Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 32098 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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sportxmouse

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#25832 May 22, 2013
osirica wrote:
1. Changing his skin to a black person wouldn't help him stand out in any way. Why would you think it would? Why would you assume it's black skin verses any other color? Isn't that racist?
2. Even still, he's targeted not "by accident" but because people would come after him for killing his brother. THEREFORE, people WOULD recognize him, THEN try to kill him.
WHICH MEANS...
Whatever the OWTH.. the SIGN is.. it would be a sign to the OTHERS that God is protecting him. THUS a mere change of skin color would not make such an effect.
But perhaps something supernatural to show his wouldbe killers to back off. Since the Hebrew word OWTH over SIXTY times ELSEWHERE refers to a sign. And those signs are usually miracles.
<quoted text>
Oh right... EVERYONE in this world is colorblind but you.

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#25833 May 22, 2013
osirica wrote:
And thirdly the psychology.
You guys have been saying that I'm the racist.
yet here you are...
so obsessed with having a nice package easy answer that fills your void of racism
"how did that happen genius"
AS IF... I have to have an explanation to REPLACE this racist myth garbage...
that causes YOU and No surprise to take the meaning of "A MARK" and changes it to "THE ENTIRE BODY COLOR CHANGED"
I mean you'd AT LEAST acknowledge, with all of your rigid interpretations... AT LEAST say "Yea Osirica, it's a metaphor"
BUT NO...
Look at you! Sinking!
And your buddy No Surprise? I lobbed two torpedos "Owth" and the Syriac countdown on his candy behind!
<quoted text>
This is what you get when you combine what Dr. Phil calls "Right fighters" with people who have been brainwashed in a cult. A total lack of reasoning.

sportxmouse

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#25834 May 22, 2013
The EGYPTIANS (BLACKS) were the first to ENSLAVE people (HEBREWS).

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#25836 May 22, 2013
osirica wrote:
GOT YOU!
Leviticus 19:28 - does not use the hebrew "OWTH". Uses a different Hebrew word.
Same for the others!
Leviticus 19:28 - "QA'AKA" which was NOT used for Cain. This is the word that WOULD have been used in Hebrew if Cain was actually given a physical mark!
Ruth 3:4 - "QAL" which means to make a "note"!(Mark this down)
1 Sam 1:12 - "SHAMAR" which means to take heed.(Mark my words)
1 Sam 20:20 - "MATTARA" which refers to an easy target,(He's a mark)
NONE OF THESE MATCH YOUR LYING FILTH
I've WAITED for this. You tried and tried to avoid and I forced your hand.
And you know what's so funny? You tried to sneak it by didn't you?
Throw the various hebrew words in for the same "ENGLISH" word.
The English word "mark" has several meanings, some are even homograms. In the END, none of those and none of the Hebrew words for "discoloration" is used to describe black people.
You little PUNK! I finally GOT YOU
<quoted text>
lol....your immaturity almost matches Dana's, just a bit more and you'll have outdone him, keep trying.
My source was a Jewish source for where OWTH is used in the OT. So I suppose I'll just relent and say(in a lie)you know more then the jewish scholars/rabbis interpretation. You win :)

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#25837 May 22, 2013
osirica wrote:
No she's right.
You went and tried to counter by finding various uses of "mark" in English bibles.
yet the issue here isn't the use of "Mark" elsewhere, but in that passage.
Did the word Mark in that passage mean
Physical mark like a tatoo
Mark as in take a note
Mark as in mark my words
Mark as in easy target
and so on?
And despite all that, none of it, not in English or Hebrew refers to changing someone's ENTIRE BODY COLOR. That's not a "mark".
Calling Dana a she? She's a he I believe. You might want to ask him to be sure.
Of the verse, you have an opinion like others. Nothing more, nothing less like others. Accept that fact :)

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#25838 May 22, 2013
osirica wrote:
SO the lesson is, you little white supremacists.
A guy that's a black racist that believes God is a black African who created a black African Adam and Eve and who then in afterthought marked/cursed/created/made to be all other false colours of God for the rest of humans to be is going to call others white supremacists?? lolol....to fricking funny dude....really.

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#25839 May 22, 2013
osirica wrote:
And thirdly the psychology.
You guys have been saying that I'm the racist.
You are a racist. You're a black racist. Everything Biblical to you is black and African in origin from all the people to the present day Jews that are black by genetics but according to you don't realize it. You stated if God had a colour it was black. That a black God obviously created a black race of Africans like himself. And he began with Adam and Eve. And everyone was black and African to way past Abraham and Moses. You stated all other colours and races were 'mistakes' and somehow weren't born to be their real true selves, black Africans.
You're thee most self defined racist that bounces about these threads that exists.

