Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

Who says Mormons aren't Christians?

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“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#23976 Apr 22, 2013
sportxmouse wrote:
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Joseph Smith was inspired by Heavenly Father's divine direction to translate the writings of the Nephites into English.
No matter how many times you stamp your feet, pitch a fit, kick and scream... it will never make your defiance and lies true.
You don't believe in research.
You don't believe in God.
You said you would kill Jesus Christ for his teachings.
You called Jesus Christ a Pig, a Retard,
You are not a servant of God.
You are Satan's advocate.
I thank you and No Surprise for continuing to make my point.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#23977 Apr 22, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
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10 Reasons Why Christianity Is Wrong
...common sense tells us that when someone claims the absurd almost anything is more likely to be the case (i.e. they are lying, they are delusional, they are relying on misinformation) than for the absurdity to be real. Men do not miraculously heal the sick, raise the dead, cure the blind, and rise from the grave. The claims of Christianity are prima facie absurd. The burden of proof is on them.
9. Jesus Has Not Returned: This, also, may seem a soft point. However, for 2000 years--80 generations--a substantial number of every single generation of Christians has whole-heartedly believed that Jesus' return was imminent. This often included exact dates that, when they came to pass, did not cause the believers to toss their erroneous ideologies aside. And this perennial incorrectness goes back to the beginning. One can only understand the earliest Christians--the generation immediately following Jesus' death--as a group who were expecting Jesus to return at any moment (I Thess 4:15-17). Why did they believe this? Because, on more than one occasion, Jesus unequivocally said so (Mark 9:1, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:30). Christians have proven to be resolutely imperturbable and incorrigible to their continued failures.
8. God Doesn't Care: Most people believe in God. And, when asked why they believe in God, the most common answer is taken from the argument from design: the universe is too ordered and beautiful to have arisen without an intelligence behind it. Whether or not this is true, this claim has little to do with Christianity. Christianity claims that God not only created the world but also takes an active part in its management, in our moral choices, and in our fates. In other words; He cares. It is this conception of God that bends credulity to the breaking point. God as essence--that is a "first cause" God or a "higher power" God--is a far less difficult concept than God as being. First of all, according to centuries old Christian dogma, God is immutable. In other words He is a static, non-changing "being" that cannot create new beliefs, make inferences, or adjust desires. Secondly the idea of an omniscient, omnipotent "being" having desires borders on the nonsensical. If all things are known--all that ever was, is, or will be--what would be the point of desiring anything? This is not just a simple word game. Christians consistently claim that God "wants" us to believe in him and follow his commandments. However, they also claim that he knows whether we will do so or not. So, what is the point of Him wanting anything? A God as essence is palatable. A God as being is not only ridiculous but likely impossible.(P.S. This one is for the non-predestinarians. If you are a predestinarian there are other reasons you are wrong: see below. However, most Christians are not predestinarians; although, if they care about consistency [not high on the list], they should be.)
You're trying to save Mormonism by proving Christianity is wrong? LOL!!!
Dave Evans

Liverpool, UK

#23978 Apr 22, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
Mormons are mormons believing in john smith and some man they call a modern day prophet. They bible does not mention this prophet at all. Nothing but a bunch of lies.
Its Joseph Smith and the Church is a restoration of the Original Church Jesus Christ set up while on the earth, with restored Priesthood authority, which was lost as prophesied many times in the Bible and would be restored in the latter days.
Yes we have the Book of Mormon, which goes hand and hand with the Bible to be a second witness of Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Redeemer. Kneel and ask God if the Church of Latter day Saints is the one and only true Church on the earth and see what happens... then find our missionaries and be taught truth.
Dave Evans

Liverpool, UK

#23979 Apr 22, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
I do. They do not go by the bible nor does the bible mention mormonism it it. They have created a so called "extension" or another book of the bible calling it the book of mormon. Mormonism was created by a horny man wanting to screw more than one woman so he made it up saying GOD told him to do so. Women fell for it.
Its Joseph Smith and the Church is a restoration of the Original Church Jesus Christ set up while on the earth, with restored Priesthood authority, which was lost as prophesied many times in the Bible and would be restored in the latter days.
Yes we have the Book of Mormon, which goes hand and hand with the Bible to be a second witness of Jesus Christ, our Saviour and Redeemer. Kneel and ask God if the Church of Latter day Saints is the one and only true Church on the earth and see what happens... then find our missionaries and be taught truth.
Dave Evans

