4, 2008
hmmmm interesting how the union thinks,,, certainly not like real people who actually work for a living,, This is how most of us do it... we actually show up.. do the job,, and then we get paid . if we show up drunk and get sent home, its because we get fired,, not because a greedy group of miscontents get my job back for me, The greed of the unions have gotten them where they are, in trouble.. union people have made their bed,,so take responsibility for your greed. NO sympathy from me.
harley man

AOL

#2 Dec 4, 2008
waaa waaaaaaaa waaaaaaaaa I make a lot of money waaaaaa waaa i did not save a penny keeping up with all my co-workers waaawaaaaa think WAL-mart cart pusher crybabys
Ellen

Greenfield, IN

#3 Dec 4, 2008
I read a comment on another story, either here or on one of the tv station message forums, and wanted to respond.

One guy said he was worth every penny he made. He very well may be, but I think the truth is a lot of the workers in these plants are overpaid.

A relative of mine recently retired from Ford, and he told me that he was making $175k a year!!!!! I was stunned. He was not in managment. He was a factory worker and said his job was easy. He did work overtime, but come on, how can what he did really justify that kind of money? I believe everyone should be paid a living wage for their contributions, whether that person is a janitor, a teacher, or a surgeon. Just as I feel that CEOs earning millions of dollars are ridiculously overpaid, my relative was ridiculously overpaid, and I would guess that many factory workers are too. I see nothing wrong with them making between $50k and $75k. That is certainly enough to live comfortably, but being paid $175K for a factory job that doesn't even require a college degree can't be a smart business decision.

I don't want anyone to lose jobs or pensions. I was downsized from a major corporation a few years ago myself, but people need to be realistic (union, company, and employees) when salaries are negotiated.
Yes we can

Columbus, IN

#4 Dec 4, 2008
Huge rally in Ft.Wayne turned out 122 people from an area that has 10,000 employed in automotive. Shows they don't even care when their job is about to go bye, bye. Show the same level of interest when they work and wonder why know one cares about their job loss. In basic education you learn that the cost of your labor is passed onto the customer until he know longer wants to pay the price, that is where we are at. At 73.00 per hour we aren't buying anymore, now what will or can you do. We will just go find someone else who has what we want at a price we are willing to pay. Economics 101.
David

Carmel, IN

#5 Dec 4, 2008
NO BAILOUT! Let them go bankrupt! If the UAW workers still want a job let them work for a realistic wage at Toyota or Honda.

Since: Jan 07

Deerfield, IL

#6 Dec 4, 2008
UAW workers rally for rescue package......Well of course they are, every parasite wants a nice juicy host. A dead one is useless to them.
Jennifer

Dayton, OH

#7 Dec 4, 2008
Wow $73.00 an hour. My husband works at Chrysler for TOP PAY at $27.00 an hour. Oh well, if tax payers dont want him to have a job where he works hard for a living and even lost a few fingers, the tax payer can pay the $1,038 per month will get in food stamps having 6 children and all.
indpls

Plainfield, IN

#8 Dec 4, 2008
IF THEY WERE WILLING TO SAVE THEIR JOBS WHY DON'T THEY TAKE A PAY CUT. THEY CAN'T CAUSE THEY LIVE WAY ABOVE THEIR MEANS. IF THEY WORK AT 9-10 AN HOUR THEY WOULD BE THANKFUL FOR A JOB. THEY WANT TO KEEP THEIR JOBS WORK LIKE REGULAR PEOPLE THAT WORK FOR A LIVING.
Dugout Doug

Carmel, IN

#9 Dec 4, 2008
Ellen wrote:
I read a comment on another story, either here or on one of the tv station message forums, and wanted to respond.
One guy said he was worth every penny he made. He very well may be, but I think the truth is a lot of the workers in these plants are overpaid.
A relative of mine recently retired from Ford, and he told me that he was making $175k a year!!!!! I was stunned. He was not in managment. He was a factory worker and said his job was easy. He did work overtime, but come on, how can what he did really justify that kind of money? I believe everyone should be paid a living wage for their contributions, whether that person is a janitor, a teacher, or a surgeon. Just as I feel that CEOs earning millions of dollars are ridiculously overpaid, my relative was ridiculously overpaid, and I would guess that many factory workers are too. I see nothing wrong with them making between $50k and $75k. That is certainly enough to live comfortably, but being paid $175K for a factory job that doesn't even require a college degree can't be a smart business decision.
I don't want anyone to lose jobs or pensions. I was downsized from a major corporation a few years ago myself, but people need to be realistic (union, company, and employees) when salaries are negotiated.
I worked as a skilled worker, had to serve a 5 year apprenticeship, as a journeyman retired about a decade ago and my hourly wage at the time was 17 bucks per hour. I felt I was fairly compensated and my benefits were decent and fair. I do recall that compared from those UAW members I had earned a lot less over the years and my benefits were a lot less. I also learned that when layed off they were, at that time, receiving 90 percent of their base pay. THeir retirement package was also much better and I cannot say I wasn't envious. My job was not exactly rocket science but did involve a certain amount of skills, learned through repetition rather than having to possess a great degree of intelligence. How it might have compared to an assembly line auto worker regarding the skill level I have no idea. I do know that many times I had to make decisions and if they were incorrect I was faced with "Off with his head". I might add that I worked a LOT of overtime. Now I have to wonder, was I underpaid or were the UAW members overpaid? From where I stand right now I think I wish I had gone to work at a UAW facility because today I'd be fine as a retiree. Hindsight is always 20/20. It appears that today's UAW workers who expect the same as their predecessors might be in for a rude awakening.
indpls

Plainfield, IN

#10 Dec 4, 2008
if they really want to save their jobs why don't they take a cut in pay....No they can't because they live above their means.... Hell they might even have to shop at wal-mart and aldi's instead of the mall.

