Security in our Schools
hi there

Sparta, TN

#21 Dec 31, 2012
Honestly,

PLease explain to me why a trained police officer isnt allowed to have a gun in an area in a police station yet you think its perfectly safe for said officer to have a gun in a school. What kind of training can be done to make sure a gun isnt taken from an officer in a school but that training cant be givin to an officer in a police station.
Honestly

Morrison, TN

#22 Dec 31, 2012
Police stations have ALMOST nobody but criminals coming through their facility. At a school, Any thing that is abnormal stands out like a sore thumb.

Is was their fault that an officer had a gun at the processing station. This is the most vulnerable place since searches sometimes would require the handcuffs,other security measures to be at a low point. Since an officer at the school does not have to deal with this, he would be better aware of his surroundings thus more than likely to prevent it.

huh

Columbia, TN

#23 Dec 31, 2012
Police officers can have guns anywhere at the police station, or justice center EXCEPT for inside the jail, booking, etc. The reasons are obvious. Inmates attacking officer and taking the gun, Officers are highly outnumbered inside the jail part of the Justice Center.
Honestly

Morrison, TN

#24 Dec 31, 2012
hi there wrote:
Honestly,
PLease explain to me why a trained police officer isnt allowed to have a gun in an area in a police station yet you think its perfectly safe for said officer to have a gun in a school. What kind of training can be done to make sure a gun isnt taken from an officer in a school but that training cant be givin to an officer in a police station.
Are jailers in prisons allowed to carry a gun will in the cell areas? No! Why not???----it is obvious. This is also where processing should take place. Not every city has this mostly because they are so naive or liberal to say "it cannot happen here"

No extra training is necessary. In their job, you have to be on guard all the time otherwise it could and did cost lives. As I stated before, the areas and traffic is so different. Just like an officer on the road. If he has someone stopped and does not maintain distance, caution, awareness, etc. his weapon can be taken away from him. It has been done.

Your hypothesis is that someone is going to walk up to an officer in a school and disarm him. I can tell you, what you see in the movies does not happen. That weapon is the officers lifeline against criminals and he will protect it. Thus in you hypothesis, a fight follows, male teachers may or may not help. The fight would probably take 2-3 minutes allowing the calvary to be called and all the children to be locked down in a safe place. Can the criminal hit anything with a Hand-gun? Not that easy!. You hypothesis does not work. Yes, the officer may give his life, but kids are not harmed and the criminal is most likely deceased.

We can go on all day like this, The bottom line is that passive measures like locked doors only keep out the honest person.

Any more bright ideas.
Honestly

Morrison, TN

#25 Dec 31, 2012
huh wrote:
Police officers can have guns anywhere at the police station, or justice center EXCEPT for inside the jail, booking, etc. The reasons are obvious. Inmates attacking officer and taking the gun, Officers are highly outnumbered inside the jail part of the Justice Center.
Yes you are right. They are outnumbered but in most all cases they are dealt with one at a time. very few times are there where numerous prisoners are out together.
hi there

Sparta, TN

#26 Dec 31, 2012
"I can tell you, what you see in the movies does not happen"

you know that is so not true. Not with all the crazies out there. If that were true there wouldnt be a debate about a person/officer being anywhere to protect anyone.

Bottom line is anything can happen.

A lunitic can see an officer with a gun, the one you say will protect every kid in a school, shoot that officer thru the glass, get into the school the same way that happened in CT. Still can have the same horrible fate.

Or. What is the officer is at a different end of the school and someone does the same thing as in CT, how mant kids could potentially have that horrible fate.

Point is placing a armed person in every school only gives false hope in thinking it will solve the problem.

Saying it will protect every school kid is ridiculous.
Enough Said

Morrison, TN

#27 Dec 31, 2012
We can "what if" all day and you are right, the Crazy's out there think they are invincible. But the 'it is easier said than done' statement fits this very nicely. To shoot through glass and hit someone, incapacitating or killing them is a thing for the movies and videos except for trained military, swat teams, etc. To see someone walking down the sidewalk or entrance way with a gun, the officer is going to greet him by standing in front of the glass door.I think not. Your living in a "Alice in Wonderland" world my friend. It is very different "shooting unarmed people,kids than it is shooting at someone who can shoot back.

There would be no need for the officer to be in another area of schools. That is what cameras are for (i.e. passive systems). Unless you think there will be a group of crazy's working together to kill elementary kids? In this case I think you are trying to learn something here for what purpose, I do not know.

Anyway you go, placing a officer in a school escalates the odds of any child getting hurt wile they are on school grounds. It is not 100% but it is as close as anybody is going to get without a complete lock-down,gates and a army of security around each school.
hi there

Sparta, TN

#28 Jan 1, 2013
I live in the real world, I know there is no quick fix to the problem, I do not think adding someone with a gun will solve anything. Period.

You must live in an "Alice in Wonderland" world if you believe it will.

The chances of any school shooting happening anytime soon is slim to begin with. With or without a armed guard.

But if the chances are 15% with nothing being done I expect 0% if armed guards are placed in every school, but that cant be guaranteed.

Oh and there are more than one entrance to schools so your thinking only the front door being guarded is all that is needed is false. Any door, window, etc is a potential risk. What can be dont about those?

Again offering false hope is ridiculous.
Enough Said

Morrison, TN

#29 Jan 1, 2013
Your trying to put a square peg in a round hole.

With the schools we are going to have to be right every time and the criminals right only once. Much like the terrorist problem our FBI/homeland security have.

It seems that you are resigned to the fact that some die and some don't approach. In your world, you are so against guns that you would throw the kids to the wolves before you would even try this approach.

hi there

Sparta, TN

#30 Jan 2, 2013
When did I say I was against guns?

I am against false security.

