Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 31994 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#20633 Feb 24, 2013
War in Heaven

Do you as a Mormon member of the LDS believe the following. Yes or No

Two of God's son's Jesus and Lucifer, put fourth their own suggestions of how humanity should be tested on earth. Jesus suggests that humanity have their free will in choosing good or evil, but Lucifer suggests taking their free will away and to force them to give him honour:

"We needed a Saviour to pay for our sins and teach us how to return to our Heavenly Father. Our Father said, "Whom shall I send?(Abraham 3:27). Two of our brothers offered to help. Our oldest brother, Jesus Christ, who was then called Jehovah, said, "Here am I, send me" (Abraham 3:27). Jesus was willing to come to the earth, give his life for us, and take upon himself pour sins. He, like our heavenly Father, wanted us to choose whether we would obey Heavenly Father's commandments. he knew we must be free to choose in order to prove ourselves worthy of exaltation. Jesus said, "Father, thy will be done, and the glory be thine forever" (Moses 4:2)".(Gospel Principles, p. 17).
After hearing both Jesus and Lucifer speak, God said:
"I will choose the first [Jesus](Abraham 3:27)"
Lucifer is filled with rage, rebels against God, and incites a 3rd of the heavenly hosts to join him in his rebellion. God casts them down to earth, and they are denied the right to receive bodies of flesh and bone.
"Because our Heavenly Father chose Jesus Christ to be our Saviour, Satan became angry and rebelled. There was war in heaven. Satan and his followers fought against Jesus and his followers. In this great rebellion, Satan and all the spirits who followed him were sent away from the presence of God and cast down from heaven. One-third of the spirits in heaven were punished for following Satan: they were denied the right to receive mortal bodies." (Gospel Principles, p. 19).

Yes or No
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#20634 Feb 24, 2013
Some of the Spirit Children are 'Cursed' with Black Skin

Do you as a Mormon member of the LDS believe the following. Yes or No

"There is a reason why one man is born black and with other disadvantages, while another is born white with great advantages. The reason is that we once had an estate before we came here, and were obedient, more or less, to the laws that were given us there. Those who were faithful in all things there received greater blessings here, and those who were not faithful received less...There were no neutrals in the war in heaven. All took sides either with Christ or with Satan. Every man had his agency there, and men receive rewards here based upon their actions there, just as they will receive rewards hereafter for deeds done in the body. The Negro, evidently, is receiving the reward he merits." (Doctrines of Salvation, by Joseph Fielding Smith, 1954; 1:61, 65-66)
"...negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned, particularly the priesthood and the temple blessings that flow therefrom, but this inequality is not of man's origin. It is the Lord's doing, is based on his eternal laws of justice, and grows out of the lack of Spiritual valiance of those concerned in their first estate." *(Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 1966 edition, pp. 527-528).
"We will first inquire into the results of the approbation or displeasure of God upon a people, starting with the belief that a black skin is a mark of the curse of Heaven placed upon some portions of mankind. Some, however, will argue that a black skin is not a curse, nor a white skin a blessing. In fact, some have been so foolish as to believe and say that a black skin is a blessing, and that the negro is the finest type of a perfect man that exists on the earth; but to us such teachings are foolishness. We understand that when God made man in his own image and pronounced him very good, that he made him white. We have no record of any of God's favored servants being of a black race...every angel who ever brought a message of God's mercy to man was beautiful to look upon, clad in the purest white and with a countenance bright as the noonday sun." (Juvenile Instructor, Vol. 3, page 157, October 15, 1868)
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#20635 Feb 24, 2013
So Sambrotherofnephi

I await your straightforward answers to these Yes or NO questions.

If you answer Yes to any of them you are not a Christian.

If you answer NO to any of them you are either a LDS member who does not know what his church teaches or you are not LDS.

Because that is the Truth.
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#20636 Feb 24, 2013
The basis for the above questions comes from

http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/ep.htm

www.spotlightministries.org.uk

Check out SPOTLIGHT MINISTRIES at the above links.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20638 Feb 24, 2013
EGYPT

Can you COPY AND PASTE anything from authorized Church sources...

than analyze the data yourself...

then post your responses?

//

THIS IS CALLED THINKING FOR YOURSELF@!
CareEnoughToGoog leIt

Live Oak, CA

#20639 Feb 24, 2013
The Bible's a book whose documentation is compiled from fragments saved, by Greek temple prostitutes, who formed their own non-Jewish, quasi-Christianic, liturgy. It had to be defined by Roman Law and Greek custom.
This is known.

Don't act like Satanic Jews murdering Christians who fled to join Greek homosexuals and abide by Italian Roman law,

was the hand of God giving all mankind, all GOD, the man MURDERED, wanted us, mankind, to have.
CareEnoughToGoog leIt

Live Oak, CA

#20640 Feb 24, 2013
Don't even start, Hick.

