Man dies in Rosemead after shooting, fiery crash

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A man died early Sunday after he was shot while driving in Rosemead and crashed his car, which burst into flames, authorities said.

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Aug 16, 2010
 
You're still in college, right? Probably CS system?
I know because that's the BS that was pumped into my mind.
People will choose to succeed, or not.
I have been working in "at risk" areas with youth and their families for 15 years. What I've learned is that success vs. failure has little to do with where you live. When families step up and say that education and respect win against ignorance and crime, kids succeed.
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#43
Aug 16, 2010
 
yes i am in college, and no not the CS system, I'm in the UC system. a very different education. all this "BS" you speak of is all true, please show me how I am wrong. of course a person can only succeed so much in the educational realm, there needs to be personal experience to go along with it. since you have worked with what the system likes to label individuals as "at risk", i respect your thoughts. but i do disagree with the thought that success vs failure has little to do with where you live, can you really say that if you compare individuals that live in Bel-Air and those in East L.A. it will result with the same percent of individuals that will succeed? your environment has much to do with as how you will continue your life and how you will succeed. again there is this "if he/she succeeded then why can't you" mentality that can not be applied to everyone, every person is different and has various situations. family does have a great impact on kids and their success, but what happens when they are being told on a daily basis at school and by society that they will never amount to anything?
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#44
Aug 17, 2010
 
Kids are not told at school that they will never amount to anything. I'm sorry.
Finish your education, learn there. Then get out into the world, and observe.
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yes i am in college, and no not the CS system, I'm in the UC system. a very different education. all this "BS" you speak of is all true, please show me how I am wrong. of course a person can only succeed so much in the educational realm, there needs to be personal experience to go along with it. since you have worked with what the system likes to label individuals as "at risk", i respect your thoughts. but i do disagree with the thought that success vs failure has little to do with where you live, can you really say that if you compare individuals that live in Bel-Air and those in East L.A. it will result with the same percent of individuals that will succeed? your environment has much to do with as how you will continue your life and how you will succeed. again there is this "if he/she succeeded then why can't you" mentality that can not be applied to everyone, every person is different and has various situations. family does have a great impact on kids and their success, but what happens when they are being told on a daily basis at school and by society that they will never amount to anything?
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#45
Aug 17, 2010
 
are you sure about that? i have had teachers that have spewed some racists/demeaning comments toward students because they feel they are higher in the social ladder than them, and note that these teachers are white and the majority of their students are of color. so if teachers are so great then why are their schools that are being shut down or taken over by the state because they do not fulfill the minimal requirements? that does not sound like very good teaching to me. as well, not all teachers are bad, i have had some great ones which have helped me get to where i am today, but these are not easily found. life is not a hollywood movie, not every teacher is like those in films like "freedom writers" or have a Jaime Escalante at their schools. so how are students supposed to learn at school with teachers like these? you are making it seem like every teacher is great but that's just not the case, if you have worked with "at risk" individuals and you have done so for 15 years, have you not paid attention to their stories, they have probably told you about some bad teachers, you just refuse to listen.
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#46
Aug 17, 2010
 
Can you explain why/how you ended up in the UC system, while your friend ended up in EMF?
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#47
Aug 17, 2010
 
I actually feel sorry for you. You are limiting yourself with your ill conceived attitude. It will do nothing but slow you down. Worse, you run the risk of infecting any weak minded friends with this defeatist attitude which will bring them down too.
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... unfortunately opportunities do not come to you, especially if you are of color.
Wrong. If you can't make it as a person of color, you are not even trying. Take higher education: there are so many outreach groups, support groups, and minority only scholarships, many of which you don't even have to seek out.. they will find you. I know this for a fact, because I was the recipient of one.. until they found out I was not black. After my freshman year in one of the nation's top engineering schools, I was one of three students still maintaining a 4.0. I received a call from the scholarship office notifying me I was awarded an full academic scholarship. Apparently, I had been listed in the school records as a black student, and when they realized the error, the scholarship was taken away.

