Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 31997 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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Wisdom

Rochester, KY

#19262 Dec 8, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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You don't know LDS history.
You base your theory upon two primary false assumptions:
First off, the Gospel of Jesus Christ is not a false religion.
Secondly, the LDS Church has never made any attempt to isolate believers. In fact, quite the opposite is true. Wherever the LDS Church has based it's operations, it has always interacted with the local community, as well as sending emissaries out worldwide to make it's message, presence, and location known.
The "Mormons" did not move to Utah, because Utah did not yet exist. The "Mormons" moved out of the United States into undeclared territory, because they were constantly harassed, threatened, had their property stolen and destroyed, and were even murdered, because their religious beliefs differed from those around them.
Very similar to what happened with the early church, including Christ's disciples.
Church leadership was unsuccessful in obtaining legal redress from civil government, and became tired of constantly having to move and rebuild, so a more permanent solution was sought. By all accounts, that solution was quite successful, in that the church was able to build and grow into a more stable opposing force by the time the U.S. government came around to enveloping them again.
The very existence of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints today, and it's growth worldwide, is testament to the success of inspired decisions made by the LDS pioneers who moved the church west.
All any of you Mormons need to do is name ONE false prophet of any cult at any time in history that did NOT have these four things in common.
1. Man said he is God or has a new message from God.
2. Same man always makes himself the leader.
3. The leader always isolates his followers from the outside world.
4. There is always some type of sexual perversion.

Since: May 10

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#19263 Dec 8, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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No, I've got you dead center in my sights.
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A smoking, drinking Mormon is anything but spiritually OK. He certainly shows the church isn't true, by the way he lives his life. Praising Mormonism is booze in one hand and a cigar in the other. That's a joke.
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There's never any conflict doing the work of the Lord. You should try it sometime.
Except that you claim to support gay rights, while the leaders of your church send out their official spokesmen to condemn gays to death:

http://www.change.org/petitions/salvation-arm...

Nope. No conflict there.

Major Craibe sounds like a lot of Islamic Clerics:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11635...

Since: May 10

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#19265 Dec 8, 2012
Hey ya'all!

Postum is back!

http://postum.com/

Since: May 10

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#19266 Dec 8, 2012
NoMo wrote:
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Ur cult just admitted being gay isn't a choice..are u crushed yet, militia man?
Don't know what cult yer talkin' about.

But this might interest you:

http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/salvation-...

Since: Oct 08

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#19268 Dec 8, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Don't know what cult yer talkin' about.
But this might interest you:
http://www.gaystarnews.com/article/salvation-...
This one....u know, the one with a profit and his quorum of lizards.

http://www.mormonsandgays.org/

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#19269 Dec 8, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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Except that you claim to support gay rights, while the leaders of your church send out their official spokesmen to condemn gays to death:
http://www.change.org/petitions/salvation-arm...
Nope. No conflict there.
Major Craibe sounds like a lot of Islamic Clerics:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11635...
Nope, no conflict, because I'm not here saying the Army isn't homophobic. I'm not claiming it's "the only true church." I'm not blind to it's problems, like you are to Mormonism.

Since: May 10

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#19270 Dec 8, 2012
NoMo wrote:
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This one....u know, the one with a profit and his quorum of lizards.
http://www.mormonsandgays.org/
Nah. Never heard of it.

Since: May 10

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#19271 Dec 8, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Nope, no conflict, because I'm not here saying the Army isn't homophobic. I'm not claiming it's "the only true church." I'm not blind to it's problems, like you are to Mormonism.
You are the one who works for the Salvation Army. You know, the church where they say gays deserve death?

What rank do you hold?

As for the LDS Church, I don't "claim" it to be the "only true church"...I know it for fact.

www.lds.org

Since: Oct 08

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#19272 Dec 8, 2012
Cary L Nickel wrote:
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You are the one who works for the Salvation Army. You know, the church where they say gays deserve death?
What rank do you hold?
As for the LDS Church, I don't "claim" it to be the "only true church"...I know it for fact.
www.lds.org
So, u now agree with your lizard leaders that being gay isn't a choice? I bet BKP has his depends in a twist over this!

