LDS Apostle visited Tonga

LDS Apostle visited Tonga

There are 29809 comments on the Matangi Tonga story from Feb 24, 2014, titled LDS Apostle visited Tonga. In it, Matangi Tonga reports that:

Elder Neil L. Andersen, a member of the Quorum of the Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, Salt Lake City, During their short stay in Tonga, the Apostle met and counseled church leaders to hasten the work of the Lord in Tonga.

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#62 Mar 30, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
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Eternal marriage is one of the biggest myths in Mormonism. Jesus taught against it:
Matthew 22:30
For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven.
If couples were still married even in death, if a husband or wife were to remarry after their spouse died, they would be committing adultery.
Hi Dana sorry l totally missed this, on t scripture Matt 22:30 it clearly states that in t resurrection,........so once u r resurrected u remain in the state of which your spirit has it's final judgement. Once you're resurrected n hopefully all your temple work has been completed and you've excepted it in the spirit world, upon resurrection you will arise with all of the endowments and covenants blessings still in order.....n this is also after the final judgement.

Sorry, if eternal marriage is a myth, it is t best myth ever created, for why would anyone need marriage if it wasn't forever.......hehehehehe!!!! We can just live together n change partners whenever we felt like it. No, HF, had an eternal plan for his children in mind n it required the complete commitment of a man n woman to each other an their children n God, with his son JC being at center of it all, want to know more check out. www.lds.org Best Regards
truth

Salt Lake City, UT

#63 Mar 30, 2014
samonga wrote:
<quoted text>Do they really pray to marry? Or is it just some sort of respect to her? People judged mormons n i find out they dont pray to Joseph Smith like how people make it out to be. Concentrate on ur own faith,attending church does not make u worthy to enter gods kingdom,worry about how u can enter his kingdom instead of other religions .
Attending church is part of becoming worthy, an ordinance, the sacrament, is a weekly thing, the worship of Mary saints and Angels is NOT what He commanded

“Fight For Democracy in Tonga!!”

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#64 Mar 31, 2014
LDS.... what a dumbass religion

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#65 Mar 31, 2014
boruone77 wrote:
LDS.... what a dumbass religion
You're the dumbass!!!!
Lifuka

Tonga

#66 Mar 31, 2014
boruone77 wrote:
LDS.... what a dumbass religion
Say it to yourself. You deserve it better. You face also looks worthy of your commend.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#67 Apr 1, 2014
truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Jesus said to Peter, unto you I give the keys to the kingdom of Heaven, whatsoever ye shall bind here on earth shall be bound up in Heaven.
That hasn't nothing to do with marriage and everything about how he would set up the church. Even if you want it to apply to marriage it would only mean that what is bound in the eyes o the law would also be considered bound in the eyes of God. No mention of eternity being spoken of there.
Matthew 16:19, about marriage in Matthew 22:30 in verse 23 it tells us that the Sadducees don't believe in the resurrection, for them to ask the Savior of marriage in the resurrection was not their true purpose to find out the truth but to trap Jesus in some way, but Jesus knows everything.
It doesn't mean he didn't give them an honest answer to their question. He in fact told them straight out that there was a resurrection of us all and that we wouldn't be living in marriages any longer. We were to be "like the angels" Have you ever heard of a married angel?
In genesis Adam and Eve were married by God himself, they shall not be twain but one flesh, genesis 2:24. 1cor.11:11, man and woman are made for each other. When the dark ages came, many of these simples truths were lost, but God brought them back because without these truths we can be saved.
Jesus promised us that the Heavens and the Earth could pass away and his gospel would survive. Mormonism tells us that's a lie, that his gospel did pass away for 1800 years. I chose to believe Jesus more than I do Joseph Smith. When a man and woman get married, they are one flesh only as long as they live. Paul tells us:

1 Corinthians 7
39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

Why? Because we are told:

Romans 7
2 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. 3 So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

