Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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Mo C

Salt Lake City, UT

#20129 Feb 13, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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1 A Word of Wisdom, for the benefit of the council of high priests, assembled in Kirtland, and the church, and also the saints in Zion—
2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint, but by revelation and the word of wisdom, showing forth the order and will of God in the temporal salvation of all saints in the last days—
5 That inasmuch as any man drinketh wine or strong drink among you, behold it is not good, neither meet in the sight of your Father, only in assembling yourselves together to offer up your sacraments before him.
6 And, behold, this should be wine, yea, pure wine of the grape of the vine, of your own make.
7 And, again, strong drinks are not for the belly, but for the washing of your bodies.
8 And again, tobacco is not for the body, neither for the belly, and is not good for man, but is an herb for bruises and all sick cattle, to be used with judgement and skill.
..........
Key words, "..not by commandment or constraint.."
It is okay for a LDS person to smoke and or drink. But God is saying that he recommends 'strongly' that you don't.
The church has evolved a policy that if you become a member of the church, not only will you seek to clean your mind of it's past impurities of thought through repentance, but (if it needs to be done) you will also clean your body of it's impurities like smoking and drinking and caffeine by quitting those things.
So the church has evolved policies that they believe please God concerning the flesh and the habits we subject to it which aren't good. So though smoking and drinking and caffeine products don't fall under a commandment not to do, if you wish to please God you would quit those things.
Polygamy is no longer practiced in the LDS church with head quarters in Utah. If you do partake in it you can be excommunicated. I have no idea if the practice will resume in the future.
Come on man, u can do better than that...u post up these lies and expect me to believe in them....,sorry can't do....word of wisdom is a law that prohibit lds from drinking and smoking...I'm just laughing here cause u r the first to say that lds leaders are ok to drink and smoke occasionally...
So when prophet Thomas s monson is stressed he goes out for a drink and hang out at the bar? Lololol

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20130 Feb 13, 2013
Mo C wrote:
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Come on man, u can do better than that...u post up these lies and expect me to believe in them....,sorry can't do....word of wisdom is a law that prohibit lds from drinking and smoking...I'm just laughing here cause u r the first to say that lds leaders are ok to drink and smoke occasionally...
So when prophet Thomas s monson is stressed he goes out for a drink and hang out at the bar? Lololol
Well state what you wish with pathetic idiocy. I pasted verbatim What Smith said God said concerning the WoW.
I'll paste it again for you :)

"2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint,.."
Father overtime

United States

#20131 Feb 13, 2013
Mormon cult wrote:
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maybe because Mormons paint a different picture of what actually happen and lied to lds members about it.....why do u try and defend such an obvious lie. Are u that dumb??
So there was no mob, Joseph and Hyrum had bazookas, and it was not jail. It was a 5 star resort. What kind of picture are you make believing?

You are not smart.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20133 Feb 13, 2013
The differences on essential beliefs in the LDS is so drasitic and different from Christianity in the NT there is no way one can claim LDS are Christian.

Below is some excerpts for a completely footnoted article that accurately quotes LDS documentation that shows with out a doubt LDS MORMONS are not Christians.

“We're Christians just like you!”

http://www.mrm.org/we-are-christians-just-lik...

It is difficult to comprehend why Mormons would say they are Christians “just like us” given that the foundation of their church presupposes that all professing Christian churches outside of the LDS Church are in a state of apostasy. Do Mormons who make this claim really think they too are “apostates”? Putting that aside, you need to ask yourself some important questions before automatically accepting the notion that the differences separating Christians from Mormons are insignificant. For instance, if your Mormon friend is really a “Christian just like you,” does that mean you believe:

God was not always God?
God is a glorified, perfected human being with a body of flesh and bones?
God is only one among many Gods?
God is married?
Jesus is the spirit-brother of Lucifer?
Jesus is the literal “Son of God” who was begotten naturally by an immortal Father?
Christians are saved by grace coupled with works?
Grace is given by God only after a person has denied themselves of all ungodliness?
Humans can become Gods?
Mankind must believe Joseph Smith was a prophet of God in order to get into heaven?
Christianity ceased to exist after the death of the Twelve Apostles?
The Apostle John is still alive?
American Indians are “Jewish”?
The Garden of Eden was located in Missouri?

