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Manhattan Beach cancels police, fire open houses

There are 39 comments on the Daily Breeze story from May 7, 2009, titled Manhattan Beach cancels police, fire open houses. In it, Daily Breeze reports that:

In perhaps the first public casualty of Manhattan Beach's budget woes, the city has canceled its annual invitation to residents to get an inside look at its public safety facilities.

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Daniel

Los Angeles, CA

#25 May 8, 2009
I agree with The Truth Hurts. Couldn't these employees volunteer a little time to say thank you to the community that pays their salaries? I think this is being very short-sighted and will come back to haunt them.
MBer

Manhattan Beach, CA

#26 May 8, 2009
Hey Clueless wrote:
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In order to have firemen available to show the spoiled Manhattan children and their self entitled parents around the firehouse, it would require having firemen there on overtime as the other on-duty firemen would need to be available for calls for service. Your comment shows how little the general public knows about emergency services and how little respect you have for them.....unless you need them!
Hey Clueless,

Most professions, including mine, volunteer their time when hosting open houses.

While I do appreciate their services and their level of professionalism (I'm a CERT graduate, for one so I have direct knowledge of all they know and do), I believe they are part of our bloated government and need to be cut back and not expanded. They are also seriously overpaid.

It's not that I don't respect them, it's a question of where we put our limited resources and how groups like the MB FD go about budgeting what they do have.
Daniel

Los Angeles, CA

#29 May 8, 2009
Fabio wrote:
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Next time you need help, call a relative.
Try to think about about what you said. Can you really rely on 911 if you need help? Do you take yourself to the hospital if you are feeling bad, or do you call for paramedics who may be minutes away? How about if confronted with a violent intruder, call 911 or defend yourself? Will "First Responders" take care of their own if something really bad happens and leave you to your own devices/ Ask any cop or fireperson and dicover the reality.
HB Reader

Redondo Beach, CA

#30 May 8, 2009
The Truth Hurts wrote:
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Gee, no replies to this comment from you lovers of public safety? Can't find a justifiable answer to the 200 thousand plus retirement pay? Your tax dollars? Your hard earned wages? Nothing?
Wow, seems it is okay to tell someone that if they don't love the police or firefighters to go to hades and don't call 911. But when it comes to an opinion of their retirement benefits, suddenly the voice is silent.
This cancellation further demonstrates the selfish manner of these individuals. The only time they had the opportunity to have us, the ones that pay their wages, come to their house and say thank you, they rather cancel than actually have the decency to dip into their own pockets for the measly amount of money needed.
School teachers that earn a lot, a lot less, buy school supplies for their students because they actually care. If you think these fine upstanding examples of our firefighters and police forces actually care about you, keep telling yourself that and take it to your grave.
They care less about you, your children, your city, your money. They care only of themselves, socialize only with their kind and separate themselves from the rest of the community and proudly call themselves heroes.
It sickens me when they all pat themselves on the back and give themselves these so-called valor medals, like to the two El Segundo officers who got themselves shot for their poor judgement for not searching a suspect.
Oh, they cared. They opened fire back at him in a crowded theatre setting, couldn't give a darn about anyone that happen to be in the path of their bullets.
Call it what you want. These people are selfish, demanding, immature and these you call our heroes. Tightwads would be a better definition.
You are both nuts. When was the last time you ran to an emergency to do anything more than watch? I have had to call 911 4 times. All 4 times we had professional and helpful paramedics. My father's life was saved 20 years ago by 2 wonderful Glendale Calif paramedics. My aunts house was saved by the city of Los Angeles fire department. Without them her house would have easily been destroyed. If you had an emergency, you wouldn't think twice before running to the phone and dialing 911. Shame on you!
Illegals are ILLEGAL

Glendora, CA

#31 May 8, 2009
Speaking of calling 911, has anyone seen this?...

http://www.topix.com/city/lincoln-park-mi/200...
heph

Beverly Hills, CA

#32 May 10, 2009
Amazed wrote:
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You always talk out of the wrong end of your body. Right....so the guys who have been on duty for 12 plus hours are going to show people around the house, then quickly usher the visitors out of the house when a call comes in?! Another person who knows little about what they post about.
I'm sure they could arrange something for the personnel that is off duty. You don't need to resort to unimaginative and a defensive attitude for a field you're not even employed in. You're nothing but a hack. You think you have more of a say than the actual people who do the job.
heph