Liverpool, UK

#23980 Apr 22, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
<quoted text>The bible does not mention to believe in the book of mormon. Why is that book not in the bible?
Because the Bible is a book of scripture from prophets and our Saviour in the Eastern hemisphere, the Book of Mormon is a book of prophets and our Saviour Jesus Christ from the western hemisphere, so the Bible prophets would not generally have known of the Book of Mormon..
But in Ezekiel 37:16 it says..."Moreover, thou son of man, take thee one stick, and write upon it, For Judah, and for the children of Israel his companions: then take another stick, and write upon it, For Joseph, the stick of Ephraim, and for all the house of Israel his companions" and verse 19 "Say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, I will take the stick of Joseph, which is in the hand of Ephraim, and the tribes of Israel his fellows, and will put them with him, even with the stick of Judah, and make them one stick, and they shall be one in mine hand...
This is fact was a prophetic witness of these two sticks or books that would be one in our hand, so hence we have the Bible (Judah) and Book of Mormon (Joseph or Ephraim)today.
Do you really think God just had prophets write the Bible.. don't forget when the Catholics put the Bible together, they left out loads of records and also Doctrine which they didn't like.
Thankfully the Book of Mormon is a second witness of Jesus Christ, and confirms the Bible is scripture.
Have a read of the Book of Mormon, and then you will know what it talks about.
It was about a family whose Father Lehi was told to leave Jerusalem as it would soon be destroyed. They left Jerusalem 600 years before Christ came, and sailed to the Americas. They took with the the scriptures up to the prophet Jeremiah, so that they would be able to teach their children of God.
Over the years Lehi, and his son Nephi were called as prophets, and wrote down what happened in their life, just as Old testament prophets did, and the Book of Mormon became scripture what God told them to write.
Jospeh Smith had asked God in sincere prayer in a grove of trees which church to join.... he received a vision, that he saw Heavenly Father and Jesus Christ as two separate distinct beings, in human appearance... they told him not to join any Church. Joseph was later visited by an angel,who told him where some gold plates were deposited, which were the writings of these western prophets. He was able to translate the writing, using a urim and thummin. Thats how the Book of Mormon came about, and I tell you it is true scripture, and have revealed truths that were lost from the Bible which were left out by the Catholics. It is very inspired and I would encourage you to read it.
Dave Evans

Liverpool, UK

#23981 Apr 22, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
Me. I say they are not Christians. If you believe in JESUS CHRIST then the buck stops there. NO need to believe in some modern day prophet. What can this prophet do for you that JESUS can't? Does this prophet have powers. To believe in anything other than GOD-JESUS/CHRIST-the bible....outside of those things everything else is wrong.
The Prophet, is God's mouth piece on the earth today.
If Jesus wants to give us a message.. say about stay away from pornography.. which was not such a problem in Jesus' day.. having no internet or iphone.. he will tell his prophet...
We don't worship our prophet, we worship heavenly Father and Jesus Christ, and follow the guidance which the Holy Ghost gives us.
Dave Evans

Liverpool, UK

#23982 Apr 22, 2013
Mommy2Bof3 wrote:
<quoted text>
Who was Moses? Noah? Samuel? Elijah? Jonah? They were prophets. In the Bible. The Bible does mention prophets and revelation. It also claims that God is unchanging. The same yesterday, today, and forever. Well, He revealed His will to man in the past, He continues to do so now, and He will do so in the future. To claim that He HAS changed over time is calling God a liar.
We don't change anything the prophets of old said.. moreover our prophet today confirms what these inspired men said then
Dave Evans

Liverpool, UK

#23983 Apr 22, 2013
fedupwiththemess wrote:
The buck stops with the bible....anything after the bible claiming to be the word of GOD is NOT.
Not true.. It's sad you don't realise that God still speaks to man today. He speaks to me through the Holy ghost following my prayers... etc...
God is not dead.. he lives today, and is just as active speaking to his people today as he was in Bible times... Don't put limits on God blessing us..
Doesn't he answer your prayers?
Dave Evans

Liverpool, UK

#23985 Apr 22, 2013
Kaylee Rae wrote:
<quoted text>
If God is unchanging, then why would he have to add something to the bible? That would be changing what he had originally.
Gods' word is unchanging, but what he said, can be said today albeit in different ways, without changing it's true meaning.. Its great to know that God is alive today, and speaks to us today.

