St. Lawrence County initiative aims t...

St. Lawrence County initiative aims to build more smoke-free housing

There are 31 comments on the Ogdensburg Courier-Observer/Journal story from Mar 12, 2014, titled St. Lawrence County initiative aims to build more smoke-free housing. In it, Ogdensburg Courier-Observer/Journal reports that:

Phillip J. Marlow doesn't smoke, but his apartment in the Laurel Terrace complex in Massena tested positive for second-hand smoke.

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sandy

Massena, NY

#1 Mar 12, 2014
You should move . There are non smoking places!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#2 Mar 12, 2014
".........my right to breathe fresh air in my apartment?”

Here's where the tenant errs.

No such "right" exists. It's also likely not part of the lease he signed. Your neighbor can cook food with a pungent aroma, burn incense, use excessive amounts of Glade or some such, and the smell may very well infiltrate other units. SOL.

And, you're sharing the building someone else owns with other tenants. "“They serve all of their tenants and don’t want to single people out or make them feel unwelcome,” Correct-they want and need tenants to live there and pay rent.

Answer? Move to the place the Howe guy runs, or buy your own place where you get to dictate terms.
Leo

Oneida, NY

#4 Mar 12, 2014
Move into a " smoke free apt!!! or with a friend!!
Dan

Omaha, NE

#5 Mar 12, 2014
Jesus Christ Pose wrote:
<quoted text> We are working on rights. Non smokers get, smoker's lose. A new world order, get used to it
You have a lot of "working" to do.

Tenants do not own the property, thus their status as "tenants".

If the lease doesn't detail it, it's not in the rental agreement. If a building allows smoking in the units, your objections as a tenant to SHS are 100% irrelevant.

You move to a smoke-free building if it remains a major concern. They're there in Massena.

Problem solved.

Thanks

“BAS in Electrical Engineering”

Since: Jan 14

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#6 Mar 12, 2014
Dan wrote:
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You have a lot of "working" to do.
Tenants do not own the property, thus their status as "tenants".
If the lease doesn't detail it, it's not in the rental agreement. If a building allows smoking in the units, your objections as a tenant to SHS are 100% irrelevant.
You move to a smoke-free building if it remains a major concern. They're there in Massena.
Problem solved.
Thanks
With how much I hate smokers, I can't agree more here. Don't move into a place that allows smokers. Pretty simple logic.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#7 Mar 12, 2014
Electrical Engineer wrote:
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With how much I hate smokers, I can't agree more here. Don't move into a place that allows smokers. Pretty simple logic.
Antiquated notion, that whole "logic" thing.

Of course, if you're Phillip J. Marlow of Massena, you don't get interviewed by the local fishwrap and get your name in it for being "logical"; that only happens if you whine.
scene it

Weedsport, NY

#10 Mar 12, 2014
Dan wrote:
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Antiquated notion, that whole "logic" thing.
Of course, if you're Phillip J. Marlow of Massena, you don't get interviewed by the local fishwrap and get your name in it for being "logical"; that only happens if you whine.
Philip J. Marlow is no saint himself!!
LT tennant

Weedsport, NY

#11 Mar 12, 2014
sandy wrote:
You should move . There are non smoking places!
his gerlfriend smokes *****
Debbie

Weedsport, NY

#13 Mar 13, 2014
Who's is his wife?
george stoner

Massena, NY

#14 Mar 13, 2014
Debbie wrote:
Who's is his wife?
Mrs. Marlow?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#15 Mar 13, 2014
LT tennant wrote:
<quoted text> his gerlfriend smokes *****
As a non-resident of the area, I'd submit that Mr. Marlow has broader problems than whether or not his girlfriend smokes, or other minutiae of his personal life.

He seems to be laboring, as an adult, under the assumption that the world revolves around him, and that it should change to accommodate his specific wishes or desires. This will lead to a long, difficult life much more quickly and to greater ill-effect than any smoke he thinks he's smelling.

