Christian Science seeks to heal its ailing church

[god]

ugboaja ugozioma wrote:

FROM THE MORE AND LITTLE I KNOW ABOUT CHRISTIAN SCIENCE ITS NOT A CULT ORG

all orgs are cults

but the cs touch is very lite

it comes in the form of local church members who like all people in the world are fascists to one degree or another

these lcm's can get on ones nerves w. their niggling abt the details of cs

but the church does a great job in their publishing

they should get rid of the church & concentrate on publishing

[Dark Night of the Soul]

Christian Science and other abberant "faith healing cults" is deceptive in that they follow the teachings of a person who has misinterpreted the scriptures of the Bible. For one thing, their "healers" CHARGE for their services! When the Bible says, "freely you have received, freely GIVE"! Did Jesus or the apostles charge for healing? Of course not.
Apostasy Watch just did a brilliant teaching on the issue of faith healing and where the people following these false teacher are being led astray, by failing to seek God for themselves!

The title of this MP3 is:
WARNING! FALSE DOCTRINES MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH!

http://www.apostasywatch.com/

[god]

Dark Night of the Soul wrote:

Christian Science and other abberant "faith healing cults" is deceptive in that they follow the teachings of a person who has misinterpreted the scriptures of the Bible. For one thing, their "healers" CHARGE for their services! When the Bible says, "freely you have received, freely GIVE"! Did Jesus or the apostles charge for healing? Of course not.
Apostasy Watch just did a brilliant teaching on the issue of faith healing and where the people following these false teacher are being led astray, by failing to seek God for themselves!
The title of this MP3 is:
WARNING! FALSE DOCTRINES MAY BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR HEALTH!
http://www.apostasywatch.com/

any sane cs't heals itself

once i went to a practitioner & learnt nothing except to leave them alone

trust not in the arm of flesh

are you the ultimate judge of what the bible means

imo everyone has the right to decide the meaning for oneself........or are you a fascist

i think many born again people are apostates when they insist on seeing the bible literally when jc rebuked his apostles for this

also that hideous dispensational heresy which cancels out the gifts of the holy spirit for our age

[Billy]

They should seek to fix their screwed up paper too. CS Monitor used to be one of the best sources of non-biased news. Not anymore! Nothing but a bunch of fanatic journalists trying to push their socialist agenda.

[god]

Billy wrote:

They should seek to fix their screwed up paper too. CS Monitor used to be one of the best sources of non-biased news. Not anymore! Nothing but a bunch of fanatic journalists trying to push their socialist agenda.

i wrote the last editor & he didnt answer me

i wrote the present one & he answered another question

the csm is a left wing rag

[DarkNightoftheSo ul]

god wrote:

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any sane cs't heals itself
once i went to a practitioner & learnt nothing except to leave them alone
trust not in the arm of flesh
are you the ultimate judge of what the bible means
imo everyone has the right to decide the meaning for oneself........or are you a fascist
i think many born again people are apostates when they insist on seeing the bible literally when jc rebuked his apostles for this
also that hideous dispensational heresy which cancels out the gifts of the holy spirit for our age

I don't know what gives you the notion that I am either a fascist, or possibly an apostate.

Christians are encouraged by scripture to study to show themselves approved to God,(not religious organizations, churches, authority figures, or starters of new religious persuasions).

There is NOTHING scriptural about hiring a CS religious practioner and paying them for their services. In fact, it's contrary to the Word of God. And, I might add, sheer nonsense. Ok, so Jesus can and does heal, but unlike a CS practioner, doesn't charge for his services.

Also, to deny children proper medical diagnosis and care in this day and age is barbaric to say the least.

Medical care coupled with prayer is wonderful. Prayer alone, while a baby or child lay in excruciating pain, and possibly dying an agonizing death, as has happened in all too many cases is satanic, not Christian.