He can speak to us today about how to deal with pornography, how to be tolerant of religions, how to keep the commandments when the world doesn't want you to... for instance most people only keep about 4 of the commandments

It's very shallow to think his words died at revelation.. He speaks today through living prophets and even through the whisperings of the Holy spirit..

You can know this too..
Because

Cornelia, GA

#23986 Apr 22, 2013
Mormon's god was once a man.
Mormon's god lives in a distant galaxy and is flesh and blood.
Mormon's god had physical sex with Mary and their Jesus was conceived.
Lucifer and Jesus are blood brothers, according to Mormons.
Married couples,when they die, inhabit a planet and produce spiritual children.
They believe that man can become a god with good deeds.

That is just a few things Mormons believe, and that is a fact. Now, tell me that they are not a cult.

“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#23987 Apr 22, 2013
The facts about Mormonism, and it's human creator, are clearly obvious and easy to understand so, on Judgment Day, nobody will have any excuse for why they chose to put their faith in lies.(Satan is the Father of Lies).
(next post)

“ Soon: too late to protest”

Since: Jan 09

Location hidden

#23988 Apr 22, 2013
Warnings: Godless ministers, priests, Mormons, televangelists, Jehovah’s...
http://www.topix.com/forum/us/politics/TQPFM8...

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#23989 Apr 22, 2013
I do

Since: Mar 11

Location hidden

#23990 Apr 22, 2013
* Dont

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#23991 Apr 22, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
I thank you and No Surprise for continuing to make my point.
So, you agree with my statement below?

Joseph Smith was inspired by Heavenly Father's divine direction to translate the writings of the Nephites into English.

sportxmouse

“Duty is a Privilege!”

Since: Sep 12

Location hidden

#23992 Apr 22, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
You're trying to save Mormonism by proving Christianity is wrong? LOL!!!
That is inaccurate...

1.The RC inquisition of the Jesuit Society to destroy faith in the Bible.

2.The RC and the Jesuits were deceitful and both have said that the Bible is inaccurate and that only the infallible word of the Pope can be trusted.

3.They forged documents.

4.They infiltrated the Protestant Schools and Churches to manipulate them and discourage faith in the Bible.

5.The RC were head of the Jesuit Society. When a Pope finally got the guts to cut the strings and to dissimulate the Jesuit Society they POISONED the 2 Popes... killing the first Pope before he signed, and making the other extremely sick for a long time. However, he was able to sign.

6.That had nothing to do with Mormons. We believe in Jesus Christ and his word will last forever.

ISAIAH 40:8
8 The grass withereth, the flower fadeth: but the word of our God shall stand for ever.

