Change is transforming St. Paul's Pay...

Change is transforming St. Paul's Payne Avenue

There are 13 comments on the TwinCities.com story from Oct 15, 2009, titled Change is transforming St. Paul's Payne Avenue. In it, TwinCities.com reports that:

St. Paul's Payne Avenue used to be dominated by bakeries, barbers, antique shops, meat markets and grocery stores, owned primarily by European immigrants.

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Give Her The Gill

Minneapolis, MN

#1 Oct 16, 2009
I miss the Payne Reliever
eastsider recovering

Stacy, MN

#3 Oct 18, 2009
the east holds many memories for people. I moved out of there 10 yrs ago. What's funny is they got all this diversity and there represented by liberal crackers....go figure....
Ali java

Indonesia

#4 Oct 18, 2009
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Ali Fatul

Indonesia

#5 Oct 18, 2009
Dear author,

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Ali Java. Dear author,

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Many thanks and best regard
Ali Fatul
COME ON NOW

Saint Paul, MN

#6 Oct 20, 2009
Who is the paper trying to kid here. I grew up on Payne Ave, bought a house there when I was 24, sold the house 8 years later when slum lords bought all the property around me and there was a murder two houses down. I had no choice but to get my kids out of there and fast. These days if you go on Payne Ave you better be packing a gun because the punks walking the Ave sure are. Just take a look at the crime report for St Paul and you will see all you need too. There are still some good places to eat but the neiborhood has gone to the drug dealers and thugs. Just take a drive down Payne Ave at 6pm and then tell me you want to go shopping there. Please people the pioneer press should have asked the family who has lived there for the past 25 years who now have to put up with rental property on both sides of their house, not the buisness owners who have no choice but to tell you that everything is great. It is a gang and drug infested area and no one can tell you any different and keep a strait face......
White Flour

Englewood, CO

#7 Oct 20, 2009
COME ON NOW wrote:
Who is the paper trying to kid here. I grew up on Payne Ave, bought a house there when I was 24, sold the house 8 years later when slum lords bought all the property around me and there was a murder two houses down. I had no choice but to get my kids out of there and fast. These days if you go on Payne Ave you better be packing a gun because the punks walking the Ave sure are. Just take a look at the crime report for St Paul and you will see all you need too. There are still some good places to eat but the neiborhood has gone to the drug dealers and thugs. Just take a drive down Payne Ave at 6pm and then tell me you want to go shopping there. Please people the pioneer press should have asked the family who has lived there for the past 25 years who now have to put up with rental property on both sides of their house, not the buisness owners who have no choice but to tell you that everything is great. It is a gang and drug infested area and no one can tell you any different and keep a strait face......
I agree 100%

“Celebrate Liberty and Freedom”

Since: Sep 09

Mpls

#8 Oct 20, 2009
Movin to Woodbury-too many gang bangers hanging on Payne Ave
sad

Minneapolis, MN

#9 Oct 20, 2009
Payne Avenue is one of the great historic streets in Minnesota. I have worked on the Avenue for twenty years, and I had lived there for about five as well. While I don't disagree with the other posters regarding the thugs and drug dealers one must look past that. I have never been harrassed, attacked, or mugged in twenty years-- that is the only statistic I need in judging how safe a place is. Nowhere else in the Twin Cities is there a commercial street within a neighborhood with such an important and complicated history. People who simply "move on to the suburbs" created the problems on the East Side and unfortunately it is precisely those people whom need to "grow a pair" and come back occasionally to maintain the old small business community.

JTY

Since: Sep 08

Olathe, KS

#10 Oct 20, 2009
COME ON NOW wrote:
Who is the paper trying to kid here. I grew up on Payne Ave, bought a house there when I was 24, sold the house 8 years later when slum lords bought all the property around me and there was a murder two houses down. I had no choice but to get my kids out of there and fast. These days if you go on Payne Ave you better be packing a gun because the punks walking the Ave sure are. Just take a look at the crime report for St Paul and you will see all you need too. There are still some good places to eat but the neiborhood has gone to the drug dealers and thugs. Just take a drive down Payne Ave at 6pm and then tell me you want to go shopping there. Please people the pioneer press should have asked the family who has lived there for the past 25 years who now have to put up with rental property on both sides of their house, not the buisness owners who have no choice but to tell you that everything is great. It is a gang and drug infested area and no one can tell you any different and keep a strait face......
Payne has gone from a main street to a slum. At least it is still decent when you get past Maryland.

P.S. I miss Papa's Popcorn. I loved that place.
Cindy Stainker

United States

#11 Oct 20, 2009
JTY wrote:
<quoted text>
Payne has gone from a main street to a slum. At least it is still decent when you get past Maryland.
P.S. I miss Papa's Popcorn. I loved that place.
That's because it is mostly residential North of Maryland, and most of the residences are still single family owned. It has it's share of rental property too, but not as much as south of Maryland. Only a handful of business is north of Maryland. The DQ on Payne and Hawthorne was put up for sale this summer, I don't know if they have had any offers yet, but it just won't seem right without DQ on Payne.
mngirl

Jordan, MN

#12 Oct 29, 2013
What happened to Schwitzes Bar...7th and Payne area?
scubasteve

Minneapolis, MN

#13 Mar 19, 2014
I heard the payne ave. harvest festival had to really cut back because of the lost pull tab money generated by the payne reliever. I also heard that once the payne reliever was gone, payne ave. was to greatly improve. Why do I hear so much about roving gangs of teenage thugs.
GOVERNMENTSLAVE

United States

#14 Mar 20, 2014
Payne Reliever was NEVER the problem of the Payne Ave and East side. Now that the Payne Reliever has been closed for several years and Payne Ave has even more problems. Loss of Pull Tab revenue from the P.R. and all of the jobs the P.R. provided.
The jealous people who made up lies and gossip because they were afraid of their other half coming in looking at the men and women dancers at the P.R. And of course the Slumlords who rent to the Gang Bangers.
I hope Payne Ave Thugs gives the East Side back all of the hell and destroy it just like the East Side Development did to the Payne Reliever.
KARMA IS A BITCH AND IT IS GONNA GET YOU !

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