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Southern Shores Res

Windsor, NC

#1 Feb 19, 2013
OK, so who out there does not know and understand that a service dog is different than a regular dog? Blind people, for one, can have a service dog that is specially trained to be their eyes and the law allows them to go in any place open to the public. Who does not know this? Who in the restaurant business does not know this? It has been federal law for years and years. Well it seems Burger King does not know it. The manager there stopped a lady entering with her service dog and the police were called to explain to the manager how wrong he was. The dog had on a service vest and the lady had a service dog ID with its picture. Amazing to me anyone in the restaurant, if you can call Burger King that, would not know this. I bet I know who got a free Whopper.
really

Clayton, NC

#2 Feb 19, 2013
you can buy the vests and id's off the internet. unless she was truly blind, dead, ect.. i'd doubt it, too. how many people bring their dogs in and then say it's for a nervous condition? hilarious. especially people with little dogs.
yeah

Rougemont, NC

#3 Feb 19, 2013
It's like the idjit on here a few years ago that tried to say his pit bull was a service dog. Crackheads don't need service dogs...
thereyouhaveit

Nashville, NC

#4 Feb 19, 2013
Sadly, many, make that, TOO MANY individuals do not understand both disabilities and how they are managed by the individuals that live with them. As I say to individuals, I HAVE a disability, the disability does NOT HAVE me! Not all disabilities are READILY apparent! In fact MANY are NOT. Do NOT judge another simply because you can not SEE their disability! I have actually witnessed, on several occasions, an individual YELL at someone in front of them "I SAID get OUT of the way! ARE YOU DEAF!" UM, YES, actually they were. But they could not "see" it so it must NOT exist!(Fortunately, the individual that was hearing impaired did not have to "hear" it!) Or individuals that, like the manager at the Burger King, immediately said to an individual "You CANNOT bring that dog in here! And then got into an argument with the individual about it without EVER asking "why" the individual was "bringing" the dog in to begin with! THEN telling the individual that "unless you have papers/tags/vests or can PROVE that the dog is medically necessary you have to LEAVE NOW!" Think of it this way. If you saw someone coming into your place of business in a wheelchair or with a cane would you question them? Tell them they "could not bring THAT in here!". Ask them to "prove" that they were "blind" or had mobility issues!? Yeah, individuals are "faking" being blind ALL the time so they can walk around with a cane. And just THINK of the advantages of using a wheelchair to get around versus walking! The advantages are just ENDLESS right! YET! individuals that have OTHER disabilities are questioned ALL the time as if it is perfectly OK to do so and that the individual doing the questioning is SURE that they MUST be 'faking!' so its "OK".(BTW having to take a dog with you EVERYWHERE is NOT as fun, easy, and/or convenient as it might seem! So please don't think that individuals are just "faking a disability just to have their dog with them".(Yes, I am sure that it DOES happen, BUT it is VERY much the exception versus the rule here!) There are countless individuals that have not only put their lives on the line to protect yours, but have paid for doing so with a disability that will haunt them for the rest of their lives and you would never know it to 'look' at them... yes,@really, I am talking to you with your comment about "nervous condition" HOW DARE YOU! Let us all hope that you are never in a position of having a disabling "nervous condition" so that YOU can be judged by others for how you accommodate for it!

Sorry, have to break this up into two parts.
thereyouhaveit

Nashville, NC

#5 Feb 19, 2013
As for "vests and id's" they are NOT legally required. Nor do you have to purchase them. The state of North Carolina will happily send you a free collar tag..it looks just like a silver metal ID tag... and 'cards'(although, again, they are NOT legally required to be carried with you!) if you send them the appropriate paperwork. But, as long as the individual states that they have a disability that requires them to have an aid/assistance animal AND the animal..or animals as, yes there is no 'limit' to the number of animals.. with them is/are the aid/assistance animal(s) then you MUST accept them at their word. You CAN NOT require them to 'prove' it, or to supply you with 'vests','id's','paperwork','ca rds', or 'a note from their mother'! IF the individual wishes to converse with you about the details it is their right to do so... BUT it is ALSO their LEGAL RIGHT to NOT DO SO! I can not tell you the number of times that, seemingly, well educated and worldly aware individuals have met me for the first time and said "OH! I thought you were disabled?" REALLY!? You actually said that OUT LOUD?! My responses tend to attempt to give them a 'wake up' call.. such as "DAMN! did I forget my wheelchair at home AGAIN!" Or my other favourite if I am feeling terribly LESS than kind is "I am, and I see that you are as well! How DO you deal with that CRIPPLING STUPIDITY that you suffer from?!" Believe it or not, I am MOST often asked about it by individuals that actually are REQUIRED by LAW to know... i.e. real estate company owners! I WISH I could say it didn't happen often but.... well.. IT DOES!
thereyouhaveit

Nashville, NC

#6 Feb 19, 2013
ok.. not sure why the first part of this disappeared but.. I guess you will have to read it round about.

