Two suspects in Tyler Tenorio slaying appear in court

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Two suspected gang members accused of taking part in a gang fight that left a Santa Cruz High School student dead last fall made their first court appearances Friday morning, but did not enter pleas.
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"The deadly violence stemmed from a territorial claim reportedly made by one of Tenorio's friends at two gang members sitting on the street corner.

"The statement can have gang meaning, and the two groups started fighting. Tenorio's friends got away, but the boy fell and was stabbed 16 times. He died at the scene."

You know, what I find curious is this attitude that Tyler's friends started the fight by shouting something out (previously reported as "Westside").

According to what I've read in the Sentinel today and previously, there were 2 gangsters on the corner.

Tyler and his friends, and these 2 gangsters exchanged words.

Tyler and his friends, either together or in some combination of 2s, approached these gangsters.

These 2 gangsters whistled or otherwise signaled, and from out of nowhere a group of up to a dozen gang members appeared.

Tyler and his friends tried to run, Tyler was tripped and stabbed 16 times.

Questions unanswered so far - how is it that these other guys who answered the signal just happened to be hanging out within whistling range, so that they were able to appear instantly?

Unless, of course, it was a set up, and the two guys on the corner were bait, and this type of thing was planned.

Gang initiation perhaps?

Which is really about the only thing that makes sense to me.

What really doesn't make sense to me are those who claim that Tyler and his friends somehow deserved it, because BPSC gets to claim that territory, and the rest of us should just know this already.

Why is the Sentinel focus on blaming Tyler and his friends, rather than the two guys who were bait for the other up to a dozen guys who were apparently planning this type of confrontation to begin with?
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Xanthippe wrote:
"The deadly violence stemmed from a territorial claim reportedly made by one of Tenorio's friends at two gang members sitting on the street corner.
"The statement can have gang meaning, and the two groups started fighting. Tenorio's friends got away, but the boy fell and was stabbed 16 times. He died at the scene."
You know, what I find curious is this attitude that Tyler's friends started the fight by shouting something out (previously reported as "Westside").
According to what I've read in the Sentinel today and previously, there were 2 gangsters on the corner.
Tyler and his friends, and these 2 gangsters exchanged words.
Tyler and his friends, either together or in some combination of 2s, approached these gangsters.
These 2 gangsters whistled or otherwise signaled, and from out of nowhere a group of up to a dozen gang members appeared.
Tyler and his friends tried to run, Tyler was tripped and stabbed 16 times.
Questions unanswered so far - how is it that these other guys who answered the signal just happened to be hanging out within whistling range, so that they were able to appear instantly?
Unless, of course, it was a set up, and the two guys on the corner were bait, and this type of thing was planned.
Gang initiation perhaps?
Which is really about the only thing that makes sense to me.
What really doesn't make sense to me are those who claim that Tyler and his friends somehow deserved it, because BPSC gets to claim that territory, and the rest of us should just know this already.
Why is the Sentinel focus on blaming Tyler and his friends, rather than the two guys who were bait for the other up to a dozen guys who were apparently planning this type of confrontation to begin with?
The whole tragic affair would have been avoided if Tyler's friend
just kept on driving. Testosterone and perceived superiority in numbers caused these young men to make a foolish and fatal decision. A high price was paid for a lesson on minding one's business.
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I read it differently. I view the Sentinel article as trying to cover up the fact that Tenorio and friends were the initiators of the confrontation.

The victim doesn't need to be blamed, but let's also not pretend that he was innocently walking down the street when he was jumped by random gang bangers.
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Not all illegals are hard working people !!! which gives the ones who are a bad Rap !!! sadly theres bad seeds in every group or ethnicity the ones who dont deserve to breath the same AIR as the rest of us need to be GONE !!!
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So after we spend thousands of dollars and get a conviction, we house him and pay thousands more or evict him back to Mexico and he walks back in?
This is the crazy world we live in. Wouldn't it be cheaper in the long run to build a big wall, deport all the illegals, and shut the gate?
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Tenorio suffered 16 stab wounds and died on the street.