Now, in the professional world, I occasionally write grant proposals to obtain federal SBIR (small business innovation research) dollars. You get special consideration if you are a women or minority owned business. To help, I've incorporated with my wife as the CEO. If I were a black woman, I'd sneeze and checks would land in my mailbox.
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thank you for the "i have a [insert any person of color] friend so i can't be racists/prejudice" ordeal. there are less than 1% of Mexican-Americans who have a Ph.D. so congrats on your friend, but i bet he was probably the only one, or one of very few, in his community that actually went on to get a degree.
Yes, he was one of the few to get a PhD and MD and MS and BS from his home town. That was not because "the system" was holding the others down. It was not because there was some hurdle that was higher for them than the other ethnicities in the same town. The reason was cultural. My friend's buddies were told over and over by their families to do the minimum in school, so they had more time to work and contribute to the family. Many were told not to pursue a college education because they'd be losing 4-5 years of income earning potential. I hear the same message being passed by my sister's husband (who is Latino) to my nephews.

Sure, there are some people who grow up in well connected families and have extraordinary opportunities, but this is a very small percentage of people.. and certainly includes minorities. Think of the opportunities that Obama's daughters will have. But again, these are small numbers. For the rest of us, there is no system. We go out and make our own opportunities. I hope that your self induced mental oppression does not keep you down and does not infect those you interact with.
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#48
Aug 17, 2010
 
Thank you for the excellent post. I think I am out of this thread, as it's like talking to a wall.
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I actually feel sorry for you. You are limiting yourself with your ill conceived attitude. It will do nothing but slow you down. Worse, you run the risk of infecting any weak minded friends with this defeatist attitude which will bring them down too.
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Wrong. If you can't make it as a person of color, you are not even trying. Take higher education: there are so many outreach groups, support groups, and minority only scholarships, many of which you don't even have to seek out.. they will find you. I know this for a fact, because I was the recipient of one.. until they found out I was not black. After my freshman year in one of the nation's top engineering schools, I was one of three students still maintaining a 4.0. I received a call from the scholarship office notifying me I was awarded an full academic scholarship. Apparently, I had been listed in the school records as a black student, and when they realized the error, the scholarship was taken away.
Now, in the professional world, I occasionally write grant proposals to obtain federal SBIR (small business innovation research) dollars. You get special consideration if you are a women or minority owned business. To help, I've incorporated with my wife as the CEO. If I were a black woman, I'd sneeze and checks would land in my mailbox.
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Yes, he was one of the few to get a PhD and MD and MS and BS from his home town. That was not because "the system" was holding the others down. It was not because there was some hurdle that was higher for them than the other ethnicities in the same town. The reason was cultural. My friend's buddies were told over and over by their families to do the minimum in school, so they had more time to work and contribute to the family. Many were told not to pursue a college education because they'd be losing 4-5 years of income earning potential. I hear the same message being passed by my sister's husband (who is Latino) to my nephews.
Sure, there are some people who grow up in well connected families and have extraordinary opportunities, but this is a very small percentage of people.. and certainly includes minorities. Think of the opportunities that Obama's daughters will have. But again, these are small numbers. For the rest of us, there is no system. We go out and make our own opportunities. I hope that your self induced mental oppression does not keep you down and does not infect those you interact with.
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#49
Aug 17, 2010
 
hmmm:well there are many factors, my family supported me since a young age my school labeled me as "special", not in a medical sense of terms, so they knew i would probably be in higher education, while my brothers were gang affiliated they were deemed unfit to even earn a higher education, teachers and the system gave up on them there was very minimal attention that was given. the system is not here to hold your hand through everything, but to give you at least a fair chance, they didn't get that. this happens all the time, people of color are being dispossessed, so if you don't show some sense that you will be a person that will achieve high on test scores at a very young age, then your schools and the system will not care for your well-being. you are labeled at a young age, an age where you have no power, but these people do and they will mold you through the rest of your life. again, you have a "if he/she can do it why can't you?" mentality, i graduated with 400 other students, of those 400 about 30% did not even pass the CAHSEE and about 60% of the total did not even go on with a higher education. so how can you say that if one person out of hundreds of people made it then there is something wrong with those who didn't? there must be a deeper cause which is at fault.
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Aug 17, 2010
 