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#25840 May 23, 2013
So what.

No one is saying that God ordained it as a curse against Hebrew (some of which were also BLACK) because of a curse on Cain.

The Egyptians, who were one of MANY black groups in the world, enslaved the Hebrews because the Egyptians at that time were ignorant of God.

You get what I'm saying buddy? Or are you going to play dumb some more?
sportxmouse wrote:
The EGYPTIANS (BLACKS) were the first to ENSLAVE people (HEBREWS).

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#25841 May 23, 2013
No you didn't

All you did was copy English translations of the Bible.

None of your comments related to "OWTH" but instead related to the English "Mark"

I broke it down and here you are hoping to sneak your lie by.

Get your BUTT BACK OVER HERE:

"My source was a Jewish source for where OWTH is used in the OT."

NO IT WAS NOT

YOU DID NOT SHOW SOURCES OF OWTH, YOU QUOTED PASSAGES WITH THE ENGLISH WORD MARK!
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
lol....your immaturity almost matches Dana's, just a bit more and you'll have outdone him, keep trying.
My source was a Jewish source for where OWTH is used in the OT. So I suppose I'll just relent and say(in a lie)you know more then the jewish scholars/rabbis interpretation. You win :)

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#25842 May 23, 2013
What Dana is doing is VERY ethical.
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
This is called lack of ethics and reasoning:
YOU have an ANTI-MORMON SITE where you tell people the following:
"if youre a Mormon who thinks I'm the
Anti-Christ and would like to help me go to hell
sooner by sending me a carton of cigarettes
(Salem 100s please), Contact Me!"
"My Address is:
Dana Robertson
1150 W 1st St.
Merced, CA 95340
or E-Mail Me
Hate Mail Welcomed !!!
Copyright: 2002 by I Hate Mormonism Inc.

sportxmouse

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#25843 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
What Dana is doing is VERY ethical.
<quoted text>
And, you are just dumb!

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#25844 May 23, 2013
That would be, except that is not what I believe.

God is a spirit, not a physical person from any part of Earth.

I've said that to you a million times.

So you lie below... AGAIN.

Your other statements about God making Adam and Eve and then cursing other colors?

Also a lie, I've never talked about others being "false colors" of God. How can any skin color be a "true" color of god in the first place? God is a spirit, not a physical being.

I've explained this to you MULTIPLE TIMES
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
A guy that's a black racist that believes God is a black African who created a black African Adam and Eve and who then in afterthought marked/cursed/created/made to be all other false colours of God for the rest of humans to be is going to call others white supremacists?? lolol....to fricking funny dude....really.

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#25846 May 23, 2013
Nope.

None of that garbage below is what I teach or believe. I believe that Adam/Eve were black because they were created in Africa, and in an environment that is appropriate for darkerskinned people.

There is nothing racist about that. If they were created in the cold mountains, I'd accept that they were white. But that's not the case.

Also, I don't try to push an agenda that whites (the white race) came from a mark and curse on Cain.
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a racist. You're a black racist. Everything Biblical to you is black and African in origin from all the people to the present day Jews that are black by genetics but according to you don't realize it. You stated if God had a colour it was black. That a black God obviously created a black race of Africans like himself. And he began with Adam and Eve. And everyone was black and African to way past Abraham and Moses. You stated all other colours and races were 'mistakes' and somehow weren't born to be their real true selves, black Africans.
You're thee most self defined racist that bounces about these threads that exists.

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#25847 May 23, 2013
You're insisting that black people came from the mark of Cain.

You my dear idiot are the dumb one.
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
And, you are just dumb!

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#25848 May 23, 2013
Collapse!

You got ICED!