Walter Escalante who belongs to a Santa Cruz gang was arrested after forensic evidence tied him to Tyler Tenorio's death. Another suspect, Paulo Luna, 23, fled to mexico. Escalante, a Mexican national, also is in the U.S. illegally.

These surenos claim chestnut. Escalante has a history of arrests in Santa Cruz for gang violence and was
on probation - yet even after several arrest and jail time, the police did not seek his deportation.

Why were these criminals not deported after their first arrests? Sanctuary city policy is killing local teenagers and is the moral responsibility of the city council. The police are culpable for not deporting these individulas when releaseing them from jail. Blood is on all their hands.
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TrumanCat wrote:
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The whole tragic affair would have been avoided if Tyler's friend
just kept on driving. Testosterone and perceived superiority in numbers caused these young men to make a foolish and fatal decision. A high price was paid for a lesson on minding one's business.
The whole "affair" could have been avoided if the police would more aggressively deal with gangs in santa cruz. The police know all the bangers, they have been arrested several times.
The system here is catch and release. charges are watered down, and perps are often paroled after a few months for serious felonys. Often, they are know to not be a US citizens, but sanctuary protects felons. I'd rather have a sanctuary for stupid teenagers than sureno murdering gangbangers. The problem is that the surenos have claimed chestnut street and are willing to kill to keep it. Take Back Santa Cruz, needs to take back chestnut. Or you could continue to just drive on by...
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Xanthippe wrote:
"The deadly violence stemmed from a territorial claim reportedly made by one of Tenorio's friends at two gang members sitting on the street corner.
"The statement can have gang meaning, and the two groups started fighting. Tenorio's friends got away, but the boy fell and was stabbed 16 times. He died at the scene."
You know, what I find curious is this attitude that Tyler's friends started the fight by shouting something out (previously reported as "Westside").
According to what I've read in the Sentinel today and previously, there were 2 gangsters on the corner.
Tyler and his friends, and these 2 gangsters exchanged words.
Tyler and his friends, either together or in some combination of 2s, approached these gangsters.
These 2 gangsters whistled or otherwise signaled, and from out of nowhere a group of up to a dozen gang members appeared.
Tyler and his friends tried to run, Tyler was tripped and stabbed 16 times.
Questions unanswered so far - how is it that these other guys who answered the signal just happened to be hanging out within whistling range, so that they were able to appear instantly?
Unless, of course, it was a set up, and the two guys on the corner were bait, and this type of thing was planned.
Gang initiation perhaps?
Which is really about the only thing that makes sense to me.
What really doesn't make sense to me are those who claim that Tyler and his friends somehow deserved it, because BPSC gets to claim that territory, and the rest of us should just know this already.
Why is the Sentinel focus on blaming Tyler and his friends, rather than the two guys who were bait for the other up to a dozen guys who were apparently planning this type of confrontation to begin with?
Kids have been yelling westside/eastside since at least the early eightys when I moved here. Just a bunch of silly kids - mostly was a class thing as the westside has nicer homes. More recently - it has gang connotations, but not the sort that the surenos on cehstnut are, which means payola to the seargents and to upper level thugs - and of course the initiation, committing a serious felony (including murder) as witnessed by other gang members to demonstrate your commitment - and that your not a narc.
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Xanthippe wrote:
"The deadly violence stemmed from a territorial claim reportedly made by one of Tenorio's friends at two gang members sitting on the street corner.