Babies and little children of CS parents dying of medically preventable diseases and sicknesses:
http://www.childrenshealthcare.org/

[god]

DarkNightoftheSoul wrote:

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I don't know what gives you the notion that I am either a fascist, or possibly an apostate.
Christians are encouraged by scripture to study to show themselves approved to God,(not religious organizations, churches, authority figures, or starters of new religious persuasions).
There is NOTHING scriptural about hiring a CS religious practioner and paying them for their services. In fact, it's contrary to the Word of God. And, I might add, sheer nonsense. Ok, so Jesus can and does heal, but unlike a CS practioner, doesn't charge for his services.
Also, to deny children proper medical diagnosis and care in this day and age is barbaric to say the least.
Medical care coupled with prayer is wonderful. Prayer alone, while a baby or child lay in excruciating pain, and possibly dying an agonizing death, as has happened in all too many cases is satanic, not Christian.
Babies and little children of CS parents dying of medically preventable diseases and sicknesses:
http://www.childrenshealthcare.org/

practitioners are for the pathetically weak who shouldnt even be in cs

it requires real focus

most of the folks i know who died died under the care of medsurgburnshock

kids of cs parents should be told they can opt for adoption by noncs parents

[Dark Night of the Soul]

Anyone who can read, can study the bible for themselves to learn the truth about healing, and everything else that pertains to life and godliness. They don't need a practitioner, guru, teacher, leader of some new take on religion, Christian Science, Mary Baker Eddy, or anything else.
I've had many Godsent supernatural healings without the help of man. I've also had many healings with the assistance of physicians AND through prayer. Sometimes Christians need assistance, in childbirth for example, but not the assistance of an unlicensed, medically unskilled midwife.
http://www.ondoctrine.com/10chscie.htm

[god]

Dark Night of the Soul wrote:

Anyone who can read, can study the bible for themselves to learn the truth about healing, and everything else that pertains to life and godliness. They don't need a practitioner, guru, teacher, leader of some new take on religion, Christian Science, Mary Baker Eddy, or anything else.
I've had many Godsent supernatural healings without the help of man. I've also had many healings with the assistance of physicians AND through prayer. Sometimes Christians need assistance, in childbirth for example, but not the assistance of an unlicensed, medically unskilled midwife.
http://www.ondoctrine.com/10chscie.htm

i wont let myself be subject to the indignity of med/surg/burn/shock

[DarkNightoftheSo ul]

god wrote:

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i wont let myself be subject to the indignity of med/surg/burn/shock

How about letting yourself be subject to the dignity of the Holy Bible?

[god]

the holy spirit trumps the bible

[DarkNightoftheSo ul]

god wrote:

the holy spirit trumps the bible

"All Scripture,(bible), is inspired by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, for training in righteousness; 2nd Tim 3:16

[god]

the holy spirit trumps the bible

jc said there were things the believers of his time needed to know & at the proper time these things would be revealed to them

[DarkNightoftheSo ul]

god wrote:

the holy spirit trumps the bible
jc said there were things the believers of his time needed to know & at the proper time these things would be revealed to them

There are things believers of this age need to know, and they are being revealed via prayer, seriously study of the Word of God,(not dabbling), and-revelation by the Holy Spirit.

Believers were told to 'test' the spirits to see whether they were from God.

Further, the bible says that the Spirit and the Word agree!

Therefore, the Spirit does not "trump" the bible, but is in agreement with the bible.

[god]

DarkNightoftheSoul wrote:

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There are things believers of this age need to know, and they are being revealed via prayer, seriously study of the Word of God,(not dabbling), and-revelation by the Holy Spirit.
Believers were told to 'test' the spirits to see whether they were from God.
Further, the bible says that the Spirit and the Word agree!
Therefore, the Spirit does not "trump" the bible, but is in agreement with the bible.

i think the spirit & the bible can always be reconciled

but we may need to change our interpret of the bible

this can be done by taking into account the times of the writing of the bible

[DarkNightoftheSo ul]

god wrote:

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i think the spirit & the bible can always be reconciled
but we may need to change our interpret of the bible
this can be done by taking into account the times of the writing of the bible

There has already been altogether too much change in the way man has dabbled with and changed their interpretation of the Bible.