Sadly, many, make that, TOO MANY individuals do not understand both disabilities and how they are managed by the individuals that live with them. As I say to individuals, I HAVE a disability, the disability does NOT HAVE me! Not all disabilities are READILY apparent! In fact MANY are NOT. Do NOT judge another simply because you can not SEE their disability! I have actually witnessed, on several occasions, an individual YELL at someone in front of them "I SAID get OUT of the way! ARE YOU DEAF!" UM, YES, actually they were. But they could not "see" it so it must NOT exist!(Fortunately, the individual that was hearing impaired did not have to "hear" it!) Or individuals that, like the manager at the Burger King, immediately said to an individual "You CANNOT bring that dog in here! And then got into an argument with the individual about it without EVER asking "why" the individual was "bringing" the dog in to begin with! THEN telling the individual that "unless you have papers/tags/vests or can PROVE that the dog is medically necessary you have to LEAVE NOW!" Think of it this way. If you saw someone coming into your place of business in a wheelchair or with a cane would you question them? Tell them they "could not bring THAT in here!". Ask them to "prove" that they were "blind" or had mobility issues!? Yeah, individuals are "faking" being blind ALL the time so they can walk around with a cane. And just THINK of the advantages of using a wheelchair to get around versus walking! The advantages are just ENDLESS right! YET! individuals that have OTHER disabilities are questioned ALL the time as if it is perfectly OK to do so and that the individual doing the questioning is SURE that they MUST be 'faking!' so its "OK".(BTW having to take a dog with you EVERYWHERE is NOT as fun, easy, and/or convenient as it might seem! So please don't think that individuals are just "faking a disability just to have their dog with them".(Yes, I am sure that it DOES happen, BUT it is VERY much the exception versus the rule here!) There are countless individuals that have not only put their lives on the line to protect yours, but have paid for doing so with a disability that will haunt them for the rest of their lives and you would never know it to 'look' at them... yes,@really, I am talking to you with your comment about "nervous condition" HOW DARE YOU! Let us all hope that you are never in a position of having a disabling "nervous condition" so that YOU can be judged by others for how you accommodate for it!
Southern man

Manteo, NC

#7 Feb 19, 2013
thereyouhaveit wrote:
ok.. not sure why the first part of this disappeared but.. I guess you will have to read it round about.
Sadly, many, make that, TOO MANY individuals do not understand both disabilities and how they are managed by the individuals that live with them. As I say to individuals, I HAVE a disability, the disability does NOT HAVE me! Not all disabilities are READILY apparent! In fact MANY are NOT. Do NOT judge another simply because you can not SEE their disability! I have actually witnessed, on several occasions, an individual YELL at someone in front of them "I SAID get OUT of the way! ARE YOU DEAF!" UM, YES, actually they were. But they could not "see" it so it must NOT exist!(Fortunately, the individual that was hearing impaired did not have to "hear" it!) Or individuals that, like the manager at the Burger King, immediately said to an individual "You CANNOT bring that dog in here! And then got into an argument with the individual about it without EVER asking "why" the individual was "bringing" the dog in to begin with! THEN telling the individual that "unless you have papers/tags/vests or can PROVE that the dog is medically necessary you have to LEAVE NOW!" Think of it this way. If you saw someone coming into your place of business in a wheelchair or with a cane would you question them? Tell them they "could not bring THAT in here!". Ask them to "prove" that they were "blind" or had mobility issues!? Yeah, individuals are "faking" being blind ALL the time so they can walk around with a cane. And just THINK of the advantages of using a wheelchair to get around versus walking! The advantages are just ENDLESS right! YET! individuals that have OTHER disabilities are questioned ALL the time as if it is perfectly OK to do so and that the individual doing the questioning is SURE that they MUST be 'faking!' so its "OK".(BTW having to take a dog with you EVERYWHERE is NOT as fun, easy, and/or convenient as it might seem! So please don't think that individuals are just "faking a disability just to have their dog with them".(Yes, I am sure that it DOES happen, BUT it is VERY much the exception versus the rule here!) There are countless individuals that have not only put their lives on the line to protect yours, but have paid for doing so with a disability that will haunt them for the rest of their lives and you would never know it to 'look' at them... yes,@really, I am talking to you with your comment about "nervous condition" HOW DARE YOU! Let us all hope that you are never in a position of having a disabling "nervous condition" so that YOU can be judged by others for how you accommodate for it!
Nervous much?
really

