Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

There are 31997 comments on the CNN story from Oct 12, 2011, titled Who says Mormons aren't Christians?. In it, CNN reports that:

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“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24406 Apr 26, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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Most would think, they would think that someone your age would have set the child inside of themselves to the wayside to be/speak as an adult. Most would be incorrect of you as you so willing prove it's easier for you to respond as a child than an actual adult. You have given reason for your immature responses. Good job :)
When talking to a child like you, I post as a child so you can comprehend. Comprehension is a problem for you.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24407 Apr 26, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
Just to say, as a child I understood perfect meant a state of no-blemish, no-change/no-corruption by our definition. So to me that meant God's colour was consistent and unvarying. That meant not a person on this earth reflected God's true colour. Simple to understand.
Well, if LDS teachings are correct. he certainly wasn't dark skinned, because dark skin is the sign of a curse.

This is the kind of idiotic conversation you get when you start believing that God is a glorified man. It also makes your religious beliefs wrong.

Romans 1:21-23 (NASB)

21 For even though they knew God, they did not honor Him as God or give thanks, but they became futile in their speculations, and their foolish heart was darkened. 22 Professing to be wise, they became fools, 23 and exchanged the glory of the incorruptible God for an image in the form of corruptible man...

Mormonism is no different than the Greeks and Romans in that aspect.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24408 Apr 26, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
My statement is a pure a simple fact... No SCIENTISTS during Adam and Eve's time!
Thus, who is to prove the oldest remains found are from our Adam and Eve?
This is your brain on Mormonism.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24409 Apr 26, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
All I am saying is color does not matter to me...
However, this whole conversation is just speculation on theories.
It doesn't matter to you as long as you can pretend they weren't black. LOL!!!

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24410 Apr 26, 2013
NoMo wrote:
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I hope this helps, dear.
http://lmgtfy.com/...
That's a neat trick. How did you do that?

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#24411 Apr 26, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
Oh? Is that what all that racist babble meant? Cool
From your extreme thinking yes. From the teaching of Christianity for over too many centuries it was theory to them other's used for reasons of prejudice, racism and bigotry to enslave black Africans.
Once slavery ended, it returned to being theory because the theory couldn't be used to enslave people any more.
So now extremists like you, Dana and others think if one considers that God has the power to curse a person, to you they don't understand God can't do what you claim he can't and that's your fact because God does what you tell him to do and he won't do what you tell him not to do.
That's what all your racist babble meant. Any other questions?

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#24412 Apr 26, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
That's a neat trick. How did you do that?
Google "let me google that for you"
Some people just beg for it:)

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#24413 Apr 26, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
From your extreme thinking yes. From the teaching of Christianity for over too many centuries it was theory to them other's used for reasons of prejudice, racism and bigotry to enslave black Africans.
Once slavery ended, it returned to being theory because the theory couldn't be used to enslave people any more.
So now extremists like you, Dana and others think if one considers that God has the power to curse a person, to you they don't understand God can't do what you claim he can't and that's your fact because God does what you tell him to do and he won't do what you tell him not to do.
That's what all your racist babble meant. Any other questions?
Really...or you are a Klan member wrapping yourself in Mormonism.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#24414 Apr 26, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Of course you disagree, you are always the faithful spokesman for Mormonism. But Peter's lying wasn't a gospel principle, neither was doubts about the resurrection. The teaching that black skin was a curse from God was one of the founding principles of Mormonism, it is still in their scriptures. Today, you still don't find any rejection of that teaching. NoMo was just telling a basic fact about Mormonism.
Peter was the head apostle of the church.
Peter denied knowing Jesus three times.
Peter denied having involvement in Jesus's church three times.
Peter denied ever having had a faith in Jesus three times.
Peter in denying jesus denied the church Jesus set forth through him and eleven other apostles and denied the son of God set it forth by the power of God.
Peter's denial shattered gospel principles he helped to establish by denying he ever knew and or believed in Jesus and his teachings.
The resurrection Jesus taught his apostles and disciples that would happen to him, it was a principle of his gospel and most all the apostles doubted and didn't believe it happened.
The teaching that black skin was a curse from God wasn't one of the founding principles of Mormonism. You can never prove that. Smith was baptizing blacks into his church and blessing the males with the priesthood. Smith didn't speak a lot of that curse. The founding principles of Mormonism was the BOM, not the curse of Cain, bad try dude.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#24415 Apr 26, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
When talking to a child like you, I post as a child so you can comprehend. Comprehension is a problem for you.
lol, you liar. You pathetic childish liar. I'm going to go back in your posts, count how many you made and establish how often you revert to you childish mentality for responses.

