Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#24060 Apr 23, 2013
Mormons believe and teach the following

Mormon Belief: The Doctrine of the LDS Church
By:
Robert M. Bowman Jr.
Director of Research, Institute for Religious Research.

Jesus Christ organized this world with the help of others, under the direction of Heavenly Father and the Council of the Gods; his helpers included Adam and perhaps Joseph Smith.

The Mormon doctrine of creation is that a plurality of Gods organized the world. Specifically, the Father directed Jesus Christ (called Jehovah) to organize the world from preexisting material, with the help of some of his spirit brothers.

“And they went down at the beginning, and they, that is the Gods, organized and formed the heavens and the earth”(Abraham 4:1; see all of Abraham 4-5).

“God created the earth as an organized sphere; but He certainly did not create, in the sense of bringing into primal existence, the ultimate elements of the materials of which the earth consists, for ‘the elements are eternal’”(Teachings of Presidents of the Church: Joseph F. Smith [1998], 355, quoting Doctrine and Covenants 93:33).

“Although it was the council of the Gods that supervised the Creation, numerous scriptures indicate that Jehovah, the premortal Jesus Christ, was actually given the responsibility for carrying out the work of the Creation, not for this earth alone but also for innumerable others….‘Our great prince, Michael, known in mortality as Adam, stands next to Christ in the eternal plan of salvation and progression…. In the creation of the earth, Michael played a part second only to that of Christ.’…‘It is true that Adam helped to form this earth. He labored with our Savior Jesus Christ. I have a strong view or conviction that there were others also who assisted them. Perhaps Noah and Enoch; and why not Joseph Smith, and those who were appointed to be rulers before the earth was formed?’”(Old Testament Student Manual: Genesis—2 Samuel [1980], 29, quoting Bruce McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, 2nd ed., 491, and Joseph Fielding Smith, Doctrines of Salvation, 1:74-75).

http://mit.irr.org/mormon-belief-doctrine-of-...

This is not Christian and proves again Mormons are not Christians
David

Collierville, TN

#24061 Apr 23, 2013
Your religion teaches polytheism, skin color racism, and teach that Jesus was not Yahweh...

And on top of that, your religion CLAIMS that was what the Jews and original Christians were teaching alllllllll along...

Give me a BREAK! All this yappety yap below doesn't change one iota these three Mormon absurdities!
No Surprise wrote:
From "concerned in Egypt"
If you are seeking prejudiced biased so called truth about the LDS, the Mormon Sect then keep reading. I love prejudicial biased information about Mormons. It's great stuff! See, I don't have the mental capacity to read actual Mormon history/doctrine to make a sound opinion from, that's a waste of my time, know what I mean?
If you want access to verifiable prejudiced biased footnoted sources that you can verify yourself
Then these sites below are for you as all document their assertions with twisted corrupted EVIDENCE Biblical Historical and all are verifiable as prejudiced and biased in heavy overtones. The reason for this is because it's no fun to state actual information that isn't fit to prejudicial biased viewpoints. Don't you agree?
Because the Truth Matters not as long as I and my buds can have something negative to say even if it's a lie, we like to be agitators for God. So even if we lie to prove an irrational point, we have Gods approval to be his liars because lying for our opinions is a matter of truth to us. Understand?
Sometimes it appears, I did say 'appear' vial name callers who are solely here posting on this thread with the direct intent to clutter the pages of this thread so real honest debate cannot take place appears to be ourselves. But that's just a matter of appearance and is just a figment of your imagination, know what I mean?
I mean take the statement by the Smithsonian made in 1980 that they have never used the BOM for information and that what it contains hasn't been proved to exist. That statement was made in 1980. Thirty-three years have passed since that statement. If I was to look at any evidence science has found out about America in the last 33 years, I wouldn't be able to reference what thhe Smithsonian claimed 33 years ago. See my train of thinking? Isn't it devious in a godly way? I think so :)
http://mit.irr.org/category/mormonism-and-chr...
http://www.apologeticspress.org/apcontent.asp...
http://www.leaderu.com/offices/michaeldavis/d...
http://www.mrm.org/
http://www.wivesofjosephsmith.org/
http://www.utlm.org/
http://irr.org/
http://carm.org/
http://contentdm.lib.byu.edu/cdm/search/colle...
http://www.spotlightministries.org.uk/index.h...
David

Collierville, TN

#24062 Apr 23, 2013
Mormon Blasphemy... from Mormon doctrine, something no Jew nor Christian apostle taught!

" 'It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God,' the inspired word continues,'and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did.' The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same." (LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p.64, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)
David

Collierville, TN

#24063 Apr 23, 2013
Lies and Blasphemy!