Please, so I can stomp you further.... post your supposed Jewish sources!

let us review

GOT YOU!
Leviticus 19:28 - does not use the hebrew "OWTH". Uses a different Hebrew word.
Same for the others!
Leviticus 19:28 - "QA'AKA" which was NOT used for Cain. This is the word that WOULD have been used in Hebrew if Cain was actually given a physical mark!
Ruth 3:4 - "QAL" which means to make a "note"!(Mark this down)
1 Sam 1:12 - "SHAMAR" which means to take heed.(Mark my words)
1 Sam 20:20 - "MATTARA" which refers to an easy target,(He's a mark)
NONE OF THESE MATCH YOUR LYING FILTH
I've WAITED for this. You tried and tried to avoid and I forced your hand.
And you know what's so funny? You tried to sneak it by didn't you?
Throw the various hebrew words in for the same "ENGLISH" word.
The English word "mark" has several meanings, some are even homograms. In the END, none of those and none of the Hebrew words for "discoloration" is used to describe black people.
You little PUNK! I finally GOT YOU
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
lol....your immaturity almost matches Dana's, just a bit more and you'll have outdone him, keep trying.
My source was a Jewish source for where OWTH is used in the OT. So I suppose I'll just relent and say(in a lie)you know more then the jewish scholars/rabbis interpretation. You win :)

“The Pleasure is all MINE”

Since: Aug 08

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#25849 May 23, 2013
My opinion is not rooted in ignorance and bias

Yours and the one you defend... is.

There is nothing in the thing that implies, it goes to a point to where it's not even a mark.

Changing the entire color of something is not placing a mark on it.

It's idiotic, especially even the Hebrew writer outlines the difference.
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Calling Dana a she? She's a he I believe. You might want to ask him to be sure.
Of the verse, you have an opinion like others. Nothing more, nothing less like others. Accept that fact :)

sportxmouse

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#25850 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
You're insisting that black people came from the mark of Cain.
You my dear idiot are the dumb one.
<quoted text>
I have asked you many times... where did they come from... and you have no answers.

I have asked you to provide your evidence to prove your claims...

YET YOU PROVIDE NOTHING...

because all you have is NOTHING, but your opinion and a bigoted attitude.

Oh, and let me guess it's all unfair for you right. Well we came down here... and we all have things we have to go through. You deal with that.

sportxmouse

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#25851 May 23, 2013
osirica wrote:
My opinion is not rooted in ignorance and bias
Yours and the one you defend... is.
There is nothing in the thing that implies, it goes to a point to where it's not even a mark.
Changing the entire color of something is not placing a mark on it.
It's idiotic, especially even the Hebrew writer outlines the difference.
<quoted text>
YES it is. You have one side... poor me I'm black and the world is against me.

Grow up!

Put up or shut up... provide your evidence.

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#25852 May 23, 2013
Now that I've fully established the fact that "owth" doesn't refer in ANY stretch of the imagination to cain's skin being turned to that of a black man...

Here is the next thing.

The racist is the one that would try to insist that Cain was marked and cursed in a way to be the progenator of any race or skin color.

The NON RACIST is the one that refutes the racist. My methods, you don't like, because they put the same garbage you regurgitate back on you.

So it's like this, you don't think it's racist to compare blacks to Cain... but when WHITES are compared, you call THAT racist.

And your excuse? I'm using science and the Bible together to make my point.

YET, the original thesis (cain marked with black skin, progenator of the black race) uses neither bible nor science. It just uses a biased and ignorant opinion, based on NOTHING else.

Obviously the person using some kind of evidence and sources is more objective.

The racist (you) try to reinterpret other areas of the Bible to somehow make a link supporting the biased opinion.

You are in effect defending a racist biased opinion.
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
You are a racist. You're a black racist. Everything Biblical to you is black and African in origin from all the people to the present day Jews that are black by genetics but according to you don't realize it. You stated if God had a colour it was black. That a black God obviously created a black race of Africans like himself. And he began with Adam and Eve. And everyone was black and African to way past Abraham and Moses. You stated all other colours and races were 'mistakes' and somehow weren't born to be their real true selves, black Africans.
You're thee most self defined racist that bounces about these threads that exists.

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#25853 May 23, 2013
This is the screwed up post that did you in.

This is where you collapsed
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
"OWTH is only used in KJV to translate as a mark in THAT passage."
You do see why I took your sentence to mean what it said? Thankyou for the clarification :)
Passages using "mark" from the word 'owth' in the KJV...
Genesis 4:15
And the Lord said unto him, Therefore whosoever slayeth Cain, vengeance shall be taken on him sevenfold. And the Lord set a mark upon Cain, lest any finding him should kill him.
Leviticus 19:28
Ye shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor print any marks upon you: I am the Lord.
Ruth 3:4
And it shall be, when he lieth down, that thou shalt mark the place where he shall lie, and thou shalt go in, and uncover his feet, and lay thee down; and he will tell thee what thou shalt do.
1 Samuel 1:12
And it came to pass, as she continued praying before the Lord, that Eli marked her mouth.
1 Samuel 20:20
And I will shoot three arrows on the side thereof, as though I shot at a mark.

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