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#24416 Apr 26, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
LETTERS FROM McKAY TO CHURCH MEMBERS REGARDING McCONKIE’S “MORMON DOCTRINE” AND OTHER BOOKS PUBLISHED BY INDIVIDUAL GENERAL AUTHORITIES

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
47 E. South Temple Street
Salt Lake City, Utah
David O. McKay, President

February 3, 1959

Dr. A. Kent Christensen
Department of Anatomy
Cornell University Medical College
1300 York Avenue
New York 21, New York

Dear Brother Christensen:

I have your letter of January 23, 1959 in which you ask for a statement of the Church’s position on the subject of evolution.

The Church has issued not official statement on the subject of the theory of evolution.

Neither ‘Man, His Origin and Destiny’ by Elder Joseph Fielding Smith, nor ‘Mormon Doctrine’ by Elder Bruce R. McConkie, is an official publication of the Church....

Sincerely yours,

[signed]

David O. McKay
(President)”

___

“The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
47 East South Temple Street
Salt Lake City, Utah
David O. McKay
September 24, 1964

Dr. Lorenzo Lisonbee, Science Consultant
Phoenix Union High School System
District Adminstration Annex
2042 West Thomas Road
Phoenix, Arizona (85015)

Dear Dr. Lisonbee :

President McKay, who is recuperating at home under doctors’s orders from his recent illness, has asked me to acknowledge for him your letter of September 8, 1964.

I have been directed to say that individual General Authorities of the Church publish books on their own responsibility, the publishing of which is not regarded as Church approval of the books. The Church approves only books which have been authorized for publication by the General Authorities of the Church, such as the Standard Works of the Church and authorized textbooks adopted by official action of the Church for the Priesthood and the organizations fo the Church.

Sincerely yours,

[signed]

Clare Middlemiss
Secretary to:
President David O. McKay”

http://www.exmormon.org/mormon/mormon193.htm

The truth is, "Mormon Doctrine" was a treasure for critics of Mormonism. Now I understand it isn't to be published any longer.
Very interesting indeed. My copy is a second edition, 1966; 36th printing, 1992.

Under preface it has Bruce McConkie's original preface, dated June 1, 1958. Under that it states...
Second Edition
"From the time the first copies came from the press, this compendium of 'Mormon Doctrine' has found a wide and gratifying acceptance among doctrinal students in all parts of the Church. In publishing this Second Edition, as common with major encyclopedic-type works, experience has shown the wisdom of making some changes, clarifications, and additions.
Salt Lake City
September 1, 1966
Bruce R. McConkie

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#24417 Apr 26, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, if LDS teachings are correct. he certainly wasn't dark skinned, because dark skin is the sign of a curse.
Wrong answer. You're not considering the Bible's own insinuated possibilities.
If Adam and Eve came out of the garden as Caucasians or tanned or even brown or yellow and clothed in skins by God for protection and modesty reasons, if the part of earth they were removed to was warm to hot and sunny like our equator climates 12 months a year, their skin would have darkened to protect them from the strength of the sun's rays. So their initial skin colour would never have been again after being darkened by the sun.
So with God being so angry/mad/pissed and sad at Cain for having murdered his innocent brother, the story insinuates when others found out what Cain did they would try to take his life. So the story insinuates God had to think of something for punishment and, at the same time he had to think of something as a protection for Cain so others wouldn't take his life for what he did.
The story insinuates that God decided to protect Cain by way of a sign that people would recognize as something totally different about Cain that they didn't share among themselves physically.
So even if Adam and Eve and the people were tan to brown, a person with black like skin would have stood out regardless.
If the opposite was true that Adam and Eve and the people were black, then a lighter skin colour would have been used for the curse and Caucasians in general would have had a genealogy trace to an area where they dwelt that was cool and they would have had a history of having been made slaves by blacks and the entire history of the Bible would be reversed. But it wasn't written that way. So we have to address the way it was written with guesses of what we think the sign was.