True Freedom: well first why are you feeling sorry for a person you don't even know, you are wasting your energy and time. actually, i am opening more opportunities for myself by knowing this and helping others to do as such. if i had such an "ill conceived attitude" then how have i gone as far as i have and will go? and please don't say some bullshit answer as because of affirmative action or because you are of color and this country gives you all you want. this is so untrue.
again thank you for showing how your comments are somewhat racists "if you can't make it as a person of color, you are not even trying" why does it matter if you're a person of color, oh yeah like i said this country really does care, that is how they label you, if you're Black/Latino you are automatically a deviant, until you prove them wrong, but even after you are still seen as a possible deviant. so i can see where you might not be able to show me how i am wrong, you went to an engineering school it's like me saying i know all about engineering when i am majoring in the social sciences. of course there are many outreach programs and scholarships, but they are nothing compared to what white people are receiving. so you're saying that since there are a couple of groups already dedicated to people of color then our problems are solved, how about the thousands possibly millions of groups that are out there for white individuals? this outsources people of color, have you really checked how many scholarships there are for people of color, not as many as for whites that is for sure. so besides your racist comments, you also have sexist comments. hopefully when a Black women sneezes she gets her 40 acres and a mule along with her checks. well "the system" does keep people down, there is always going to be a hurdle that people of color are going to have to leap over. as for cultural, we see this type of behavior in other ethnicities, not just Latinos. and most of the time that these families are telling their children not to go on to a higher education and workis because this country is exploiting their families and not making enough to live off of, have you thought of how little these parents are being paid because of the capitalist society that is embedded into the American way of life. actually the percentage of people that are getting great opportunities is pretty high, you don't have to be rich to have those, all you have to be is white and middle-class and you are born with a greater chance at receiving better opportunities. many people would like to forget that Obama is half white and half black. he grew up privileged because he was raised by his white mother and her family so his daughters will have great opportunities because of it. you are in the engineering community so you probably never had to be in any social sciences classes, you do not have the minute sense of what is going on and what i mean by "the system". thank you for your concerns about my well-being, but i wish you would channel that rage towards a better good.
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hmmm:well there are many factors, my family supported me since a young age my school labeled me as "special", not in a medical sense of terms, so they knew i would probably be in higher education, while my brothers were gang affiliated they were deemed unfit to even earn a higher education, teachers and the system gave up on them there was very minimal attention that was given. the system is not here to hold your hand through everything, but to give you at least a fair chance, they didn't get that. this happens all the time, people of color are being dispossessed, so if you don't show some sense that you will be a person that will achieve high on test scores at a very young age, then your schools and the system will not care for your well-being. you are labeled at a young age, an age where you have no power, but these people do and they will mold you through the rest of your life. again, you have a "if he/she can do it why can't you?" mentality, i graduated with 400 other students, of those 400 about 30% did not even pass the CAHSEE and about 60% of the total did not even go on with a higher education. so how can you say that if one person out of hundreds of people made it then there is something wrong with those who didn't? there must be a deeper cause which is at fault.
i guess this wall won.
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hmmm:well there are many factors, my family supported me since a young age my school labeled me as "special", not in a medical sense of terms, so they knew i would probably be in higher education, while my brothers were gang affiliated they were deemed unfit to even earn a higher education, teachers and the system gave up on them there was very minimal attention that was given. the system is not here to hold your hand through everything, but to give you at least a fair chance, they didn't get that. this happens all the time, people of color are being dispossessed, so if you don't show some sense that you will be a person that will achieve high on test scores at a very young age, then your schools and the system will not care for your well-being. you are labeled at a young age, an age where you have no power, but these people do and they will mold you through the rest of your life. again, you have a "if he/she can do it why can't you?" mentality, i graduated with 400 other students, of those 400 about 30% did not even pass the CAHSEE and about 60% of the total did not even go on with a higher education. so how can you say that if one person out of hundreds of people made it then there is something wrong with those who didn't? there must be a deeper cause which is at fault.
I guess this wall won
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Aug 17, 2010
 