For each of the above is a complete paragraph at the link above showing this is LDS belief which is clearly not Christian belief

Truth Matters Mormons are not Christians the Bible tells us so.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20134 Feb 13, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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lol...that's funny coming from a guy that say's it's God's honest truth that rumours are as factual and true as God's own words are...lolol.
You and Egypt are two peas from the same pod. You both believe second hand information and rumours are just like scientifically proven facts...well you two just keeping on thinking the way you do...lol.
Are you trying to claim the the first vision is a "scientific fact"? The Book of Mormon? You swallow those fantasies, hook, line, and sinker. We believe that a man had sex with his so-called wives. What is more likely to be true? The first vision, or that he screwed women he claimed the Lord wanted him to marry?

We are two peas from the same pod, we're not buying Smith's or your BS. "Run Forrest, run!"

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20135 Feb 13, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Well state what you wish with pathetic idiocy. I pasted verbatim What Smith said God said concerning the WoW.
I'll paste it again for you :)
"2 To be sent greeting; not by commandment or constraint,.."
Fine, try joining the Mormon church without giving up smoking or drinking. And if it wasn't a commandment when Smith "revealed" it, it shouldn't be one now. Proof that Mormonism is man made crap labeled religion. No member of the LDS church should have to live a higher standard than Smith.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20136 Feb 13, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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In the context of dying for his religious believes, Smith was a martyr. He died for his beliefs. It is why he was jailed. It is why mobs of people chased him all his life, no matter what you think of him. It was why that angry mob stormed that jail, armed, ready to kill what they thought were unarmed men. M L King died a martyr for his beliefs in all men having equality in the law. But he wasn't led to a slaughter.
Smith at first was led to a slaughter like a lamb. It is why he said it. He understood the possibility that a mob could storm the jail, take him and hang him or kill him was very possible. That portion of the story is where that comes from. But he still died a martyr for his religious beliefs because his religious beliefs got him killed.
He was jailed for destroying a printing press, not because of how he believed. He was going to be charged with adultery also, but was killed to soon. He was a martyr for perverted living. He was killed, but he was anything but a lamb. He was killed for his sicko thieving perverted ways. He thought himself above all laws of decency. The only shame is that a crowd didn't kill him in New York.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20137 Feb 13, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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You're pathetically boring...
Newsflash: Pot calls Kettle black! LOL!!!
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20138 Feb 13, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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He was jailed for destroying a printing press, not because of how he believed. He was going to be charged with adultery also, but was killed to soon. He was a martyr for perverted living. He was killed, but he was anything but a lamb. He was killed for his sicko thieving perverted ways. He thought himself above all laws of decency. The only shame is that a crowd didn't kill him in New York.
You got it right Final Moments at Carthage Jail and the Death of Joseph Smith
http://www.mrm.org/death-of-joseph-smith

in response, Smith (who was also Nauvoo's mayor) and the Nauvoo city council voted to declare the paper a public nuisance and sent an order to the city marshal that stated, "You are here commanded to destroy the printing press from whence issues the Nauvoo Expositor, and pi [scatter] the type of said printing establishment in the street, and burn all the expositors and libelous handbills found in said establishment" (History of the Church 6:448). The act was carried out as ordered on June 10th.
Care EnoughTo Google iT

Live Oak, CA

#20139 Feb 13, 2013
Sodomites celebrating the death of a man who told the whole world & anybody who'd listen he saw God Almighty himself, and not one but several angelic resurrected Apostles instruct him that

the other Christians would boil down to a bunch of

Pro-Sodomites celebrating the death of a man who told the whole world He was the SON
of his FATHER
and
that he was his Only begotten Son.

