Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Oct 12, 2011 | Posted by: roboblogger | Full story: CNN

Editor's note: Dean Obeidallah is an award-winning comedian who has appeared on TV shows such as Comedy Central's "Axis of Evil" special, ABC's "The View," CNN's "What the Week" and HLN's "The Joy Behar Show." He is executive producer of the annual New York Arab-American Comedy Festival and the Amman Stand Up Comedy Festival.

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And by the way, your cult did exactly those things to gay men and children. It's still going on..I listened to someone stand up and tell his experiences of Evergreen in 2006. By the time he stopped speaking, everyone in the room was crying. Go ask your bishop..ask him for brochures about Evergreen.
#1 I doubt this "someone" was telling the truth or you are lying completely about the matter again.

#2 Evergreen " is independent of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_Intern...

#3 I'm pretty sure that it's illegal to attach electrodes to someones genitals and zap them... who would think this would be constructive anyway?

"Although functioning independently of any church, Evergreen is religiously based around the teachings of LDS Church.

Though not affiliated with the church, the organization sustains the teachings of the church without reservation or exception.

Evergreen ... teaches LDS Church principles to Latter-day Saints and ecclesiastical leaders through working with the church as well as hosting various events, which have included firesides (informal gatherings of church members at night), workshops, and conferences."

That does not sound to me like they perform therapy there. In fact it states:

"Evergreen does not advocate any particular form of therapy" but does provide suggestions on how to choose a therapist and information on individual and group therapy.

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<quoted text> showing gay and straight porn to children,
You've been claiming the above lie for months if not over a year or two.
It's illegal in all 50 states and a federal crime to show pornography to a minor under the age of 18.
So if indeed Evergreen and all these other places YOU HAVE CLAIMED are showing legally defined porn to minors, if you claim you know they do it, than for a fact local and federal authorities would have surely known about it and this company and any other showing illegal porn to children as you claim happened(s) they would have been arrested and shut down. Now that's a fact.
But since this company still exists and operates in one or more communities, that would mean you by your own admittance have factually lied to vindicate your haters heart so you can have something vicious to say of Mormons.
Neither a person nor a company etc can show pornography to a minor and not be arrested if found out. If you wish to assert they haven't been found out you're a liar twice.

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Does everyone enjoy their soap opera? I trundle back through the old 'hood and everyone is still saying the same things, bringing up the same lines, the same rhetoric. I know you do, but really hope everyone has a life outside of TOPIX. Otherwise, it's a pretty wild waste of time.

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The legacy of Joseph Smith continues.
"Did Warren Jeffs order all FLDS women and girls to get pregnant?"
http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/blogspolygblog/5...
Idiot!

Warren Jeffs is not LDS.

The FLDS were driven out because they wouldn't obey the laws of the land.

You need to stop conflating stories to confuse people.

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There's a whole lot of twisting and manipulating stories going on between dana and nomo.

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The guy that spoke was an adult(young tho) at the time..so he "volunteered for it. Supposedly, they don't do it to minors anymore, but they still treat minors. Are you so seriously brain dead that you can't find this, no matter how hard you search??
Yeah, they aren't affiliated..their conferences are in the JS building, they have head lizards in their board and their program is being recommended by bishops to this day.

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Go ask your bishops for ex-gay references..see what info he gives you...or is that a TMI moment for you?

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Shouldn't you be embracing this, making excuses, exceptions, sustaining it? Your head guys totally support it(in more ways than one)...so shouldn't you all be defending this instead of denying it, playing dumb and being jerks?