The Bible doesn't need to be re-interpreted. If we are truly seeking TRUTH, the Holy Spirit will indeed help us interpret correctly, according to God's will. The Bible IS his will.

"Then Jesus said to those Jews who believed Him,'If you abide in My word, you are My disciples indeed. And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free.” John 8:31-32

[god]

if born again christians could agree on what the bible says your argument would have more force

you just dont get the plan of salvation as i understand it

that is that the bible is a maze

if one comes thru it & rises above it to god status the bible has fulfulled its purpose

this is the meaning of the dark nite of the soul

[DarkNightoftheSo ul]

god wrote:

if born again christians could agree on what the bible says your argument would have more force
you just dont get the plan of salvation as i understand it
that is that the bible is a maze
if one comes thru it & rises above it to god status the bible has fulfulled its purpose
this is the meaning of the dark nite of the soul

"All Christians" will never come to full agreement on the interpretation of the Bible, but that's not Jesus fault. He laid it out very plainly and succinctly when he said, that IF his followers would live according to his word, they would become His disciples indeed, and THEN they would know the Truth, and the Truth would set them free. I know he didn't lie about this.

There is a way to know the Truth. To know Jesus in a progressively greater measure is to know the TRUTH. He is revealed in every book of the Bible. The Holy Spirit will reveal these almost hidden nuggets to the deeply seeking Christian, even in the Old Testament scriptures.

That doesn't mean that any of them would achieve God status however, even the best of them.

"Dark Night of the Soul" btw, was a book written by San Juan de la Cruz, a 16th century mystic. This was a powerful book, and showed that St.John had a depth of spiritual understanding achieved by very few. I admire his work very much, even though I'm not Catholic. St. John was persecuted by his own church, as most true Christians are persecuted in one way or another.

Modern writers are mistaken into thinking that somehow the Dark Night of the Soul experience is about depression. However, it is far from that. But they're false take shows how easily folks can mistakenly judge a book by it's cover, or title.

[god]

DarkNightoftheSoul wrote:

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"All Christians" will never come to full agreement on the interpretation of the Bible, but that's not Jesus fault. He laid it out very plainly and succinctly when he said, that IF his followers would live according to his word, they would become His disciples indeed, and THEN they would know the Truth, and the Truth would set them free. I know he didn't lie about this.
There is a way to know the Truth. To know Jesus in a progressively greater measure is to know the TRUTH. He is revealed in every book of the Bible. The Holy Spirit will reveal these almost hidden nuggets to the deeply seeking Christian, even in the Old Testament scriptures.
That doesn't mean that any of them would achieve God status however, even the best of them.
"Dark Night of the Soul" btw, was a book written by San Juan de la Cruz, a 16th century mystic. This was a powerful book, and showed that St.John had a depth of spiritual understanding achieved by very few. I admire his work very much, even though I'm not Catholic. St. John was persecuted by his own church, as most true Christians are persecuted in one way or another.
Modern writers are mistaken into thinking that somehow the Dark Night of the Soul experience is about depression. However, it is far from that. But they're false take shows how easily folks can mistakenly judge a book by it's cover, or title.

youre a raw callow youth intoxicated w. your arrogance & seeming invulnerability

truth is beyond words

it is in the purity of the heart/soul

if you live long enough in your fascism youll come to see this

right now you believe in your magnificent good sense

theres a day coming when torah will be done away w. & i would assume the whole bible will be too & im looking forward to that day when people deal w. each other without recourse to looking in a rulebook

[DarkNightoftheSo ul]

god wrote:

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youre a raw callow youth intoxicated w. your arrogance & seeming invulnerability
truth is beyond words
it is in the purity of the heart/soul
if you live long enough in your fascism youll come to see this
right now you believe in your magnificent good sense
theres a day coming when torah will be done away w. & i would assume the whole bible will be too & im looking forward to that day when people deal w. each other without recourse to looking in a rulebook

Skipping the false accusations and insults, at least you have #2 and #3 correct.

God bless, and dusting my sandals.