Since: May 10

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#19273 Dec 8, 2012
NoMo wrote:
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So, u now agree with your lizard leaders that being gay isn't a choice? I bet BKP has his depends in a twist over this!
Don't know 'em. Friends of yours?

Since: May 10

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#19274 Dec 8, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
<quoted text>All any of you Mormons need to do is name ONE false prophet of any cult at any time in history that did NOT have these four things in common.
1. Man said he is God or has a new message from God.
2. Same man always makes himself the leader.
3. The leader always isolates his followers from the outside world.
4. There is always some type of sexual perversion.
Say what?

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19275 Dec 8, 2012
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>..so when it's legal for to be gay, are u going to hug the closet and refer to evergreen?? Clinging to that hate makes u sooo bitter. Be happy, u can be free soon !
You're fuelled by so much hate and animosity that I find it incredible those traits haven't caused you to break the law or commit suicide.
By the way, at present for the past several years I have been enjoying celibacy. Quite nice actually. So I have my happiness established already thank you :)

“I will not keep calm”

Since: Mar 08

Raise hell...change the world

#19276 Dec 8, 2012
Wisdom wrote:
<quoted text>All any of you Mormons need to do is name ONE false prophet of any cult at any time in history that did NOT have these four things in common.
1. Man said he is God or has a new message from God.
2. Same man always makes himself the leader.
3. The leader always isolates his followers from the outside world.
4. There is always some type of sexual perversion.
My only question to you is this. I worship.my heavenly father. I was given salvation through Jesus Christ. Just as we all have. I teach my children to worship the same as me. Teach them right from wrong. No matter how I accomplish this or how I choose to live my life that doesn't change. So how exactly does me being Mormon change that???
No.matter my religion, blood was shed on the cross for me just as it was for you.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19277 Dec 8, 2012
NoMo wrote:
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Cute.. The hate u spew in the name of exgayness makes me feel sorry for u.
Are you high? Drunk? On medication? It would explain you thinking I spew the hate and rage and vile speech that are a daily common part of your own being, especially in these threads where you wear that hate and rage like a badge of honour or what ever.
Turn your sorrow for yourself, you need it worse then I'll ever need it.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19278 Dec 8, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Again, you need to learn how to read. I fight Mormonism, not Mormons. It['s funny that the best representatives of the Mormon church that can be found here are both jack Mormons who are the bottom of the barrel in the eyes of the church.
Pathetic.
Liar...lol. You better go back and read what you say to people claiming to be Mormons in this thread. You fight with them and against them concerning their beliefs. You still use vile and derogatory remarks as part of your "missionary" language to prove you're fighting against them, not explaining anything ton them. There is a difference you know :)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19279 Dec 8, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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You are a drama queen, aren't you? I'm the same as the Jews going after Jesus? Do you see me calling for the death of Mormons here? I don't advocate violence, I don't even want to pass laws to outlaw Mormonism, but I'm on the same level as those in the past who have killed, murdered, and raped. You'll get over it baby. You are total wussies. LOL!
You know that post only made sense to you correct? And apparently you have forgotten the malevolent remarks you made of Smith and other Mormons in dozens of pages past? The remarks of how much you hated and detested him, that he should have been strung up etc? And you don't advocate violence?
Let's go over this simple fact for you. Hate speech is a form of violence, mental violence in this case. And all the hate speech you typed out for Smith and other leaders for pages past advocated violence from yourself for them of who you spoke of.
And if a law were being put to the public vote to outlaw Mormonism, you'd be the first in line to make a vote liar, so don't say you wouldn't want laws to be passed to outlaw Mormonism. You have a malevolent hated that runs deep and black in your soul for all things Mormon. At least be truthful as you have wrote it.
What didn't you understand of what I said? Your a mirror image of the Jews that wanted Jesus imprisoned and or dead. If you had been one of the adult males alive in June of 1844 with your present mental violent hatred for Smith, crazy with mob mentality on June 27th, you would have been at the front of that pack in that jail with a pistol to kill Smith. And you would have felt justified to have shot anyone in that jail cell because of the hate and rage you carry for Smith.
You have not a clue of the filthy disgusting vile violence you have spewed for a guy you never knew and have judged as if you knew him intimately from personal experiences.
Justify your hate and rage for all things Mormon as you do but one day you'll have to justify those thoughts and feelings to your maker.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#19280 Dec 8, 2012
NoMo wrote:
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So, u now agree with your lizard leaders that being gay isn't a choice? I bet BKP has his depends in a twist over this!
They have said being gay is a choice. You reversed what they said, not them.
By the way, having an attraction to one or both sexes isn't a choice. But acting on that attraction as one matures, that's a choice no matter what your sexual orientation is. Get it yet?