MATTHEW 24:35
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#23993 Apr 22, 2013
No Surprise wrote:
<quoted text>
10 Reasons Why Christianity Is Wrong
...common sense tells us that when someone claims the absurd almost anything is more likely to be the case (i.e. they are lying, they are delusional, they are relying on misinformation) than for the absurdity to be real. Men do not miraculously heal the sick, raise the dead, cure the blind, and rise from the grave. The claims of Christianity are prima facie absurd. The burden of proof is on them.
9. Jesus Has Not Returned: This, also, may seem a soft point. However, for 2000 years--80 generations--a substantial number of every single generation of Christians has whole-heartedly believed that Jesus' return was imminent. This often included exact dates that, when they came to pass, did not cause the believers to toss their erroneous ideologies aside. And this perennial incorrectness goes back to the beginning. One can only understand the earliest Christians--the generation immediately following Jesus' death--as a group who were expecting Jesus to return at any moment (I Thess 4:15-17). Why did they believe this? Because, on more than one occasion, Jesus unequivocally said so (Mark 9:1, Matthew 26:64, Mark 13:30). Christians have proven to be resolutely imperturbable and incorrigible to their continued failures.
8. God Doesn't Care: Most people believe in God. And, when asked why they believe in God, the most common answer is taken from the argument from design: the universe is too ordered and beautiful to have arisen without an intelligence behind it. Whether or not this is true, this claim has little to do with Christianity. Christianity claims that God not only created the world but also takes an active part in its management, in our moral choices, and in our fates. In other words; He cares. It is this conception of God that bends credulity to the breaking point. God as essence--that is a "first cause" God or a "higher power" God--is a far less difficult concept than God as being. First of all, according to centuries old Christian dogma, God is immutable. In other words He is a static, non-changing "being" that cannot create new beliefs, make inferences, or adjust desires. Secondly the idea of an omniscient, omnipotent "being" having desires borders on the nonsensical. If all things are known--all that ever was, is, or will be--what would be the point of desiring anything? This is not just a simple word game. Christians consistently claim that God "wants" us to believe in him and follow his commandments. However, they also claim that he knows whether we will do so or not. So, what is the point of Him wanting anything? A God as essence is palatable. A God as being is not only ridiculous but likely impossible.(P.S. This one is for the non-predestinarians. If you are a predestinarian there are other reasons you are wrong: see below. However, most Christians are not predestinarians; although, if they care about consistency [not high on the list], they should be.)
More evidence this guy is a lunatic, he not only claims he is a Christian but a different kind or form of Christian to what has always been believed is Christian historically for 2000 years he now argues against himself.

Even the Devil does do that.

You are the best you show all that if you are LDS most likely not as I know many very well and they would never post this crap you have become mute.

I ask you honor your word and stop posting to me

you should change your handle from No Surprise to I am a Hypocrite.

At least there would be some truth to you then.
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#23994 Apr 22, 2013
If all Mormons are Christians, then all Christians are Mormon
by Matt Slick

Mormons claim to be Christian, yet deny the essentials of Christianity; namely, that there is one God, that forgiveness of sins is by grace alone, that there is a trinity, that Jesus is God, etc.

Mormonism teaches that there are many many gods but that Mormons should serve and worship only one of them, the one of this world. It teaches that forgiveness of sins is not by grace alone. It denies the Trinity doctrine which says there is one God in three persons and instead says that there are three separate gods. It does not proclaim that Jesus is God, but that Jesus is "a" god.... etc. Additionally, Mormons have secret temple rituals, even though the rituals have been done away with with the destruction of the Temple of Jerusalem.

So, Mormons deny these basic Christian doctrines, yet they want to be called Christian because they say they believe in the same Jesus of the Bible, among other things. But when they speak of Jesus, they mean that Jesus is the brother of Satan, and you and I. They teach that we have all been born from god and his goddess wife who both have physical bodies of flesh and bones.

None of this is in the Bible and none of this is believed by true Christians. But that has not stopped the members of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints from wanting to be called Christian.

So, since the Mormons deny basic Christian doctrine and claim to be Christian, then I can deny basic Mormon doctrine and be a Mormon. For example, I deny the following Mormon doctrines.

I deny that there are many many gods (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, p. 163).
I deny that the trinity is three separate gods (Teachings of Prophet Joseph Smith, p. 370).
I deny that god is a man from another planet (Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 3).
I deny that there is a goddess mother (Articles of Faith, by James Talmage, p. 443).
I deny that god is married to his goddess wife (Mormon Doctrine, p. 516.).
I deny that god and his goddess wife have bodies of flesh and bones (Doctrine and Covenants, 130:22; Joseph Smith, Journal of Discourses, vol. 6, p. 3.)
I deny that we were all born in the pre-existence (Journal of Discourses, vol. 4, p. 218; Articles of Faith, p. 174).
I deny that Satan is my spirit brother (Mormon Doctrine, p. 163).
I deny that I need a temple (Articles of Faith, p. 138).
I deny that I have the potential of becoming a god (Articles of Faith, p. 424).
I deny that the book of Mormon is more correct than the Bible (History of the Church, vol. 4, p. 461).
I deny that good works are necessary for salvation (Articles of Faith, p. 81, 92).
I deny that my own blood must atone for any of my sins (Journal of Discourses, vol. 3, p. 247; see also, vol. 4, p. 53-54, 219-220).
Therefore, since the Mormons deny basic Christian doctrines and call themselves Christian, is it okay for me to deny basic Mormon doctrines and call myself a Mormon?