Beverly Hills, CA

#33 May 10, 2009
Illegals are ILLEGAL wrote:
This story sounds very fishy, open houses dont really cost anything, unless everyone involved wants overtime... the are already at the station. The best way to get a look at a firestation is by having a birthday party there, at least at the one in san pedro... the kids had a blast and it was free.
a birthday party? what are you high. this isn't Chuck E Cheese.
Rebecca

Irvine, CA

#36 May 10, 2009
MB should have had the open house. Kids don't care about goodies and snacks. They care about getting to sit in a fire engine, they care about meeting firemen. They didn't need food, and if they really wanted it, I have no doubt local businesses would have donated it. As to having to pay overtime. They could have asked off duty firemen to come in and volunteer their time for a couple of hours or had non firemen volunteers come help. I understand cutting back, but this is silly.
Illegals are ILLEGAL

Glendora, CA

#37 May 10, 2009
heph wrote:
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a birthday party? what are you high. this isn't Chuck E Cheese.
I didnt plan the party there, didnt even know it was possible. Not sure why you are asking if I am high, nothing better to do I guess.
HUH

Canoga Park, CA

#38 May 10, 2009
You have to be kidding me. I could understand some poor city that has no financial backing. I pay big money to live in that city, high taxes and property taxes, etc. I know this is a very hard time that everyone in society is going thru, but its hard to believe coming from that city. If all other cities were cutting the day, ok then fine, but seems like other cities are having it.
JACK

Canoga Park, CA

#39 May 10, 2009
The Truth Hurts wrote:
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Gee, no replies to this comment from you lovers of public safety? Can't find a justifiable answer to the 200 thousand plus retirement pay? Your tax dollars? Your hard earned wages? Nothing?
Wow, seems it is okay to tell someone that if they don't love the police or firefighters to go to hades and don't call 911. But when it comes to an opinion of their retirement benefits, suddenly the voice is silent.
This cancellation further demonstrates the selfish manner of these individuals. The only time they had the opportunity to have us, the ones that pay their wages, come to their house and say thank you, they rather cancel than actually have the decency to dip into their own pockets for the measly amount of money needed.
School teachers that earn a lot, a lot less, buy school supplies for their students because they actually care. If you think these fine upstanding examples of our firefighters and police forces actually care about you, keep telling yourself that and take it to your grave.
They care less about you, your children, your city, your money. They care only of themselves, socialize only with their kind and separate themselves from the rest of the community and proudly call themselves heroes.
It sickens me when they all pat themselves on the back and give themselves these so-called valor medals, like to the two El Segundo officers who got themselves shot for their poor judgement for not searching a suspect.
Oh, they cared. They opened fire back at him in a crowded theatre setting, couldn't give a darn about anyone that happen to be in the path of their bullets.
Call it what you want. These people are selfish, demanding, immature and these you call our heroes. Tightwads would be a better definition.
Hey JACKO,

Before you start whinning about the El Segundo Police shooting, do a little more research about the circumstances surrounding how they got shot and how the suspect ended up dead. You sound like a complete moron. You have your facts completely wrong. You are tough guy analazing that police incident, get a real life, loser.
Buzz

Manhattan Beach, CA

#40 May 12, 2009
Gosh, so many of you are ignorant. Ever hear of the Fair Labor Standards Act (flsa)? A law passed by liberal, Democrat pro-Labor judges to REQUIRE overtime be paid to employees working beyond 40 hours a week? It is a right that cannot be "signed off" and the penalties associated with violating this provision is double the time plus low-life attorney fees. They simply CANNOT VOLUNTEER! This is one of the reasons why public sector salaries are out of control...the same reason that stupid decision just came out about getting paid to change into uniforms. It is the courts, not the public safety officers that are at fault....LAWYERS!
Buzz Off

AOL

#42 May 13, 2009
Buzz wrote:
Gosh, so many of you are ignorant. Ever hear of the Fair Labor Standards Act (flsa)? A law passed by liberal, Democrat pro-Labor judges to REQUIRE overtime be paid to employees working beyond 40 hours a week? It is a right that cannot be "signed off" and the penalties associated with violating this provision is double the time plus low-life attorney fees. They simply CANNOT VOLUNTEER! This is one of the reasons why public sector salaries are out of control...the same reason that stupid decision just came out about getting paid to change into uniforms. It is the courts, not the public safety officers that are at fault....LAWYERS!
Buzz, your obvious biases and partisanship have caused you to be blinded to reasonable interpretation and basic logic.