Clayton, NC

#8 Feb 19, 2013
no freakin way am i reading multiple post rants from someone obviously mentally disabled.

Since: Apr 09

Kitty Hawk, NC

#9 Feb 19, 2013
Yah, if there are more than 2 sentences in a Topix post I click "next"!
Southern Shores Res

Windsor, NC

#10 Feb 20, 2013
It was a Golden Retriever too, not a pitt or yappy dog. Bottom line is the cop that came confirmed it so stop adding crap about maybe it was this or that. Burger doodle manager was a fool.
OBX

Kill Devil Hills, NC

#11 Feb 20, 2013
I'm gonna bring a rhinoceros to the store with me. Maybe a whole zoo full of animals. I'm gonna claim I'm disabled with anxiety and they calm me. They are ALL necessary for me to survive. My point is there has to be a point where the business does not have to allow such things. I can't be allowed to take a rhinoceros into the movie theater, it' won't fit through the door- but according to "thereyouhaveit", I MUST be allowed- by law, to take that animal into the theater no questions asked.

Thoughts?
Steves bottle

Hickory, NC

#12 Feb 20, 2013
OBX wrote:
I'm gonna bring a rhinoceros to the store with me. Maybe a whole zoo full of animals. I'm gonna claim I'm disabled with anxiety and they calm me. They are ALL necessary for me to survive. My point is there has to be a point where the business does not have to allow such things. I can't be allowed to take a rhinoceros into the movie theater, it' won't fit through the door- but according to "thereyouhaveit", I MUST be allowed- by law, to take that animal into the theater no questions asked.
Thoughts?
168-4.2. May be accompanied by service animal

a) Every person with a disability has the right to be accompanied by a service animal trained to assist the person with his or her specific disability in any of the places listed in G.S. 168-3, and has the right to keep the service animal on any premises the person leases, rents, or uses. The person qualifies for these rights upon the showing of a tag, issued by the Department of Health and Human Services, under G.S. 168-4.3, stamped “NORTH CAROLINA SERVICE ANIMAL PERMANENT REGISTRATION” and stamped with a registration number, or upon a showing that the animal is being trained or has been trained as a service animal. The service animal may accompany a person in any of the places listed in G.S. 168-3.

(b) An animal in training to become a service animal may be taken into any of the places listed in G.S. 168-3 for the purpose of training when the animal is accompanied by a person who is training the service animal and the animal wears a collar and leash, harness, or cape that identifies the animal as a service animal in training. The trainer shall be liable for any damage caused by the animal while using a public conveyance or on the premises of a public facility or other place listed in G.S. 168-3.

168-3. Right to use of public conveyances, accommodations, etc

Persons with disabilities are entitled to accommodations, advantages, facilities, and privileges of all common carriers, airplanes, motor vehicles, railroad trains, motor buses, streetcars, boats, or any other public conveyances or modes of transportation; hotels, lodging places, places of public accommodation, amusement or resort to which the general public is invited, subject only to the conditions and limitations established by law and applicable alike to all persons.
12 guage

Hickory, NC

#13 Feb 20, 2013
Heard it was a seizure detecting dog. Not all disabilities are readily visable
okthen