When one of the spouses die, they are no longer considered married, otherwise the woman mentioned here would be considered and adulteress. It can't be any more clearer than that.
Pray about these things, read the Book of Mormon, meet the missionaries, knowledge doesn't come unless you seek it out. There's two sides of the story, like there is for Jesus, but I believe Jesus because the spirit of The Lord confirms He is the Christ, these things I share to you are His word, pray sincerely and He shall answer.
I don't have to pray about what scripture has clearly told us. The book of Mormon doesn't mention eternal marriage either. I was a member for 33 years, I can teach the missionaries what the LDS church believes in. I have prayed, God told me it was false. A man made religion that has nothing to do with the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#68 Apr 1, 2014
truth wrote:
<quoted text>
After all we can do, we are saved by His grace, of course I believe in His Grace, do you believe also in works and faith? Believe not only in Grace but in all. Don't be lazy and believe only in Grace not doing anything else but sanctify yourself by doing His word (works) also
"After all we do" is what Mormonism teaches, not the word of God:

1. Saved by grace
(Ephesians 2:8-9)- "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast."
(Rom. 3:20, 28)- "because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin...For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
(Galatians 2:16)- "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
2. Saved by works
(James 2:24)- "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone."
(Matthew 19:16-17)- "And behold, one came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?" 17And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."

God does not want a faith that is empty and hypocritical. James 2 is talking about those who "say" that they have faith but have no works. Therefore, people cannot tell if they are true believers or not, because there is no fruit. That kind of a faith is useless and is not a saving faith. True faith results in true works.

In Matthew 19:16-17, Jesus was speaking to a Lawyer who was self-righteous since he wanted to put Jesus to the test (Luke 10:25). He asked what he must do in order to obtain eternal life and Jesus responded with the requirements of keeping the commandments. If a person keeps all of the commandments, it would seem that they could obtain eternal life. However, nobody can keep all of the commandments. Therefore, Jesus' comments to this man show this man that justification can only be by faith since no one can keep all of the commandments. This is why it says in Eph. 2:8 that we are saved by grace through faith. Also, Romans 3:20,28 and Galatians 2:16 tells us that no one is justified in the sight of God by the law; that is, by the works that he can do.

There is no contradiction at all when we examine the contexts. We are justified by faith but that faith must be alive (James 2). The Law cannot save us because we are incapable of keeping it (Matthew 19:16-17). Therefore, salvation is by grace alone through faith.

We are given an example in scripture of this at the curcifixion with the thief on the cross.

Luke 23:39-43

New American Standard Bible (NASB)

39 One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying,“Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!” 40 But the other answered, and rebuking him said,“Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 And he was saying,“Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” 43 And He said to him,“Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”

That is a man who was saved by his faith in Christ alone. No baptism, no attending meeting, no attending the temple, just his faith in Jesus Christ.
Koe sio fuhu pee

Australia

#69 Apr 1, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
"After all we do" is what Mormonism teaches, not the word of God:
1. Saved by grace
(Ephesians 2:8-9)- "For by grace you have been saved through faith; and that not of yourselves, it is the gift of God; not as a result of works, that no one should boast."
(Rom. 3:20, 28)- "because by the works of the Law no flesh will be justified in His sight; for through the Law comes the knowledge of sin...For we maintain that a man is justified by faith apart from works of the Law."
(Galatians 2:16)- "nevertheless knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the Law but through faith in Christ Jesus, even we have believed in Christ Jesus, that we may be justified by faith in Christ, and not by the works of the Law; since by the works of the Law shall no flesh be justified."
2. Saved by works
(James 2:24)- "You see that a man is justified by works, and not by faith alone."
(Matthew 19:16-17)- "And behold, one came to Him and said, "Teacher, what good thing shall I do that I may obtain eternal life?" 17And He said to him, "Why are you asking Me about what is good? There is only One who is good; but if you wish to enter into life, keep the commandments."
God does not want a faith that is empty and hypocritical. James 2 is talking about those who "say" that they have faith but have no works. Therefore, people cannot tell if they are true believers or not, because there is no fruit. That kind of a faith is useless and is not a saving faith. True faith results in true works.
In Matthew 19:16-17, Jesus was speaking to a Lawyer who was self-righteous since he wanted to put Jesus to the test (Luke 10:25). He asked what he must do in order to obtain eternal life and Jesus responded with the requirements of keeping the commandments. If a person keeps all of the commandments, it would seem that they could obtain eternal life. However, nobody can keep all of the commandments. Therefore, Jesus' comments to this man show this man that justification can only be by faith since no one can keep all of the commandments. This is why it says in Eph. 2:8 that we are saved by grace through faith. Also, Romans 3:20,28 and Galatians 2:16 tells us that no one is justified in the sight of God by the law; that is, by the works that he can do.
There is no contradiction at all when we examine the contexts. We are justified by faith but that faith must be alive (James 2). The Law cannot save us because we are incapable of keeping it (Matthew 19:16-17). Therefore, salvation is by grace alone through faith.
We are given an example in scripture of this at the curcifixion with the thief on the cross.
Luke 23:39-43
New American Standard Bible (NASB)
39 One of the criminals who were hanged there was hurling abuse at Him, saying,“Are You not the Christ? Save Yourself and us!” 40 But the other answered, and rebuking him said,“Do you not even fear God, since you are under the same sentence of condemnation? 41 And we indeed are suffering justly, for we are receiving what we deserve for our deeds; but this man has done nothing wrong.” 42 And he was saying,“Jesus, remember me when You come in Your kingdom!” 43 And He said to him,“Truly I say to you, today you shall be with Me in Paradise.”
That is a man who was saved by his faith in Christ alone. No baptism, no attending meeting, no attending the temple, just his faith in Jesus Christ.
Always been a sucker for a good well thought out malanga. Put together well I think. If by doing this you are trying to teach rather than debate, then by all means continue...I think that when one engages in debate over the bible, you are going against what it teaches. Faith alone tells you that god will fight your battle for you. Does it not say come to me who is burdened and heavy laden and I will give you rest..don't know the rest but I'm sure you guys know it. Rest easy my peepz!! Good deeds will be rewarded. Silence in many cases can be your good deed