One of my favorites that not one LDS has rebuke with any biblical or historical evidence let alone logic.

Truth matters lots to be found at http://carm.org/if-mormons-are-christians
concerned in Egypt

Aberdeen, UK

#23995 Apr 22, 2013
Smithsonian Institution Statement Regarding the Book of Mormon
Some Latter-day Saints, in their zeal to give tangible authenticity to the Book of Mormon, have told prospective converts that the Smithsonian Institution has used the Book of Mormon to verify sites in the New World.

cut for space see http://www.mrm.org/smithsonian for the rest.

Information from the National Museum of Natural History Smithsonian Institution, Washington, D.C. 20560

Statement Regarding the Book of Mormon

1. The Smithsonian Institution has never used the Book of Mormon in any way as a scientific guide. Smithsonian archaeologists see no direct connection between the archaeology of the New World and the subject matter of the book.

2. The physical type of the American Indian is basically Mongoloid, being most closely related to that of the peoples of eastern, central, and northeastern Asia. Archaeological evidence indicates that the ancestors of the present Indians came into the New World -- probably over a land bridge known to have existed in the Bering Strait region during the last Ice Age -- in a continuing series of small migrations beginning from about 25,000 to 30,000 years ago.

3. Present evidence indicates that the first people to reach this continent from the East were the Norsemen who briefly visited the northeastern part of North America around A.D. 1000 and then settled in Greenland. There is nothing to show that they reached Mexico or Central America.

4. One of the main lines of evidence supporting the scientific finding that contacts with Old World civilizations, if indeed they occurred at all, were of very little significance for the development of American Indian civilizations, is the fact that none of the principal Old World domesticated food plants or animals (except the dog) occurred in the New World in pre-Columbian times. American Indians had no wheat, barley, oats, millet, rice, cattle, pigs, chickens, horses, donkeys, camels before 1492.(Camels and horses were in the Americas, along with the bison, mammoth, and mastodon, but all these animals became extinct around 10,000 B.C. at the time the early big game (sic) hunters spread across the Americas.)

5. Iron, steel, glass, and silk were not used in the New World before 1492 (except for occasional use of unsmelted meteoric iron). Native copper was worked used (sic) in various locations in pre-Columbian times, but true metallurgy was limited to southern Mexico and the Andean region, where its occurrence in late prehistoric times involved gold, silver, copper, and their alloys, but not iron.

6. There is a possibility that the spread of cultural traits across the Pacific to Mesoamerica and the northwestern coast of South America began several hundred years before the Christian era. However, any such inter-hemispheric contacts appear to have been the results of accidental voyages originating in eastern and southern Asia. It is by means certain that even such contacts occurred; certainly there were no contacts with the ancient Egyptians, Hebrews, or other peoples of Western Asia and the Near East.

7. No reputable Egyptologist or other specialist on Old World archaeology, and no expert on New World prehistory, has discovered or confirmed any relationship between archaeological remains in Mexico and archaeological remains in Egypt.

8. Reports of findings of ancient Egyptian, Hebrew, and other Old World writings in the New World in pre-Columbian contexts have frequently appeared in newspapers, magazines, and sensational books. None of these claims has stood up to examination by reputable scholars. No inscriptions using Old World forms of writing have been shown to have occurred in any part of the Americas before 1492 except for a few Norse rune stones which have been found in Greenland.

9. There are copies of the Book of Mormon in the library of the National Museum, of Natural History, Smithsonian Institution.

As you can see they lied

“Good day to you!”

Since: Oct 08

Earth

#23996 Apr 22, 2013
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
You're trying to save Mormonism by proving Christianity is wrong? LOL!!!
See, this is where you prove your mentally challenged dude.
Anyone with a right mind would see I have posted similar crap people use to prove the Bible false that you and egypt use as crap to prove the BOM false.
So you see, while you used your crap to prove the BOM false, other people have been using similar crap to prove the Bible false for a much longer time period.
The defining of false crap is in the eye of the beholder, not in the actual information.

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