"The statement can have gang meaning, and the two groups started fighting. Tenorio's friends got away, but the boy fell and was stabbed 16 times. He died at the scene."
You know, what I find curious is this attitude that Tyler's friends started the fight by shouting something out (previously reported as "Westside").
According to what I've read in the Sentinel today and previously, there were 2 gangsters on the corner.
Tyler and his friends, and these 2 gangsters exchanged words.
Tyler and his friends, either together or in some combination of 2s, approached these gangsters.
These 2 gangsters whistled or otherwise signaled, and from out of nowhere a group of up to a dozen gang members appeared.
Tyler and his friends tried to run, Tyler was tripped and stabbed 16 times.
Questions unanswered so far - how is it that these other guys who answered the signal just happened to be hanging out within whistling range, so that they were able to appear instantly?
Unless, of course, it was a set up, and the two guys on the corner were bait, and this type of thing was planned.
Gang initiation perhaps?
Which is really about the only thing that makes sense to me.
What really doesn't make sense to me are those who claim that Tyler and his friends somehow deserved it, because BPSC gets to claim that territory, and the rest of us should just know this already.
Why is the Sentinel focus on blaming Tyler and his friends, rather than the two guys who were bait for the other up to a dozen guys who were apparently planning this type of confrontation to begin with?
My opinion is because they are now part of the San Jose Mercury News and have the same bias as that newspaper does
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TrumanCat wrote:
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The whole tragic affair would have been avoided if Tyler's friend
just kept on driving. Testosterone and perceived superiority in numbers caused these young men to make a foolish and fatal decision. A high price was paid for a lesson on minding one's business.
Only avoided for a short while. In Salinas little tykes have been shot and I lived in a really nice area and gangs went up and down the street shooting out front windows (and almost shot a young mother holding a baby). They are terrorists, really. They will shot at you if you are in the way of their target. Of course, one never should respond to them as they consider any response (or non response) "disrespect." Yet, they do not respect us at all. I think we cannot be too tough on them and their families and we have to send them a tough message
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Xanthippe wrote:
"The deadly violence stemmed from a territorial claim reportedly made by one of Tenorio's friends at two gang members sitting on the street corner.
"The statement can have gang meaning, and the two groups started fighting. Tenorio's friends got away, but the boy fell and was stabbed 16 times. He died at the scene."
You know, what I find curious is this attitude that Tyler's friends started the fight by shouting something out (previously reported as "Westside").
According to what I've read in the Sentinel today and previously, there were 2 gangsters on the corner.
Tyler and his friends, and these 2 gangsters exchanged words.
Tyler and his friends, either together or in some combination of 2s, approached these gangsters.
These 2 gangsters whistled or otherwise signaled, and from out of nowhere a group of up to a dozen gang members appeared.
Tyler and his friends tried to run, Tyler was tripped and stabbed 16 times.
Questions unanswered so far - how is it that these other guys who answered the signal just happened to be hanging out within whistling range, so that they were able to appear instantly?
Unless, of course, it was a set up, and the two guys on the corner were bait, and this type of thing was planned.
Gang initiation perhaps?
Which is really about the only thing that makes sense to me.
What really doesn't make sense to me are those who claim that Tyler and his friends somehow deserved it, because BPSC gets to claim that territory, and the rest of us should just know this already.
Why is the Sentinel focus on blaming Tyler and his friends, rather than the two guys who were bait for the other up to a dozen guys who were apparently planning this type of confrontation to begin with?
You are assuming and supposing an awful lot there, Thippers.