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The guy that spoke was an adult(young tho) at the time..so he "volunteered for it. Supposedly, they don't do it to minors anymore, but they still treat minors. Are you so seriously brain dead that you can't find this, no matter how hard you search??
Yeah, they aren't affiliated..their conferences are in the JS building, they have head lizards in their board and their program is being recommended by bishops to this day.
https://www.google.com/search...
They don't do it to minors any more? You hear things and you've almost literally sworn on a stack of Bibles for over a year every Mormon kid that even displayed the slightest hint of homosexually in a Mormon home was mentally and physically beaten and then sent to Evergreen to have their balls or twat connected to electrodes followed by electro brain shock therapy.
You have almost literally sworn on a stack of Bibles for over a year that every single Mormon kid that ever committed suicide did it because of homosexuality and not another single reason.
There's no thinking based on reason and fact for you. Everything is to the far left and that's where you keep it. All Mormon kids that commit suicide according to you were homosexuals. All mormon kids that displayed the slightest hint of being homosexual were beatn mentally and physically by parents and family and who knows who else and sent to Evergreen to watch porn and have brain induced electroshock therapy and balls and twat shock therapy. And you have claimed inspite of pornography laws set at 21 and 18, Evergreen and companies like them have been showing illegal porn to children to date.
And you wonder at our skepticism at what you claim to be true when you make out right lies?
Have kids and adults been sent to places like Evergreen for conversion therapy? Obviously yes. But not in the multitudes you lie about.

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Shouldn't you be embracing this, making excuses, exceptions, sustaining it? Your head guys totally support it(in more ways than one)...so shouldn't you all be defending this instead of denying it, playing dumb and being jerks?
Here is the truth about your little story:

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/700182406/...

"The church distinguishes between feelings or inclinations on the one hand and behavior on the other," he continued. "The world wants to label them as gays or lesbians. And when they do, that becomes their identity, that's who they are. As a church, we reject that. Filled with the love of the Lord, we say,'No, that's not who you are. You are a son or daughter of God. That's who you are. Let's start there, and not worry about labels.'&#8201;"

http://www.sltrib.com/sltrib/lifestyle/565153...

1) The Church and Evergreen are unaffiliated

2) Evergreen adopted the LDS morals and standards

3) The men underwent the treatment at a New Jersey center called JONAH, Jews Offering New Alternatives for Healing.

Now... you get your facts right and stop conflating truth with lies to confuse people.

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#1 I doubt this "someone" was telling the truth or you are lying completely about the matter again.

#2 Evergreen " is independent of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (LDS Church)"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evergreen_Intern ...

#3 I'm pretty sure that it's illegal to attach electrodes to someones genitals and zap them... who would think this would be constructive anyway?

"Although functioning independently of any church, Evergreen is religiously based around the teachings of LDS Church.

Though not affiliated with the church, the organization sustains the teachings of the church without reservation or exception.

Evergreen ... teaches LDS Church principles to Latter-day Saints and ecclesiastical leaders through working with the church as well as hosting various events, which have included firesides (informal gatherings of church members at night), workshops, and conferences."

That does not sound to me like they perform therapy there. In fact it states:

"Evergreen does not advocate any particular form of therapy" but does provide suggestions on how to choose a therapist and information on individual and group therapy.

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Mormon 'Gay Cure' Study Used Electric Shocks Against Homosexual Feelings

http://abcnews.go.com/Health/mormon-gay-cures...

John Cameron said he was a naive and devout Mormon who felt "out of sync" with the world, when he volunteered to be part of a study of "electric aversion therapy" in 1976 at Utah's Brigham Young University.

Twice a week for six months, he jolted himself with painful shocks to the penis to rid himself of his attraction to men.

"I kept trying to fight it, praying and fasting and abstaining and being the best person I could," said Cameron, now a 59-year-old playwright and head of the acting program at the University of Iowa.

"I was never actively gay, never had any encounters with men -- never had moments when I failed and actually had sex with other men," he said.

But his undercurrent of feelings put him in direct conflict with the Church of Jesus Christ of the Latter-day Saints (LDS) and its principles.

"As teens we were taught that homosexuality was second only to murder in the eyes of God," he said.

"I was very, very religious and the Mormon church was the center of my life," said Cameron, who had done missionary work in Guatemala and El Salvador.

The 1976 study at Brigham Young, "Effect of Visual Stimuli in Electric Aversion Therapy," was written by Max Ford McBride, then a graduate student in the psychology department.
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"I thought he was my savior," said Cameron, who enrolled with 13 other willing subjects, all Mormons who thought they might be gay, for a three- to six-month course of therapy.