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#19281 Dec 8, 2012
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>They have said being gay is a choice. You reversed what they said, not them.
By the way, having an attraction to one or both sexes isn't a choice. But acting on that attraction as one matures, that's a choice no matter what your sexual orientation is. Get it yet?
Re-read their statement...u wasted all that effort, all those long years.. for nothing. After being kicked out, u still cling to the shame..it's really sad. They really brainwashed u into hating yourself right into the closet. A therapist would be very beneficial.

Since: Sep 12

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#19282 Dec 8, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Not hardly. Perhaps one of the most damaging evidences that Joseph Smith did not see the Father and the Son in 1820, to those who believe in the restoration of the Priesthood, is the fact that in the year 1832 Joseph Smith claimed to have a revelation which stated that a man could not see God without the Priesthood. This revelation is published as Section 84 of the Doctrine and Covenants. In verses 21-22 we read:
"And without the ordinances thereof, and the authority of the priesthood, the power of godliness is not manifest unto men in the flesh;
"For without this no man can see the face of God, even the Father, and live."
You are misinterpreting the verse. The word "this" in verse 22 refers to "the power of godliness", not the Melchizedek Priesthood. The Lord explains in Doctrine and Covenants 67:11 that "no man has seen God at any time in the flesh, except quickened by the Spirit of God." Spirit of God being the power of godliness manifest.

The power of God was manifest when Joseph Smith was transfigured during the First Vision. Orson Pratt's 1840 account states that the pillar of fire or light "continued descending slowly, until it rested upon the earth, and [Joseph Smith]was enveloped in the midst of it."

Since: Sep 12

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#19283 Dec 8, 2012
Dana Robertson wrote:
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What does the Bible say? The required baptism for salvation is the baptism of the Holy Spirit. Water baptism is never said to be required for your salvation.
Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How can a man be born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother’s womb, and be born? Jesus answered, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born of water and of the Spirit he cannot enter into the kingdom of God.(John 3:3-5)

Note: WATER and of the Spirit

We follow what the ancient Christians taught and believed. Justin Martyr (100-165 A.D) said:
For, in the name of God, the Father and Lord of the universe, and of our Savior Jesus Christ, and of the Holy Spirit, they then receive the washing with water. For Christ also said, "Except ye be born again, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."
( Irenaeus, Ante-Nicene Fathers, edited by Philip Schaff (Christian Literature Publishing Co., 1886)1:574

Irenaeus wrote:
‘And dipped himself,’ says [the Scripture], "seven times in Jordan." It was not for nothing that Naaman of old, when suffering from leprosy, was purified upon his being baptized, but [it served] as an indication to us. For as we are lepers in sin, we are made clean, by means of the sacred water and the invocation of the Lord, from our old transgressions; being spiritually regenerated as new-born babes, even as the Lord has declared:‘Except a man be born again through water and the Spirit, he shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven."
(Clementine Homilies, 11:25–26. In Ante-Nicean Fathers 8:223–347)

The Apostolic Constitutions says
Nay, he that, out of contempt, will not be baptized, shall be condemned as an unbeliever, and shall be reproached as ungrateful and foolish. For the Lord says: "Except a man be baptized of water and of the Spirit, he shall by no means enter into the kingdom of heaven." And again: "He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.”
(Apostolic Constitutions, 6:15 Ante-Nicene Fathers, edited by Philip Schaff (Christian Literature Publishing Co., 1886)7:456–457)

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