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#70 Apr 1, 2014
Koe sio fuhu pee wrote:
<quoted text> Always been a sucker for a good well thought out malanga. Put together well I think. If by doing this you are trying to teach rather than debate, then by all means continue...I think that when one engages in debate over the bible, you are going against what it teaches. Faith alone tells you that god will fight your battle for you. Does it not say come to me who is burdened and heavy laden and I will give you rest..don't know the rest but I'm sure you guys know it. Rest easy my peepz!! Good deeds will be rewarded. Silence in many cases can be your good deed
But it also says:

1 Peter 3:15
but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;
truth

Salt Lake City, UT

#71 Apr 1, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>That hasn't nothing to do with marriage and everything about how he would set up the church. Even if you want it to apply to marriage it would only mean that what is bound in the eyes o the law would also be considered bound in the eyes of God. No mention of eternity being spoken of there.

[QUOTE]
Matthew 16:19, about marriage in Matthew 22:30 in verse 23 it tells us that the Sadducees don't believe in the resurrection, for them to ask the Savior of marriage in the resurrection was not their true purpose to find out the truth but to trap Jesus in some way, but Jesus knows everything."

It doesn't mean he didn't give them an honest answer to their question. He in fact told them straight out that there was a resurrection of us all and that we wouldn't be living in marriages any longer. We were to be "like the angels" Have you ever heard of a married angel?

[QUOTE] In genesis Adam and Eve were married by God himself, they shall not be twain but one flesh, genesis 2:24. 1cor.11:11, man and woman are made for each other. When the dark ages came, many of these simples truths were lost, but God brought them back because without these truths we can be saved. "

Jesus promised us that the Heavens and the Earth could pass away and his gospel would survive. Mormonism tells us that's a lie, that his gospel did pass away for 1800 years. I chose to believe Jesus more than I do Joseph Smith. When a man and woman get married, they are one flesh only as long as they live. Paul tells us:

1 Corinthians 7
39 A wife is bound as long as her husband lives; but if her husband is dead, she is free to be married to whom she wishes, only in the Lord.

Why? Because we are told:

Romans 7
2 For the married woman is bound by law to her husband while he is living; but if her husband dies, she is released from the law concerning the husband. 3 So then, if while her husband is living she is joined to another man, she shall be called an adulteress; but if her husband dies, she is free from the law, so that she is not an adulteress though she is joined to another man.

When one of the spouses die, they are no longer considered married, otherwise the woman mentioned here would be considered and adulteress. It can't be any more clearer than that.