"God: Creator And Ruler Of Many Worlds.-- While it is true that evolutionists may be divided between theistic and atheistic groups, yet most of those professing belief in God consider him to be an indefinable force, essence, or power of an incomprehensible nature. According to revelation, however, he is a personal Being, a holy and exalted Man, a glorified, resurrected Personage having a tangible body of flesh and bones, an anthropomorphic Entity, the personal Father of the spirits of all men.(D. & C. 130:22- 23; Moses 6:51, 57; Abra. 3:22-24; Jos. Smith 2:16-19.)

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24064 Apr 23, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
From "concerned in Egypt"
To all following this thread
I was just wondering are we to believe that the Christians in this thread believe that when they watch Golf on TV or hear about Golf on TV and and the commentator says he sliced the golf ball are we to believe Christians in this thread actually believe the Golfer pulled out a sharp tool and cut in half the ball like when someone slices a Turkey????
I was wondering when the Weatherman says it rained Cats and Dogs yesterday are we to believe the Christians really believe there are dead dogs and cats decomposing on the streets as they just fell to their deaths from Clouds 30000 feet in the Air???
I was wondering when God Says "And against all the gods of Egypt I will execute judgment" do you really believe that the Christians believe God is going to execute judgement on creatures that are figments of Christian minds that have bodies of Men and a head of a Falcon whose name is Hort, or with a cat head named bastet or a jackals head named Anubus???
No only an insane Christian person would believe the above.
So it begs the Question are the Christians in this thread really that dumb and or insane or is their i real motive to try and sabotage this thread by filling it with nonsense.
Either way they are Evil because they try to suppress the Truth.
He is clearly demonstrating your logic. The insanity is yours.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24065 Apr 23, 2013
David wrote:
Mormon Blasphemy... from Mormon doctrine, something no Jew nor Christian apostle taught!
" 'It is the first principle of the gospel to know for a certainty the character of God,' the inspired word continues,'and to know that we may converse with Him as one man converses with another, and that He was once a man like us; yea, that God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth, the same as Jesus Christ Himself did.' The Father is a glorified, perfected, resurrected, exalted man who worked out his salvation by obedience to the same laws he has given to us so that we may do the same." (LDS Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, A New Witness for the Articles of Faith, p.64, LDS Collectors Library '97 CD-ROM)
Welcome to the debate, David!

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#24067 Apr 23, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
... By the way, if Christianity is wrong, that makes Mormonism even more so. LOL!!!
Wait...

So, you admit Mormon's ARE Christians... then discussion is over. That's what this thread is about. Are we Christians... we all agree, YES.

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#24068 Apr 23, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>Welcome to the debate, David!
Don't you mean , Welcome "back," David (Oserious)?

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#24069 Apr 23, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you mean , Welcome "back," David (Oserious)?
Yup... that is exactly what he meant... even with the "!" behind the David! I was thinking the same thing...

:)
David

Collierville, TN

#24070 Apr 23, 2013
Nope.

There is a concept of what it means to be Christian.

If Mormons are Christian, then so are Muslims...

Muslims believe in Jesus too! Yaaaaaaay!
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait...
So, you admit Mormon's ARE Christians... then discussion is over. That's what this thread is about. Are we Christians... we all agree, YES.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24071 Apr 23, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
Don't you mean , Welcome "back," David (Oserious)?
Don't remember Oserious.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24072 Apr 23, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
<quoted text>
Wait...
So, you admit Mormon's ARE Christians... then discussion is over. That's what this thread is about. Are we Christians... we all agree, YES.
Put down the crack pipe, Carol. you'll never get your temple recommend back smoking that stuff.

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#24073 Apr 23, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>Don't remember Oserious.
Do you remember Osiris?
David

Collierville, TN

#24074 Apr 23, 2013
Hey you guys having a trip down memory lane or you want to actually respond to a comment on the topic?

Osiris was probably putting your mormon theology away too, so good, thanks for the compliment. I hope to meet him sometime.

Since: Sep 12

Ozark, MO

#24075 Apr 23, 2013
David wrote:
Hey you guys having a trip down memory lane or you want to actually respond to a comment on the topic?

Osiris was probably putting your mormon theology away too, so good, thanks for the compliment. I hope to meet him sometime.
Look at your big bad self. Proud as a big ol' peacock as ever...

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#24076 Apr 23, 2013
Livinginthelandofcrazy wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you remember Osiris?
Barely.
David

Collierville, TN

#24077 Apr 23, 2013
Is this what they do everytime someone comes in and debunks them?

They just say that that was the last person that debunked them before?

Oh wow you get a butt whoopin and all you can do is say "oh you're just that guy that whooped my butt before"...

ooooooookkkkkk
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#24078 Apr 23, 2013
Considering Joining the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (Mormon Church)?

Joseph Smith

A Modern-day Prophet of God?

Accepting Joseph Smith’s claims would be less difficult had he been a man of impeccable character. He was not. Instead his story is one of repeated secret sexual affairs with teenage girls and other men’s wives. They acquiesced to their prophet’s advances because Joseph threatened divine punishment if they rejected him. This is not the spiteful charge of critics but the carefully documented findings of Mormon historians.