Next you'll be telling us that Jews weren't polygamous for 3500 or whatever years, until the year 1,000.
CareEnoughToGoog leIt

Live Oak, CA

#20641 Feb 24, 2013
Egypt's the kind of lying hick who'll come online and tell people if their religion doesn't read ONLY from the books he claims HE reads, that's permission for him to go full-on lying pornography addicted sociopath.
CareEnoughToGoog leIt

Live Oak, CA

#20642 Feb 24, 2013
Because it's the will of his god. Himself. And Satan the father of the lying addict.
CareEnoughToGoog leIt

Live Oak, CA

#20643 Feb 24, 2013
A decade or two back a man wrote a book about the socio-psychopaths who plague civilization with evil through destroying whatever they touch.

The book was named "The People of The Lie."

Ask yourself what power it is that drives these bizarre fanatics. We know the answer.

Mormon.org
sickofit

Owatonna, MN

#20645 Feb 24, 2013
Love peace and kindness...The christian religion as it should be...Hate war and nasty attacks and bigotry...WHAT CHRISTIN RELIGION IS..

If christians would act like there god says to and did what the bible says they should the world would be like 95% christian and filled with peace.. Problem is the most hate filled mostr acist and most bigoted people on earth are christians.....
CareEnoughToGoog leIt

Live Oak, CA

#20646 Feb 24, 2013
sickofit wrote:
Love peace and kindness...The christian religion as it should be...Hate war and nasty attacks and bigotry...WHAT CHRISTIN RELIGION IS..
If christians would act like there god says to and did what the bible says they should the world would be like 95% christian and filled with peace.. Problem is the most hate filled mostr acist and most bigoted people on earth are christians.....
We're not part of that 95%.

Mormon.org
sickofit

Owatonna, MN

#20647 Feb 24, 2013
CareEnoughToGoogleIt wrote:
<quoted text>
We're not part of that 95%.
Mormon.org
Just another cult.....like christians. All religion is bad. WORST THING MAN EVER CREATED WAS RELIGION AND GODS.
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#20648 Feb 24, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Exactly!!!
//
So, go back to the O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L. documents...
the uncut,
the unedited,
the unaltered BIBLE!
//
But, where are you going to find it?
Where does your truth come from?
lol... we have already seen your "ninja anti-key copy paste skills" at work...
NOW PUT UP OR SHUT UP AND PRODUCE that O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L. Bible...
You know: the uncut, the unedited, the unaltered O.R.I.G.I.N.A.L. version!
//
Funny how you think that only one group of people had the Bible...
(Not the Book of Mormon, the Bible)
Because we have over 6000 Ancient manuscripts of the Bible from different lands and in different languages WE CAN RECONSTRUCT the original bible and man has the original bible it is 99.99 % accurate.

Because we can recreate the Bible OT and NT form 1st and 2nd century Christian fathers quoting it as scripture in its entirety except 1% approximation along with the Ancient texts we can say we have today 99.999% of the original bible.

So when you pick up a NASB or NIV or NKJV bible you have the bible of the 1st century Period.

God knows knew and does preserve his WORD.

GOD WOULD HAVE IT NO OTHER WAY HE SAID SO.

concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#20649 Feb 24, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
EGYPT
Can you COPY AND PASTE anything from authorized Church sources...
than analyze the data yourself...
then post your responses?
//
THIS IS CALLED THINKING FOR YOURSELF@!
The posts you refer to are all quotes from LDS sources they are footnoted and in context any one other than a dumb dumb can easily verify this.

That is if they are not a dumb dumb like you.
CareEnoughToGoog leIt

Live Oak, CA

#20650 Feb 24, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
<quoted text>
I lie constantly
This, we know, very well. As well we know who the father of lies is. Satan.

It's why you've come here claiming that because you scream in all caps you're credible.
CareEnoughToGOOG LEit

Live Oak, CA

#20651 Feb 24, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
<quoted text>
Again Dumb Dumb Jews practiced Idolatry for 4000 years as well, they practiced witchcraft, Remember the Story of Elijah.
That does not make it acceptable before God.
So again I do not dispute Jews practiced Polygamy and that is why so many times in the OT God brings his Judgement Upon the Jews allows them to be taken into slavery for being disobedient.
BUT NO WHERE DOES GOD COMMAND IT OR ENDORSE IT IN THE BIBLE.
NO THE BIBLE SPEAKS AGAINST IT AND SAYS IT ONLY LEADS TO FOLLY.
SO DUMB DUMB go have all the wives you like and receive your just dessert but it will not go well for you or the LDS on judgement day.
God Bless

Sociopaths at play will lie, lie, LIE, all day:

Deuteronomy 25:5 "New Living Translation (©2007)

"If two brothers are living together on the same property and one of them dies without a son, his widow may not be married to anyone from outside the family. Instead, her husband's brother should marry her and have intercourse with her to fulfill the duties of a brother-in-law."
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Every wise man God used, as evident FOUNDERS of the FAITH that He wanted developed as men authoritatively worshipped him, practically speaking, had multiple wives.