Since: Jan 07

Deerfield, IL

#11 Dec 4, 2008
Jennifer wrote:
Wow $73.00 an hour. My husband works at Chrysler for TOP PAY at $27.00 an hour. Oh well, if tax payers dont want him to have a job where he works hard for a living and even lost a few fingers, the tax payer can pay the $1,038 per month will get in food stamps having 6 children and all.
I'll bet you think you just made a great argument don't you? The only thing you have succeeded in doing is proving to everyone that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. I'm not going to even try to explain why. You also did a great job demonstrating your pathetic philosophy of entitlement.
Ben Franklin

Carmel, IN

#12 Dec 4, 2008
It is not a concession to "not pay" non-working UAW personel, it is "common sense". Concessions from the UAW would be decreased pay, increased pay for health care, no health care for anyone over 65, less vacation, and less holidays. This is the real USA working world for most people. I'll bet you could get 10,000 people to apply for 1 union job with half the salary and benefits. The big 3 need to go bankrupt, then make realistic changes to the UAW and management pay and benefits.
Latrice Pumumba

Carmel, IN

#13 Dec 4, 2008
FreeCitizen wrote:
<quoted text>
I'll bet you think you just made a great argument don't you? The only thing you have succeeded in doing is proving to everyone that you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about. I'm not going to even try to explain why. You also did a great job demonstrating your pathetic philosophy of entitlement.
If Jennifer cannot afford 6 children, she should use a common method of birth control...an aspirin held firmly between the knees.
Soundman

United States

#14 Dec 4, 2008
Jennifer wrote:
Wow $73.00 an hour. My husband works at Chrysler for TOP PAY at $27.00 an hour. Oh well, if tax payers dont want him to have a job where he works hard for a living and even lost a few fingers, the tax payer can pay the $1,038 per month will get in food stamps having 6 children and all.
With all the exhorbitant benefits that they get(above the average $27 base pay), their total is $73/hr(do your math lady). Toyota workers make $48/hr with benefits, and that's why they will remain in business. I've said the UAW would drive the Beg Three out of business for decades now(worthless as they are). Can't fire them, whether they show up drunk, stoned or not at all(and NEVER to "WORK" anyway)!
Soundman

United States

#15 Dec 4, 2008
BTW- "Lost a few fingers" exactly makes my point about UAW workers. Can't even pay attention when they DO do something at their "jobs".
Latrice Pumumba

Carmel, IN

#16 Dec 4, 2008
Soundman wrote:
<quoted text> With all the exhorbitant benefits that they get(above the average $27 base pay), their total is $73/hr(do your math lady). Toyota workers make $48/hr with benefits, and that's why they will remain in business. I've said the UAW would drive the Beg Three out of business for decades now(worthless as they are). Can't fire them, whether they show up drunk, stoned or not at all(and NEVER to "WORK" anyway)!
Don't be too critical, I knew a lot of workers with missing fingers, and it wasn't because they were inattentive. Many times they took unnecessary chances to enhance productivity because they were pressured to do so. Granted some of it was stupidity but not all.
Ed Jukation

Carmel, IN

#17 Dec 4, 2008
The funny thing is the engineers trying to design hybrids for GM have much worse benefits than the janitor, and bring home less income compared to the UAW worker (with labor bonuses). GM pays outside companies to do skilled labor, so that it will be done right and on time. Guess what, GM has to pay union people the overtime that they are losing. Many times it is cheaper to get the job done paying the UAW "not to do the work". There are plenty of good hard working UAW people, they are just overpaid.
Tom

Reelsville, IN

#18 Dec 4, 2008
Being a retired UAW worker I remember giving up over $3.00 an hour when the company was losing money. At contract time the UAW asked for a small percentage of the profits for the people who were making the products. The problem with the Car companys is not the UAW but from miss-management, high oil prices and corperate greed. My pay raises were once each contract and that was just a percentage of the cost of living!
SPEAKUP

United States

#19 Dec 5, 2008
Ellen wrote:
I read a comment on another story, either here or on one of the tv station message forums, and wanted to respond.
One guy said he was worth every penny he made. He very well may be, but I think the truth is a lot of the workers in these plants are overpaid.
A relative of mine recently retired from Ford, and he told me that he was making $175k a year!!!!! I was stunned. He was not in managment. He was a factory worker and said his job was easy. He did work overtime, but come on, how can what he did really justify that kind of money? I believe everyone should be paid a living wage for their contributions, whether that person is a janitor, a teacher, or a surgeon. Just as I feel that CEOs earning millions of dollars are ridiculously overpaid, my relative was ridiculously overpaid, and I would guess that many factory workers are too. I see nothing wrong with them making between $50k and $75k. That is certainly enough to live comfortably, but being paid $175K for a factory job that doesn't even require a college degree can't be a smart business decision.
I don't want anyone to lose jobs or pensions. I was downsized from a major corporation a few years ago myself, but people need to be realistic (union, company, and employees) when salaries are negotiated.
I work for GM...as a well paid EDUCATED factory worker...we make about the same as Ford employees and I have to say that I make between 60-70K a year. In short, your relative lied. Unless he is in higher level management or works 24/7, he exaggerated his earnings. Don't believe everything you are told.
SICKOFBASHING

United States

#20 Dec 5, 2008
It's sad to see so many jealous Americans bashing on their neighbors because they were LUCKY enough to get a good paying job. When I found out I was called to GM, I felt like I hit the lottery because I wasn't going to have to struggle anymore...would you prefer to see people struggle? I don't understand that mentality at all.

When the economy sucks everyone under and we are all struggling...you will whine about that too.

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