Is this the sort of man you would trust if he told you that God appeared to him as a 14 year-old boy and told him all other Christian churches were wrong?

Should we simply take Smith’s word when he claims he no longer has the gold plates from which he produced the Book of Mormon because he had to return them to the angel?

more on this goto http://mit.irr.org/in-sacred-loneliness-plura...

Translator or Trickster?

The factual evidence we do have raises doubts about the Book of Mormon’s authenticity. Archaeology refutes the existence of the Pre-Colombian civilization described by the Book of Mormon. DNA evidence refutes the Book of Mormon claim that Native Americans are descendants of Hebrew immigrants to the Americas.

if Joseph Smith’s claims fail where they can be tested by empirical evidence, how wise is it to trust his story where it cannot be verified?

more on tnis goto http://mit.irr.org/book-of-mormon-archaeology...

Joseph bought ancient Egyptian papyri and claimed he could translate them. Joseph’s followers believed his story that the papyri were written by the Abraham of the Bible and should be regarded as long-lost scripture. Later scholars and Egyptologists discovered these papyri were nothing more than common, pagan, Egyptian burial scrolls that do not mention Abraham and date from centuries after his time. More …

Since Joseph fails in his ability as a “translator” of the Book of Abraham when his work is tested, how can we accept the claim that he translated the Book of Mormon from gold plates?

cont...
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#24079 Apr 23, 2013
Trumping the Bible

Mormonism pays lip service to the Bible, but only uses it when and where it appears to support Mormon teachings. Joseph made the baseless claim the Bible was unreliable and missing important parts. This opened the door for Joseph to produce his own revelations. The Mormon Church now claims these “Latter-day revelations” trump the Bible, so if any Mormon scripture conflicts with the Bible the Bible has to be wrong. Is it any wonder almost every Christian denomination considers Mormonism a spurious and counterfeit form of Christianity?

There is a complete lack of evidence from science, the Bible and history to support Mormon claims. No wonder the Mormon Church asks people to ignore objective evidence and rely on their feelings to evaluate the Joseph Smith story. Mormon missionaries make it sound spiritual to pray and ask God if Joseph is a true prophet rather than looking carefully at the life and teachings of their founder. But is it really “spiritual” to try and get a good feeling about something being true, while you ignore all the evidence that points to it being false?

Faith certainly plays an important part in our relationship with God and sincerity is an admirable quality, but God also gave us our minds – does He really expect us to ignore evidence of spiritual fraud and take a blind leap of faith?

If you would like to pursue an objective look at Joseph Smith and Mormon origins we encourage you to explore the following areas:

Joseph’s secret polygamy – evidence from a Mormon scholar
DNA evidence that refutes Book of Mormon claims
Archaeological evidence that undermines Book of Mormon authenticity
Joseph Smith’s strange method of producing the Book of Mormon
Joseph Smith’s ever changing versions of his First Vision story
Places the Book of Mormon contradicts the Bible
A quick comparison of Mormon and Christian teachings

goto

http://mit.irr.org/considering-joining-church...

for the links to these great articles above and start your journey to the truth about the LDS
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#24080 Apr 23, 2013
When they knock at your door.

The Mormon Missionaries will not likely tell you:

According to Mormon Scripture all other churches are in error, all other church creeds are an abomination to God and all those who profess belief in those creeds are corrupt.

The Mormon Church is the only true church on the face of the earth, all other churches are part of the great apostasy, and former Mormon leaders referred to other churches as “hatched in hell.”

The main teachings of the Mormon church on topics like the nature of God and Jesus are radically and irreconcilably different from all other Christian churches and are contradicted repeatedly by clear statements from the Bible.

Joseph Smith told several versions of his first vision, making it bigger and better as he went along. Joseph did not tell the current “official” version of the first vision until 18 years after the supposed event.

Joseph Smith’s discovery and production of the Book of Mormon was rooted in his and his father’s superstitious and occultic practice of digging for money.

Joseph Smith used his reputation and authority as a prophet to convince married women and girls as young as 15 and 16 to become his secret wives – he had at least 30. More ...

The Book of Mormon lacks archaeological, geographical, linguistic, anthropological and biological support for its claims to be an ancient historical text like the Bible. See documented evidence here.

The Book of Mormon contradicts both the Bible and other Mormon Scriptures. This could be why they want you to pray about it instead of investigating it carefully. See examples here.

The “test” to know if the Book of Mormon is true by “praying” about it, is a clever psychological trap. It is set up so if you do not get a subjective confirmation the Book of Mormon is true than the problem is your lack of faith, your lack of real intent or your insincere heart. With their test, there is no way the Book of Mormon can be proved wrong.

The verses they use from the Bible to prove their points are taken out of context or use faulty logic in their interpretation. See one example here.
The secret temple ceremonies so important to Mormon salvation have their origin in Masonic rituals which Joseph Smith and his brother Hyrum

again goto http://mit.irr.org

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