Even the conception God did not approve of it is gone when Deuteronomy 25 commands without any reservation whatever, brothers marry their dead brothers' wives, in order to give them children.

One of the sons of Judah, Onan, was KILLED by God for not doing the very marriage and giving children unto a brother, commanded in Deuteronomy.

7 And Er, Judah's first-born, was wicked in the sight of the LORD; and the LORD slew him.

8 And Judah said unto Onan:'Go in unto thy brother's wife, and perform the duty of a husband's brother unto her, and raise up seed to thy brother.

9 And Onan knew that the seed would not be his; and it came to pass when he went in unto his brother's wife, that he spilled it on the ground, lest he should give seed to his brother.

10 And the thing which he did was evil in the sight of the LORD; and He slew him also.

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Throughout time the Lord's M.O.S.T. authoritative men: Abraham, Jacob whose name GOD changed, to ISRAEL, and founded his NATION on,
***MOSES*** had multiple wives.

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Just a few verses before the admonition that whatever the case, a man would marry his dead brother's wife, the notion that people would try to be potentially unfair was addressed with yet ANOTHER commandment regarding the polygamy God approved of for the three most important men in the development of a national Israelite nation.
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Deuteronomy 21:15-16

“15 If a man has two wives, the one loved and the other disliked, and they have borne him children, both the loved and the disliked, and if the first-born son is hers that is disliked, 16then on the day when he assigns his possessions as an inheritance to his sons, he may not treat the son of the loved as the first-born in preference to the son of the disliked, who is the first-born.”
CareEnoughToGOOG LEit

Live Oak, CA

#20652 Feb 24, 2013
"The Lord never commanded polygamy."

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Adult men in Israel under the law of Moses, were commanded to marry, with some exceptions: religious service, military duty, etc.

Therefore the law commanding marriage to wife of a dead brother, meant polygamy MUST occur: as it did on a REGULAR basis, being a COMMANDMENT.

Elders also commanded, to try to talk men into it: and punish a man who won't.

Deuteronomy 25:
"25:5 If brethren dwell together, and one of them die, and have no child, the wife of the dead shall not marry without unto a stranger:

her husband's brother shall go in unto her, and take her to him to wife, and perform the duty of an husband's brother unto her.

25:6 And it shall be, that the firstborn which she beareth shall succeed in the name of his brother which is dead, that his name be not put out of Israel.

25:7 And if the man like not to take his brother's wife,
then let his brother's wife go up to the gate unto the elders, and say,

"My husband's brother refuseth to raise up unto his brother a name in Israel, he will not perform the duty of my husband's brother."

25:8 Then the elders of his city shall call him, and speak unto him: and if he stand to it, and say, I like not to take her;

25:9 Then shall his brother's wife come unto him in the presence of the elders, and loose his shoe from off his foot,

***and spit in his face***,

and shall answer and say,

"So shall it be done unto that man that will not build up his brother's house."

25:10 And his name shall be called in Israel, The house of him that hath his shoe loosed.
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The LAW COMMANDS.

The law commands the Elders to TALK to MEN about why they won't obey

The law commands the punishment be ***THE WOMAN SPIT in HIS FACE***

The law commands from THEN ON he be known as one who WOULDN'T OBEY the COMMANDMENT.

Satan possessed, family/heterosexuality-hating,
pathological liars,

will of course try yet to claim it isn't in their Bible.

As we see it is.
CareEnoughToGOOG LEit

Live Oak, CA

#20653 Feb 24, 2013
So much for the 95% who lie because Satan told them to regardless of what God said.

Find out what it is about civilization that makes it tout 50% divorce as family authority
50% of it's women molested or raped in their lives,
30% of it's men molested or raped in their lives,

50% of husbands admit adultery on their wife.

These are artifactual evidence of Satanic power over a people deluded.

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Mormon.org

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20654 Feb 24, 2013
concerned in Egypt wrote:
<quoted text>
Because we have over 6000 Ancient manuscripts of the Bible from different lands and in different languages WE CAN RECONSTRUCT the original bible and man has the original bible it is 99.99 % accurate.
Because we can recreate the Bible OT and NT form 1st and 2nd century Christian fathers quoting it as scripture in its entirety except 1% approximation along with the Ancient texts we can say we have today 99.999% of the original bible.
So when you pick up a NASB or NIV or NKJV bible you have the bible of the 1st century Period.
God knows knew and does preserve his WORD.
GOD WOULD HAVE IT NO OTHER WAY HE SAID SO.
Then why haven't you done it!

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