The code you cite doesn't prohibit volunteerism by employees; rather, it defines that employees must be paid O/T if they *work*(not volunteer) beyond 40 hours.

The fact remains that canceling this event in the name of budget cutbacks was much more of a shameful political move than a substantive cost saving.
Amy

Irvine, CA

#43 May 13, 2009
Buzz Off wrote:
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Buzz, your obvious biases and partisanship have caused you to be blinded to reasonable interpretation and basic logic.
The code you cite doesn't prohibit volunteerism by employees; rather, it defines that employees must be paid O/T if they *work*(not volunteer) beyond 40 hours.
The fact remains that canceling this event in the name of budget cutbacks was much more of a shameful political move than a substantive cost saving.
Agreed and if not enough fire men wanted to volunteer time, I'm sure there are plenty of retired fire men or junior fire groups who would be more than willing to serve in that capicity. Short sighted and doesn't speak well for the city of MB.
Buzz is Richard Montgomer

Los Angeles, CA

#44 Apr 24, 2013
Buzz wrote:
Gosh, so many of you are ignorant. Ever hear of the Fair Labor Standards Act (flsa)? A law passed by liberal, Democrat pro-Labor judges to REQUIRE overtime be paid to employees working beyond 40 hours a week? It is a right that cannot be "signed off" and the penalties associated with violating this provision is double the time plus low-life attorney fees. They simply CANNOT VOLUNTEER! This is one of the reasons why public sector salaries are out of control...the same reason that stupid decision just came out about getting paid to change into uniforms. It is the courts, not the public safety officers that are at fault....LAWYERS!
We've known for years that "Buzz" is really fatso Councilman Richard Montgomery. Sure glad that he and fatcat Coucilman Nick Tell are termed off. They've ruined our city for so long, especially the Centennial fiasco. By the way, stop taking credit for the Centennial Parade. You had nothing to do with this event. It was Jan Dennis' Parade Committee, not the Centennial Committee who planned and executed the Parade. In fact the Centennial Committee, AKA Richard Montgomery and Nick Tell, tried to undermine this event. They wanted a "hoity toity" pay-to-play elitist event that would exclude the community. Shame! Let's see how quickly they down-rate this comment like they do everything else

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Truth

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#45 May 15, 2013
Ding dong Dick "Buzz" Montgomery and Nick Tell are gone! Its about time. You can downrate this post too Nick & Dick.

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The Worm

Los Angeles, CA

#46 May 15, 2013
Not a Fireman wrote:
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Overpaid job? Why, because you can't qualift for it? Amazing how when you need them, they are invaluable, but when you want to find someone to complain about, cops and firemen are overpaid. No problem, you can take a stand.....don't call 911 when you need one of them. That will show them!
I don't need a fireman I have my own 2 inch hoses with conversion nozzles and pieces I can hook up to my hydrant 10 feet away. I can put out any of my neighbors fires before you lazy guys lounging at the firestation playing foosball get here. I mean c'mon 90 percent of the time your either sleeping or waxing the fire truck or on the 10 percent time you roll out it's to respond to some idiot who burned toast in the microwave and triggered a false alarm. Cmon ! Stop fleecing the taxpayer. Milkers! Next to Caltrans you guys are tied for firstplace!
I Agree

Los Angeles, CA

#47 May 15, 2013
At worm. There not totally worthless aren't you a little harsh? I agree with your frustration but I do think they are overpaid. We could get a dozen MBA+fire academy graduates for $25,000 each a year. The overeducated unemployed ocean is filled with anyone who is just itching for a job but those scumbag baby boomer "gatekeepers" won't let them in to justify their overbloated overpaid underqualified and undereducated behind. This makes complete fiscal sense! Not!
Test

Rancho Palos Verdes, CA

#48 May 17, 2013
Truth wrote:
Ding dong Dick "Buzz" Montgomery and Nick Tell are gone! Its about time. You can downrate this post too Nick & Dick.
Sure enough, "Buzz" Montgomery downrated it. Downrate this one too from your silo

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