Since: Jul 13

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#16 Mar 13, 2014
Dan wrote:
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As a non-resident of the area, I'd submit that Mr. Marlow has broader problems than whether or not his girlfriend smokes, or other minutiae of his personal life.
He seems to be laboring, as an adult, under the assumption that the world revolves around him, and that it should change to accommodate his specific wishes or desires. This will lead to a long, difficult life much more quickly and to greater ill-effect than any smoke he thinks he's smelling.
No. Smokers are laboring under the assumption that the world revolves around them. They constitute a minority of people and yet watch them piss and moan if they are not allowed to smoke. Since this is HUD housing, it will likely follow the lead of many other HUD properties across the country and go smoke free. If someone can afford to smoke, they can surely afford an apartment that is NOT on the government dole. If they can't afford both, then they need to quit smoking or move into a tent because the rest of us should not pay for their filthy addiction. Same thing with food stamps. Test all recipients for drugs, including nicotine and deny them benefits. If they can afford to smoke, they can buy their own dinner.

“musha ring dum a doo dum a da”

Since: Mar 14

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#18 Mar 13, 2014
no i win
Dan

Omaha, NE

#20 Mar 14, 2014
bud_schmones wrote:
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No. Smokers are laboring under the assumption that the world revolves around them. They constitute a minority of people and yet watch them piss and moan if they are not allowed to smoke. Since this is HUD housing, it will likely follow the lead of many other HUD properties across the country and go smoke free. If someone can afford to smoke, they can surely afford an apartment that is NOT on the government dole. If they can't afford both, then they need to quit smoking or move into a tent because the rest of us should not pay for their filthy addiction. Same thing with food stamps. Test all recipients for drugs, including nicotine and deny them benefits. If they can afford to smoke, they can buy their own dinner.
What an odd sentiment, as if any minority can be simply dismissed by virtue of being a minority.

More odd is the idea that they can be summarily dismissed for partaking in a legal activity that you happen to disapprove of.

Sort of proves out my "world revolves around me" posit, doesn't it?
Dan

Omaha, NE

#21 Mar 14, 2014
Tobacco Cologne wrote:
<quoted text> Dan's on his cross again. Its made of two cigarettes.
Clever, but is it not Mr. Marlow portraying himself as the martyr here?

Yes, I think it is.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#23 Mar 14, 2014
Tobacco Cologne wrote:
<quoted text> Wow Dan is posting big time today, and all with one hand while the other is showing who his daddy is.
Stealing my own smack from another thread and running it out on me?

Fail, TC.
Landlord

Auburn, NY

#24 Mar 14, 2014
agree with Mr.Marlow but he knew going in smoking was allowed. I tried to prohibit it in my apartments but to be totally honest I could not rent all my apartments because of it. So have not put it in my lease agreement. Unless it is in the lease papers nothing can be done.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#25 Mar 14, 2014
Landlord wrote:
agree with Mr.Marlow but he knew going in smoking was allowed. I tried to prohibit it in my apartments but to be totally honest I could not rent all my apartments because of it. So have not put it in my lease agreement. Unless it is in the lease papers nothing can be done.
Right.

You can be a landlord or an anti-smoking activist. One pays the bills, one may not.

Most landlords, like yourself, work on the primary objective of "renting your units".

Since: Jul 13

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#26 Mar 14, 2014
Dan wrote:
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What an odd sentiment, as if any minority can be simply dismissed by virtue of being a minority.
More odd is the idea that they can be summarily dismissed for partaking in a legal activity that you happen to disapprove of.
Sort of proves out my "world revolves around me" posit, doesn't it?
The minority here can be dismissed because they are a bunch of addicts engaging in an activity that harms others. No one says that smokers cannot live there. They can. They just cannot smoke where they live. Lots of places do not allow you to barbecue on a balcony. Is that discrimination against people who love to barbecue? No. They just have to go somewhere else to engage in that activity.

By the way, smokers want EVERYBODY to inhale and enjoy their hot, toxic gasses REGARDLESS of the health effects. THAT is the definition of "the world revolves around me" attitude.
Dan

Omaha, NE

#27 Mar 15, 2014
bud_schmones wrote:
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The minority here can be dismissed because they are a bunch of addicts engaging in an activity that harms others. No one says that smokers cannot live there. They can. They just cannot smoke where they live. Lots of places do not allow you to barbecue on a balcony. Is that discrimination against people who love to barbecue? No. They just have to go somewhere else to engage in that activity.
By the way, smokers want EVERYBODY to inhale and enjoy their hot, toxic gasses REGARDLESS of the health effects. THAT is the definition of "the world revolves around me" attitude.
" because they are a bunch of addicts engaging in an activity that harms others."

False premise.

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