Why was none of this security done with any other school shooting? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_school_s...

No childs life should be taken at the hands of any lunatic wanting to take as many people as possible before taking their own life. I personally think they need to skip a step.

I think its funny how some people think all it will take is putting some one there with a gun will stop it. I believe that is one of many steps that need to be taken, no I am not saying take peoples gun rights away. That isnt an answer.

Since you think I am so against guns, I will ask you this question. Is one childs life worth you (anyone) being able to expel 20 bullets in a minutes time. Would you through a kid to the wolves to keep the right to have a gun that could take 20 kids lives with one gun in a matter of minutes?
Enough Said

Morrison, TN

#31 Jan 2, 2013
You said: "Why was none of this security done with any other school shooting?"
Probably because people like yourself keep saying it would not help and the kids keep dying. It is hard for people to place anybody into our schools that carries a gun. It is almost Taboo. When I grew up, we walked or road bicycles to school. You know what would happen if a child did that today.
You Said: "I think its funny how some people think all it will take is putting some one there with a gun will stop it. I believe that is one of many steps that need to be taken,"
There goes your argument. I agree with the author of the blog posted on page one. "The added officer at the schools accompanied by those (in-place) passive security measures would provide the highest safety margin for our kids available without locking down all schools all of the time." In addition to the author's thoughts, there are other passive measures that can be taken, it just depends on how far will we go to protect our kids. How far would you go?
You said: "Is one childs life worth you (anyone) being able to expel 20 bullets in a minutes time. Would you through a kid to the wolves to keep the right to have a gun that could take 20 kids lives with one gun in a matter of minutes?"
In my opinion One Child's life is worth more that all the guns in the world. However, you are forgetting one thing. Guns do not kill anyone by themselves and I have yet to hear you or any of the other liberals to put forth measures that would insure that any disturbed child, adult or criminal would not be walking around with the rest of us. Both issues are strictly against the constitution. The bottom line is that if you get rid of guns (anykind, type of magazines, etc) for the HONEST man, only the criminal or mentally disturbed will be able to get them. Would you like to live in a Mad Max world like that. Remember this: "Gun control is not about guns; it's about control."
Back To answer your ???, If you or anyone could guarantee (100%)that not one kid(s) would ever get killed again by any type of gun here in the U.S. ; Yes, I would give up my gun rights for that. BUT----- like you stated earlier, 99.9% is not 100%.
??? for you: Would you let a child die because you did not turn over every stone and use every measure available in an effort to save them??
hi there

Sparta, TN

#32 Jan 3, 2013
You said it perfectly right, your constitutional rights for a gun.

Lets go back to 1776 guns, period. There is no argument. That you have the rights that were given to everyone in 1776.

Thankyou for reminding me and everyone else about the rights our forefathers gave in 1776.

Now before you say I live in a alice and wonderland world, or call me a liberal, or that I am willing to throw a child to the wolves. tell me how many of your guns bypass the3 technology of 1776 when your constitutional rights were given.

I know you will come up with some clever reason, like saying criminals have them, and call me a gun hating liberal. Or some other same ole stuff to cling on to. But I have heard it all.

Blame liberals for kids being shot in schools, people in malls, or sometimes in the crossfire of criminal shoot outs. But the people who need to be blamed are the criminals and as history shows mentally unstable people. So until non-liberals stop saying we have rights, we will never get guns that can do massive damage out of the hands of said people. Sadly criminals will probably always have them so lets just say if they can have them we can too. Right.

Now as for the guns dont kill people do. Do you really think that you cant say take the gun away and how would they kkill 26 people in a matter of minutes cant be added. Please get new ammunition for that argument.

And like you name. Enough said. I am finished, why well until we can have a intelligent debate with new info its all been said. And bottom line to you is its all liberals fault. Thankyou for my kindergarten lesson of sticks and stones.

Enough Said

Morrison, TN

#33 Jan 3, 2013
finally brought the real you out!

Ck out Bath School in Michigan, 1929 where the killer used dynamite and killed 38 elementary children and several adults. Oklahoma I think was a truck blast with a nursery on the lower floors.

We can't pretend to stop everything, But we can get security so high at our schools that these idiots, mentally-deranged and copy cats murderers will think twice about attacking our schools.

Yes, It is Enough Said. except

"Those who hammer their guns into plows will plow for those who do not."~Thomas Jefferson

HoT

Morrison, TN

#34 Jan 5, 2013
Who was he, a big wig or something?
Honestly

Morrison, TN

#35 Jan 6, 2013
Heard that there was a threat against the High school last in the last week or so. Don't think nothing come out of it but sooner or later it is coming to Sparta and White County. I hope we are prepared for the consequences if we are not prepared to deal with it.
Enough Said

Morrison, TN

#36 Jan 8, 2013
Yeah and the State Legislature is trying to pass some sort of law for schools? anyone know what it is?
Quest

Livingston, TN

#37 Jan 8, 2013
What is Baxter school system going to do about security? I hope they do something. Anyone can walk into that building and never asked what they are doing there.
Honestly

Morrison, TN

#38 Jan 13, 2013
I guess like Washington, this post is just fissiling-out. Guess no one cares anymore?
Wonder If

Morrison, TN

#39 Jan 19, 2013
If something happens in our school like Sandy Hook, can we sue the county commissioners individually, county government, school board members and Director for gross Negligence? Does someone know. From what I hear, we have already had some close calls. May be just better for me to get my kid out of public and put him in private school somewhere. Home schooling is a possibility. I know I can protect him here.
TTH

Cookeville, TN

#40 Jan 19, 2013
Nothing in Obama's plan does anything to protect children. Sure you can protect your child in your home......for now. Ultimately if the liberals have their way you will no longer be able to own a firearm and then what will you do?

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