Friend wrote:
hmmm:well there are many factors, my family supported me since a young age my school labeled me as "special", not in a medical sense of terms, so they knew i would probably be in higher education, while my brothers were gang affiliated they were deemed unfit to even earn a higher education, teachers and the system gave up on them there was very minimal attention that was given.
Sounds more like your parents gave up on them, and they gave up on themselves.

And, no rage here, only pity.

Take it easy and good luck. I'm going to return to my easy life of privilege. I'll just sit here and watch as those opportunities fall into my lap.

Later, bacon.
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Aug 17, 2010
 
my parents never gave up, it's hard when you are going against a system that has been in place for hundreds of years. but of course you wouldn't know any of it, that is why you are so quickly to comment with your oh so witty words. i guess you are going to give up on "showing" me how i have been wrong all this time. well you can take your pity and every other feeling you have towards me and save it for someone who cares. well at least now you have admitted how privilege you are, now you are a contradiction within yourself.
here's an article everyone could read to show how right i have been:
http://www.independent.com/news/2010/aug/17/s...

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Aug 17, 2010
 
Friend wrote:
my parents never gave up, it's hard when you are going against a system that has been in place for hundreds of years. but of course you wouldn't know any of it, that is why you are so quickly to comment with your oh so witty words. i guess you are going to give up on "showing" me how i have been wrong all this time. well you can take your pity and every other feeling you have towards me and save it for someone who cares. well at least now you have admitted how privilege you are, now you are a contradiction within yourself.
here's an article everyone could read to show how right i have been:
http://www.independent.com/news/2010/aug/17/s...
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Depend on how you were raised and role models in your life

I lost my phone twice and never once was it return to me. What a society we live in. Now you think someone with common decency would return the phone to the rightful owner, but nope. These are the type of trash that live in LA.

For me, if I found someone's wallet or phone, I would try to return it to that person. It's the right thing to do. That's because of how I was raised, to respect other people and their property. To get educated and make something of myself.

I see so many cholo dad dressing their 5 year old kids in cholo clothing, thinking it's cool. The kids running around causing all kid of trouble at the department store. It's that mentally that keep the kids from archiving what they can do in life. They learn to steal, get into trouble without taking personal responsibility.

Anyways, the point is to raise your kids properly so they don't become a disappointed, or worst, a criminal.
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Aug 18, 2010
 
El Tigre Chino wrote:

I lost my phone twice and never once was it return to me. What a society we live in. Now you think someone with common decency would return the phone to the rightful owner, but nope. These are the type of trash that live in LA.
When I was in Japan, someone had left an iPod. Someone else had taped a sign to a pole with an arrow pointing down to the iPod sitting on a bench. Thousands of people walking by and no-one took it. Amazing.

Another interesting thing: even with the violence (martial arts) in TV shows, they are a very non-violent culture. Random assaults, school fights, etc are very rare compared to the US.
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#57
Aug 20, 2010
 
That was my uncle right there!:(
so all of you guys saying stuff go **CK YOURSELVES!
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#58
Aug 20, 2010
 
I'm very sorry that your uncle's poor decisions resulted in his death.
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That was my uncle right there!:(
so all of you guys saying stuff go ****** YOURSELVES!
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#59
Feb 25, 2013
 
should of never fcked around with real G's
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Feb 26, 2013
 
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This is old news. Did you just get out of prison?
NO U.S.M.C
Just reading old stories from my old neighborhood
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Feb 26, 2013
 
Rosemead ca wrote:
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NO U.S.M.C
Just reading old stories from my old neighborhood
Good for you.

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