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#24418 Apr 26, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
lol, you liar. You pathetic childish liar. I'm going to go back in your posts, count how many you made and establish how often you revert to you childish mentality for responses.
How scary! You keeping j Edgar files with different topix posters comments is seriously sad..has this become the highlight of your day? if so..please seek help. Posting on Topix is not a social life.

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#24419 Apr 26, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Well, if LDS teachings are correct. he certainly wasn't dark skinned, because dark skin is the sign of a curse.
One more thing you need to consider as even so many others don't consider when speaking of this "curse".
Opinions of the curse and mark of Cain are one thing. But what the Bible and Mormon scriptures say is something else. The mark of Cain as spoken of in the Bible and in the PoGP was never called a curse itself. The dark skin colour of the lamanites wasn't called a curse either. Mormon doctrine actually teaches the mark of Cain and the mark of the Lamanites was for a sign/warning to others.
It was a curse to Cain that God had made him a vagabond to wander the earth and for the earth to not be a resource for Cain to get crops from as it once gave him. The earth was cursed for Cain. Not having the priesthood was a curse.
From the web...according to the scriptures and not opinions...
Book of Mormon

"... wherefore, as they were white and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them (2 Nephi 5:21)."

Book of Moses (Pearl of Great Price)

"... there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people ...(Moses 7:8)."

"And ... they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them (Moses 7:22)."

Book of Abraham (Pearl of Great Price)

"... from Ham, sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land (Abraham 1:24)."

"Now the first government of Egypt was established by Pharaoh, the eldest son of Egyptus, the daughter of Ham,... Noah, his father, who blessed him with the blessings of the earth,... but cursed him as pertaining to the Priesthood.

"Now, Pharaoh being of the lineage by which he could not have the right of Priesthood,...(Abraham 1:26-27)."

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#24420 Apr 26, 2013
In Mormon Doctrine, I read the following topics about Adam, Ancient of Days, Eve, Fall of Adam, First Flesh, First Man, Pre-existence, the War in Heaven, and Negroes. Nowhere in those topics did it mention anything concerning Adam and Eve's race and, or color. Not did it mention anything about the blacks being cursed with black skin for being less valiant in the pre-existence.

Under the topic of Negroes it stated the following: "As with all men, Negroes are the mortal descendants of Adam and the spirit children of the Eternal Father. They come to earth to gain mortal bodies and to be subject to the probationary experiences of this present life." It goes on to say: "In all past ages and until recent times in this dispensation, the Lord did not offer the priesthood to the Negroes. However, on June 1, 1978, in the Salt Lake Temple, in the presence of the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve, Pres. Spencer W. Kimball received a revelation from the Lord directing that the gospel and the Priesthood should now go to all men without reference to race or color."

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#24421 Apr 26, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>I doubt the GA's would approve of "F**k the Police." My favorite P.E. song:

What You Need Is Jesus
Artist: Public Enemy
Album: He Got Game

[Charles Barkley] Halleluja Jesus Halleluja!

Now here's the pop turnaround jumper
Hits the rim bounce away the new slave trade.
Manchild six feet five but juvenile.
Thin line between getting bucks and gettin wild.
Brooklyn style hundred thousand miles.
Parque tiles leavin ankles broke in a pile.
Son got a ticket to fly he can make it if he try
To the sky like a Coney Island ride.
Gettin pages, from his super agent,
Community raises at the clout or the cages.
No doubt, center stages, mad phases,
>From behind crazies flippin through the faces.
Paper chases, love that many places.
Pros and cons, flics between the races.
He hold the rock, call for sweat shops.
Guard the set shop replaced by sex shops.
The highest bidder, no room for the quitter.
Gave seven tickets, under counterfittas.
Three cities a week, droppin needles.
Like the black Beatles take heed, what you need is...

[Chorus:]
Jesus (The incredible)
Jesus (And in your existence, huh)
Jesus(The incredible, yea)
Jesus(Check it out)

Crack my picture, never swith up.
Smack the back ups, pack them pick ups.
Resurrection of the two man vocal section.
The spirit in your dark ass direction.
Duckin them spray ups on my way that i thought be lay ups.
Won the battle wars, a thousand one push ups.
Here marks the return of them rules about Ruff Ryders.
Risin, chargin hard from the point guard.
Watch what you prey for, but know the team that you play for.
Need I say more?
Uh, scared of the resurrection,
Sacrafice yours, them maybe the revolution is basketball.
Changes, generanges. Which means rearrange shit,
Erase shit, stuck on Playstations.
Then the new plantations, I said a millions heads.
Waitin for another nation.
To make your world be free.
No shoppin sprees, there ain't no stoppin me.
Here's the fee, not the weed.
Got to see, God speed. What you need is...