A set-up? yeah, right. Do you really think any of those guys would think that far ahead?

As for why there might be so many gangsters around that area, consider two things:

Gangs deal in drugs and prostitution

That corner and the surrounding area are a known marketplace for both.
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Talking about biting the hand that feeds you. Illegal Mexicans claiming our neighborhoods as territory and killing people who protest this notion?? Sanctuary city is a stupid idea as is all this Sect 8 housing next to SC High School and conveniently near the other slum, Beach Flats. What was Katherine Beiers et all thinking? Lay out the welcome mat and give them shelter, why? I don't get it? What was the reasoning? Wasn't the conclusion obvious. Well, it's a lot harder getting rid of these creeps now they are here. What a mess.
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Talking about biting the hand that feeds you. Illegal Mexicans claiming our neighborhoods as territory and killing people who protest this notion?? Sanctuary city is a stupid idea as is all this Sect 8 housing next to SC High School and conveniently near the other slum, Beach Flats. What was Katherine Beiers et all thinking? Lay out the welcome mat and give them shelter, why? I don't get it? What was the reasoning? Wasn't the conclusion obvious. Well, it's a lot harder getting rid of these creeps now they are here. What a mess.
..........Absolutely correct. theirs is prison mentality only prison is too good for them.
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Actually I think Xanthippe is right too! It was a set up, those killers were looking to do just that...Kill somebody! What kind of maniac leaves their house looking for someone to kill?
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How would it be a setup if the other group has to stop their car, get out and approach them. To many variables for it to be preplanned on BPSC's part. But since you are bringing up gang initiation, how do we know that Tyler and his friends weren't the one's initiating a new member? Carload of red's see 2 blue's on the corner, stop their car and initiate a fight. Sound more logical to me.
Xanthippe wrote:
"The deadly violence stemmed from a territorial claim reportedly made by one of Tenorio's friends at two gang members sitting on the street corner.
"The statement can have gang meaning, and the two groups started fighting. Tenorio's friends got away, but the boy fell and was stabbed 16 times. He died at the scene."
You know, what I find curious is this attitude that Tyler's friends started the fight by shouting something out (previously reported as "Westside").
According to what I've read in the Sentinel today and previously, there were 2 gangsters on the corner.
Tyler and his friends, and these 2 gangsters exchanged words.
Tyler and his friends, either together or in some combination of 2s, approached these gangsters.
These 2 gangsters whistled or otherwise signaled, and from out of nowhere a group of up to a dozen gang members appeared.
Tyler and his friends tried to run, Tyler was tripped and stabbed 16 times.
Questions unanswered so far - how is it that these other guys who answered the signal just happened to be hanging out within whistling range, so that they were able to appear instantly?
Unless, of course, it was a set up, and the two guys on the corner were bait, and this type of thing was planned.
Gang initiation perhaps?
Which is really about the only thing that makes sense to me.
What really doesn't make sense to me are those who claim that Tyler and his friends somehow deserved it, because BPSC gets to claim that territory, and the rest of us should just know this already.
Why is the Sentinel focus on blaming Tyler and his friends, rather than the two guys who were bait for the other up to a dozen guys who were apparently planning this type of confrontation to begin with?
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this is a mess. how can we fix it?
I'm going to check out the next city council meeting.
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Dear WOW, ....Wow are you kidding me. Tyler and his friends were unarmed and didn't have ten compadres waiting in the bushes. this was an ambush..
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Every time Jennifer rewrites this story it is different each time. The police press releases all say it was instigated by the sureno gang members and have from the beginning.
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aptos wrote:
this is a mess. how can we fix it?
I'm going to check out the next city council meeting.
if The John Stewart Company's video cameras at the Chestnut Street Apartments all worked, then there would have been objective evidence for the SCPD investigation and the DA prosecution. also, The John Stewart Company does not allow individual residents of its apartment complexes to secure their apartments with video cameras. if they did, someone's camera might have solved this crime for the police long ago. the same situation happened at the Mission Gardens Apartments for Carl Reimer's murder. if The John Stewart Company had allowed me to secure my apartment with a video camera as i asked permission to, the SCPD would have already solved Carl Reimer's murder. so ask the city council to force The John Stewart Company to secure their properties with working video cameras and to allow individual residents to secure their apartments with their own cameras.

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Every time Jennifer rewrites this story it is different each time. The police press releases all say it was instigated by the sureno gang members and have from the beginning.
It sounds to me like it is written by a defense attorney, or someone with an interest in painting BPSC in the best possible light under the circumstances. This is the first article, I believe, that has stated that Tyler fell, rather than was tripped.

I'm trying to understand the thinking here but failing. I do not understand the mindset.

It's condescending to Hispanics, for one thing. But Santa Cruz progressives do have a penchant for treating them like special pets.

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