After his FATHER overshadowed a woman and made her pregnant.
With HIM.

Pro-Sodomites celebrating their conclusion
God isn't a man
He can't make a woman pregnant,

Jesus Christ isn't a man
because
Jesus Christ never WAS a man,
much less

the SON of MAN.

Pro-Sodomite "Christians"

celebrating murder

and their "Biblical based" doctrine regarding said

Son
of
Man's

"fraudulently misrepresenting Himself"
as

(1) a Man
(2) Son of a Man who
(3)made His mother pregnant

Pro-Sodomites claiming the entire Bible isn't bounded by repeated expression of polygamy as the family organization.

Sociopathological Pro-Sodomite Christians

explaining themselves clearly

while celebrating murder.
Care EnoughTo Google iT

Live Oak, CA

#20140 Feb 13, 2013
Pro-Sodomite Christians celebrating murder?

If what they're saying's right,

if you Google "Jewish Polygamy"

the Jews themselves won't tell you that not only were they polygamous for about 4,000 years or whatever,

but that they didn't stop till the year 1,000.

But see if you do check these sociopathological pro-Sodomite's lies they tell,

while they're celebrating murder,

you WILL find out that they DID practice polygamy for some 4,000 years, or whatever,

and that they DID practice it until the year 1,000.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#20141 Feb 14, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
... blah, blah, blah...
For someone who is not a Mormon
you have spent a lot of time
developing your
ninja 'anti-CHRIST-key' skills
on a religion that you don't believe in
or have any use for.

It is obvious

you have a hidden agenda.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20142 Feb 14, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
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For someone who is not a Mormon
you have spent a lot of time
developing your
ninja 'anti-CHRIST-key' skills
on a religion that you don't believe in
or have any use for.
It is obvious
you have a hidden agenda.
I don't think it is hidden at all. He's warning people what a farce Mormonism is. What a Christian religion it is not. Plain as the nose on your face.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20143 Feb 14, 2013
Care EnoughTo Google iT wrote:
Pro-Sodomite Christians celebrating murder?
If what they're saying's right,
if you Google "Jewish Polygamy"
the Jews themselves won't tell you that not only were they polygamous for about 4,000 years or whatever,
but that they didn't stop till the year 1,000.
But see if you do check these sociopathological pro-Sodomite's lies they tell,
while they're celebrating murder,
you WILL find out that they DID practice polygamy for some 4,000 years, or whatever,
and that they DID practice it until the year 1,000.
There were no Christians 4,000 yrs ago.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#20144 Feb 14, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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You're not only a shallow minded child, but you're an amazingly pathetic small minded child. Don't disappoint me and post some more childish gibberish :)
Egypt, this is what you get from him when he can't respond to your questions. Hissy fits. He'll be crying to his mother next.
concerned in Eygpt

Aberdeen, UK

#20145 Feb 14, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Egypt, this is what you get from him when he can't respond to your questions. Hissy fits. He'll be crying to his mother next.
Thanks for the Encouragement.

No worries though like water of a duck.

My reason as I have stated many times since 2007 coming to these LDS threads is to post through the LDS to seekers who are wondering what they are all about.

Like you have posted they don't' tell would be converts what they really believe and like it is stated in their Missionary training literature they are not to tell them under the premise they are not ready for meat yet.

Deception is the name of the Game and that is why I am motivated to confront LDS as they will not be up front to would be seekers and tell them the whole thing.

Why Seekers would know they are out to lunch the first time they heard what LDS really believe like B.Y. teaching Adam God doctrine and Father God having physical sex with Mary. J.S. using magic glasses and hat to translate the BOM. LOL that one still makes me laugh.