[Chorus 2x]

Sticky D gives you fits, on them turnaround hippocrytes.
Comin and goin like flics.
Hit em net scripts, like a butcher.
Gettin all the chips musta been a road trip against the Knicks.
On T.V. showcasin kicks.
Must be the fan cause his video gettin all the chicks.
Walk up on a replay on Monday.
Sportscenter highlights, last second steal kept em real.
What you need is...
Jesus
Jesus (What you need is)
Jesus
Jesus (What you need is)
Jesus
Jesus (What you need is)
Jesus
Jesus
I don't approve of "F**k the Police" either since I was one.:-)

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#24422 Apr 26, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
This is the kind of idiotic conversation you get when you start believing that God is a glorified man. It also makes your religious beliefs wrong.
lol...that's a bit funny coming from a guy that states his god prayed to itself often and for help, didn't have the power to do things as a single being so it created two extra personalities to handle all the issues, declared one personality was more powerful than the other personality, allowed two personalities to be seen but kept one personality totally invisible. Yeah dude, you have a lot to stand on for making sense of God, you go!

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#24423 Apr 26, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
One more thing you need to consider as even so many others don't consider when speaking of this "curse".
Opinions of the curse and mark of Cain are one thing. But what the Bible and Mormon scriptures say is something else. The mark of Cain as spoken of in the Bible and in the PoGP was never called a curse itself. The dark skin colour of the lamanites wasn't called a curse either. Mormon doctrine actually teaches the mark of Cain and the mark of the Lamanites was for a sign/warning to others.
It was a curse to Cain that God had made him a vagabond to wander the earth and for the earth to not be a resource for Cain to get crops from as it once gave him. The earth was cursed for Cain. Not having the priesthood was a curse.
From the web...according to the scriptures and not opinions...
Book of Mormon
"... wherefore, as they were white and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them (2 Nephi 5:21)."
Book of Moses (Pearl of Great Price)
"... there was a blackness came upon all the children of Canaan, that they were despised among all people ...(Moses 7:8)."
"And ... they were a mixture of all the seed of Adam save it was the seed of Cain, for the seed of Cain were black, and had not place among them (Moses 7:22)."
Book of Abraham (Pearl of Great Price)
"... from Ham, sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land (Abraham 1:24)."
"Now the first government of Egypt was established by Pharaoh, the eldest son of Egyptus, the daughter of Ham,... Noah, his father, who blessed him with the blessings of the earth,... but cursed him as pertaining to the Priesthood.
"Now, Pharaoh being of the lineage by which he could not have the right of Priesthood,...(Abraham 1:26-27)."
Oh, so all that curse stuff is folklore?

Since: Oct 08

Location hidden

#24424 Apr 26, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
In Mormon Doctrine, I read the following topics about Adam, Ancient of Days, Eve, Fall of Adam, First Flesh, First Man, Pre-existence, the War in Heaven, and Negroes. Nowhere in those topics did it mention anything concerning Adam and Eve's race and, or color. Not did it mention anything about the blacks being cursed with black skin for being less valiant in the pre-existence.
Under the topic of Negroes it stated the following: "As with all men, Negroes are the mortal descendants of Adam and the spirit children of the Eternal Father. They come to earth to gain mortal bodies and to be subject to the probationary experiences of this present life." It goes on to say: "In all past ages and until recent times in this dispensation, the Lord did not offer the priesthood to the Negroes. However, on June 1, 1978, in the Salt Lake Temple, in the presence of the First Presidency and the Council of the Twelve, Pres. Spencer W. Kimball received a revelation from the Lord directing that the gospel and the Priesthood should now go to all men without reference to race or color."
And you believe that??

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#24425 Apr 26, 2013
NoMo wrote:
<quoted text>
Really...or you are a Klan member wrapping yourself in Mormonism.
Whatever, at least I'm not declaring what God does and what God doesn't do according to how I think of God's limitations which is what you and Dana state all the time, God's limitations.

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