Nashville, NC

#14 Feb 20, 2013
Steves bottle wrote:
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168-4.2. May be accompanied by service animal
a) Every person with a disability has the right to be accompanied by a service animal trained to assist the person with his or her specific disability in any of the places listed in G.S. 168-3, and has the right to keep the service animal on any premises the person leases, rents, or uses. The person qualifies for these rights upon the showing of a tag, issued by the Department of Health and Human Services, under G.S. 168-4.3, stamped “NORTH CAROLINA SERVICE ANIMAL PERMANENT REGISTRATION” and stamped with a registration number, or upon a showing that the animal is being trained or has been trained as a service animal. The service animal may accompany a person in any of the places listed in G.S. 168-3.
(b) An animal in training to become a service animal may be taken into any of the places listed in G.S. 168-3 for the purpose of training when the animal is accompanied by a person who is training the service animal and the animal wears a collar and leash, harness, or cape that identifies the animal as a service animal in training. The trainer shall be liable for any damage caused by the animal while using a public conveyance or on the premises of a public facility or other place listed in G.S. 168-3.
168-3. Right to use of public conveyances, accommodations, etc
Persons with disabilities are entitled to accommodations, advantages, facilities, and privileges of all common carriers, airplanes, motor vehicles, railroad trains, motor buses, streetcars, boats, or any other public conveyances or modes of transportation; hotels, lodging places, places of public accommodation, amusement or resort to which the general public is invited, subject only to the conditions and limitations established by law and applicable alike to all persons.
One mention here. According to the FEDERAL ADA (which overrides the state laws)

"When it is not obvious what service an animal provides, only limited inquiries are allowed. Staff may ask two questions:(1) is the dog a service animal required because of a disability, and (2) what work or task has the dog been trained to perform. STAFF CANNOT ASK ABOUT THE PERSON'S DISABILITY, REQUIRE MEDICAL DOCUMENTATION, REQUIRE A SPECIAL IDENTIFICATION CARD OR TRAINING DOCUMENTATION, OR ASK THAT THE DOG DEMONSTRATE ITS ABILITY TO PERFORM THE WORK OR TASK." (Capitalization my own) Also the State's Department of Health and Human Resources will confirm that staff CANNOT REQUIRE you to have the card/tag but that it will make things much easier.
Also, note that as of March 15, 2011, only "dogs" are considered service animals (with a secondary exception for "miniature horses" under specific circumstances.(Go figure THAT one out! LOL)
really

Clayton, NC

#15 Feb 20, 2013
it should be like handicapped tags on a car, if you need a service animal then you should have some sort of identifying, state issued card.
Steves bottle

Hickory, NC

#16 Feb 20, 2013
really wrote:
it should be like handicapped tags on a car, if you need a service animal then you should have some sort of identifying, state issued card.
Did you not read the above post?
OBX

Kill Devil Hills, NC

#17 Feb 20, 2013
Believe me, I'm not starting an argument against this subject, just a discussion. My father is disabled and I KNOW how it is going to public places with him...

So "okthen" brought up the part where only dogs (and miniature horses) are recognized service animals. So I guess I can't train an elephant and require that it be allowed anywhere I want to go? What about a giant Mastif? Those things are huge and slobber all over the place.

Also, I love how people are so worried about No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service because of health regs, but they have to let animals in (not saying service animals are dirty, but it IS an animal).
okthen

Nashville, NC

#18 Feb 20, 2013
really wrote:
it should be like handicapped tags on a car, if you need a service animal then you should have some sort of identifying, state issued card.
I fully agree with you.. but.. that is not what the law (ADA) says at present. I was just clarifying what the 'law' states. NOT my opinion on it until now. Since the state Department of Health and Human Services will supply anyone with a FREE tag once they have filed the forms there is no reason to not have one.
Steves bottle

Hickory, NC

#19 Feb 20, 2013
OBX wrote:
Believe me, I'm not starting an argument against this subject, just a discussion. My father is disabled and I KNOW how it is going to public places with him...
So "okthen" brought up the part where only dogs (and miniature horses) are recognized service animals. So I guess I can't train an elephant and require that it be allowed anywhere I want to go? What about a giant Mastif? Those things are huge and slobber all over the place.
Also, I love how people are so worried about No Shirt, No Shoes, No Service because of health regs, but they have to let animals in (not saying service animals are dirty, but it IS an animal).
I have set next to some people down here and wished they were an animal instead.

I have set next to a service dog inside a restaurant. The dog laid under the table the whole time and never moved or made a sound. That can't be said for children with behavioral problems. Besides, it's not like the dog can go back in the kitchen prep area.
really

Clayton, NC

#20 Feb 20, 2013
Steves bottle wrote:
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Did you not read the above post?
no, i didn't.

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