Those ones they really try to hide or why some are Negros.
Care EnoughTo Google iT

Live Oak, CA

#20146 Feb 14, 2013
concerned in Eygpt wrote:
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Deception is the name of the Game
We can see that by your wholesale denial that Jesus Christ is a man;

that His father impregnated His mother; that His Father even IS His

Father.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20147 Feb 14, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Are you trying to claim the the first vision is a "scientific fact"? The Book of Mormon? You swallow those fantasies, hook, line, and sinker. We believe that a man had sex with his so-called wives. What is more likely to be true? The first vision, or that he screwed women he claimed the Lord wanted him to marry?
We are two peas from the same pod, we're not buying Smith's or your BS. "Run Forrest, run!"
lol...no, no, no. No twisting what I said. Respond to what I said or don't but don't twist it off to some other discussion. You want to start another discussion just do it.
I stated... "lol...that's funny coming from a guy that say's it's God's honest truth that rumours are as factual and true as God's own words are...lolol.
You and Egypt are two peas from the same pod. You both believe second hand information and rumours are just like scientifically proven facts...well you two just keeping on thinking the way you do...lol."
You two have claimed rumours and second hand and hearsay information as facts. You have been claiming this for months. I stated a fact that you have been doing and you get bent out of shape for what reason?

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#20148 Feb 14, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you trying to claim the the first vision is a "scientific fact"? The Book of Mormon? You swallow those fantasies, hook, line, and sinker. We believe that a man had sex with his so-called wives. What is more likely to be true? The first vision, or that he screwed women he claimed the Lord wanted him to marry?
We are two peas from the same pod, we're not buying Smith's or your BS. "Run Forrest, run!"
Next. I have told you my opinion of this so I will say it once more.
Did Smith have sex with his wives? More than likely.
Can I prove he had sex with these wives? No.
Should I believe as you and others (and as I once also believed) that he had sexual relations with over thirty women in a three year period, for what may have been hundreds of instances? When other elders with only a few to several wives, were having a few to several kids by all their wives in the same time period and Smith had none by his, should I believe sexual relations were happening? When science has proved so far that not a single living descendant exists from any of these wives should I still claim as you sexual relations happened?
I think not. Wisdom dictates believe in evidence where evidence exists. Evidence exists that Smith and Emma had many, many children. That is uncontested evidence they were having sex. It also means they had sex a lot in their marriage. That's evidence to show sexual activity.
Unfortunately we have no children by any other wife of Smith. That leads doubt to sexual activity as people like you claim was taking place. And all the rumours and hearsay mean absolutely nothing. All the rumours and hearsay have proved absolutely nothing.
So did Smith have sex with his wives? It would be a normal thing if he did.
So do facts exist to prove Smith had sex with thirty plus wives in a three year period? No. Nothing exists to prove a single instance of sexual activity took place.
So I wait for facts to make their appearance. That's the wise thing to do :)

“Mystical Atheism for everyone!”

Since: Nov 08

El Cerrito California

#20149 Feb 14, 2013
Here is a site sharing some information about the nature of the Later Day Saints and their beliefs.

Familiarizing yourself with what they actually believe will dismiss any claims they might make about being Christian:

http://www.mormonthink.com/introductionweb.ht...

Of course it isn't just the Mormons.

Jesus warned of people like Paul and Joseph Smith that would claim to be followers of Jesus but would teach falsehoods.

Unfortunately here are not a lot of true Christians on the planet today.

Churches that appeal to the fleshly greed and lust in man are much more popular.

True Christianity is based on the OMNIPRESENT GOD of the Hebrew Scriptures that Jesus taught is LOVE.

The many false religions that claim to be Christian reject the Jewish GOD and by doing so reject Jesus who was after all, Jewish.

We all need to get informed as to the evil nature of the Roman hoax of Christianity and it's many derivatives that deny the Jewish GOD and the Jewish Jesus and get involved in restoring true Christianity based on the OMNIPRESENT GOD of Israel to humanity that is even now being found to be in accord with the latest scientific findings concerning the nature of the Cosmos!

GOD is LOVE. WE are ALL ONE WITH GOD, even the unloving!

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