A mercury-filled tube was placed around the base of his penis to measure the level of stimulation he experienced when viewing nude images of men and women.

Shocks, given in three 10-second intervals, were then administered in conjunction with certain images. Participants set their own pain levels.

Cameron said his shame was so deep that he selected the highest level.

"Max didn't do it, we did it," he said. "I was always turning it up to get the most pain because I was desperate."

Homosexuals were seen as a "prurient, expendable population," according to Cameron. "To admit homosexuality in 1976 was the kiss of death. You could be targeted, lose your job, lose your income, lose everything."

And those weren't the only attempted cures that were used in that era. Others allege they were given chemical compounds, which were administered through an IV and caused subjects to vomit when they were stimulated.

Psychologists confirm those harsh experiments were used in a variety of medical settings by scientists of all faiths.

Church officials say they no longer support aversion therapy, but a generation who grew up in the 1970s say they have been scarred for life because of well-intentioned attempts to change their sexual orientation.

Today, the church still steadfastly opposes homosexuality, as witnessed by the millions of dollars in support it gave to pass California's Proposition 8, which would amend the state's constitution to outlaw gay marriage.

Carri P. Jenkins, assistant to the president of BYU, confirmed that McBride did study the effects of aversion therapy in the 1970s. She said the experiment was an "outgrowth of the behaviorist movement, which believed that any behavior could be modified.

"Our understanding is that most behaviorists no longer believe this is an appropriate treatment for those who are seeking change," she said.

To be continued...

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he was a naive and devout Mormon who felt "out of sync" with the world,

when he

VOLUNTEERED to be part of a STUDY of
"electric aversion therapy" in 1976 at Utah's Brigham Young University.

1976 ... today is 2013 = 37 years ago.

DO YOU KNOW HOW MANY STUDIES GO ON AT UNIVERSITIES IN THE WORLD?

This was not part of EVERGREEN. IT WAS A STUDY HE VOLUNTEERED FOR. It was not forced upon him.

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Dana, NoMo,

Update conversation or pay rent for wasting everybody's time.

37 YEARS AGO
VOLUNTARY
EXPERIMENTAL STUDY... come on!

The conversation was about EVERGREEN.

EVERGREEN is not affiliated with any Church. They adopt the Church philosophies...

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"The church distinguishes between feelings or inclinations on the one hand and behavior on the other," he continued.

"The world wants to label them as gays or lesbians. And when they do, that becomes their identity, that's who they are.

As a church, we reject that.

Filled with the love of the Lord, we say,'No, that's not who you are. You are a son or daughter of God. That's who you are. Let's start there, and not worry about labels."

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It says

"Evergreen does not advocate any particular form of therapy"

but does provide suggestions on how to choose a therapist and information on individual and group therapy.

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The men underwent the treatment at a New Jersey center called:

JONAH, Jews Offering New Alternatives for Healing.

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Typically a study is done to find out if a methodology of treatment will work or is working.

EXPERIMENTAL TREATMENT:
"A treatment is said to be experimental

if it is NOT part of established treatment practice,

does NOT feature in current treatment guidelines

or has NOT yet been subject to extensive clinical studies."

"WHEN direct medical RESEARCH EVIDENCE is NOT AVAILABLE, experimental treatment is based on all other available medical knowledge and on the experience of the physician in charge of treatment.

The risks and benefits of treatment are assessed individually on a case-by-case basis. Experimental treatment is not justified if the benefits cannot be properly assessed."

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The greatest commandment is to love one another. I am LDS And I support gay rights. So sue me. This song hits the nail on the head.

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"The church distinguishes between feelings or inclinations on the one hand and behavior on the other," he continued.

"The world wants to label them as gays or lesbians. And when they do, that becomes their identity, that's who they are.

As a church, we reject that.

Filled with the love of the Lord, we say,'No, that's not who you are. You are a son or daughter of God. That's who you are. Let's start there, and not worry about labels."

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I try not to put labels on ppl not ashamed.

No suing necessary.

The person who is close to me who is gay has the right to free agency. I don't support the action, but I support her as an individual.

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