[QUOTE]Pray about these things, read the Book of Mormon, meet the missionaries, knowledge doesn't come unless you seek it out. There's two sides of the story, like there is for Jesus, but I believe Jesus because the spirit of The Lord confirms He is the Christ, these things I share to you are His word, pray sincerely and He shall answer. "

I don't have to pray about what scripture has clearly told us. The book of Mormon doesn't mention eternal marriage either. I was a member for 33 years, I can teach the missionaries what the LDS church believes in. I have prayed, God told me it was false. A man made religion that has nothing to do with the true Gospel of Jesus Christ.
Then it would have been better if you didn't know the Lord

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#72 Apr 1, 2014
truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Then it would have been better if you didn't know the Lord
I know God better at this time more than I have ever known him in my life. I also have the blessed assurance of knowing my salvation is secured, not because of my righteousness, but because of his. My righteousness before the Lord is the righteousness of Jesus Christ, not the pitiful attempts of my efforts.

You can also have no doubts, if you wanted to.
Koe sio fuhu pee

Holsworthy, Australia

#73 Apr 1, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
But it also says:
1 Peter 3:15
but sanctify Christ as Lord in your hearts, always being ready to make a defense to everyone who asks you to give an account for the hope that is in you, yet with gentleness and reverence;
Cheers Dana, I really should read it a lot more but due to a limited education and a lack of understanding of the scriptures...it just bores me to be honest. I've learnt a thing or 2 just by reading your posts. Myself, I need it put into simple terms like you've done here...keep it coming

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#74 Apr 2, 2014
Koe sio fuhu pee wrote:
<quoted text> Cheers Dana, I really should read it a lot more but due to a limited education and a lack of understanding of the scriptures...it just bores me to be honest. I've learnt a thing or 2 just by reading your posts. Myself, I need it put into simple terms like you've done here...keep it coming
Which Bible version do you use?
samonga

Australia

#75 Apr 2, 2014
truth wrote:
<quoted text>
Attending church is part of becoming worthy, an ordinance, the sacrament, is a weekly thing, the worship of Mary saints and Angels is NOT what He commanded
Endure to the end,but dont ever think you'll become worthy by attending church. Who n how people conducts their religious belief is not my problem... there are flaws everywhere,rest where your soul feels at eaze? But you're not the "truth"! If you're the truth? Then i'am the messenger of free agency hihihi ehk .
Koe sio fuhu pee

Holsworthy, Australia

#76 Apr 2, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Which Bible version do you use?
it's not the bible...it's just me lol
samonga

Australia

#77 Apr 2, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Which Bible version do you use?
How many bible versions are there? Lol how many jesus are there,? How do you know the broken branch of religion u belong to is the right one? Do you think your church is true coz your parents,grandparents etc attends it? Read the bible n pray,dont exaggerate what you dont fully understand...which is what people are doing these days.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#78 Apr 2, 2014
samonga wrote:
<quoted text>
How many bible versions are there? Lol how many jesus are there,? How do you know the broken branch of religion u belong to is the right one? Do you think your church is true coz your parents,grandparents etc attends it? Read the bible n pray,dont exaggerate what you dont fully understand...which is what people are doing these days.
Different Biblical versions doesn't equal different teachings. With humans, language is always changing and evolving. The different versions are updating the language while saying the same thing.

Of course I don't think my church is true because my parents attended it. My Parents were LDS. I left the Mormon church because it doesn't teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Salvation isn't in belonging to the right church. It's in having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. A membership in a church is only a membership in a church.

“Too much LDS in the 60's”

Since: Sep 10

Marysville, CA

#79 Apr 2, 2014
Koe sio fuhu pee wrote:
<quoted text> it's not the bible...it's just me lol
Just you? God says "you are wonderfully and perfectly made". You were created in his image. God doesn't make trash.
im a mormon

Salt Lake City, UT

#80 Apr 2, 2014
Too many haters here. The church will never Fall.
samonga

Australia

#81 Apr 2, 2014
Dana Robertson wrote:
<quoted text>
Different Biblical versions doesn't equal different teachings. With humans, language is always changing and evolving. The different versions are updating the language while saying the same thing.
Of course I don't think my church is true because my parents attended it. My Parents were LDS. I left the Mormon church because it doesn't teach the Gospel of Jesus Christ. Salvation isn't in belonging to the right church. It's in having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ. A membership in a church is only a membership in a church.
My church is straight to the sky between me n god...through Jesus ofcourse. Then dont worry which bible version anybody uses if they are the same. What church do you attend? How can you understand the bible when you can't even understand me lol you are starting to repeat what im saying to you n avoiding my questions haha don't lie about LDS i was invited by elders n i went to see what the fuss with mormons...nothing wrong with their church...you're the problem. In fact,i would rather my kids grow up in the LDS faith...

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