California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

[Big D]

Mr Anderson wrote:

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I feel gooey all over!!
LOL;)

that is the pot talking :)

[Mr Anderson]

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>lol....don't paint the great obama as being in the middle...lol....that is funny.....The only middle is his constant use of loving and protecting the middle class, if he says it enough you fools will believe it.

he is not in the middle huh??

I hope you dont think mitt was?

his campaign was RUN on a promise to extend the bush tax cuts for the middle class.....and he's reiterated that pledge about a half dozens times in the last week, since he cleaned the floor with romneys face.

ive never seen a winning cadidate for president act so egalitaran and "work like" aftr a stunnin "middle" class victory....

dont blame Obama for being such a centrist.....he is only taking over political turf that YOUR OWN party surrendered, like O romney care, which was first proposed as an alternative to "hillary" care by chuck grassley and orrin hatch(both rethugs)

[Big D]

Mr Anderson wrote:

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you make it oud like a majority of the people who voted for romney make MORE than 250000 a year....
when they DONT!!
they will appreciate the extention of he tax cuts!!
as will I
the ony people wo will ge back to the 90'sare those making OVER a quarter million a year....
what is the effective rate hike fo soeonemking 250000 a year?
3% or $7500 extra !!
wow WHAT A huge extra gouge in a quarter mil.
your insistance that the rich be let off along with the middle class is infantile.
the middle class actaully spends their tax break.

You are right, the lower income folks don’t vote for republicans because of the upper income tax breaks.

They vote for them because of fear

Fear of immigrants
Fear of other religions ( or the unreligious )
Fear of other races
Fear of equality of either sex and orientations

How does the GOP reach out to those folks that so much of their base is afraid of, without losing their base?

I am not sure they can

[One Way]

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>Even if you don't believe in God or the Bible, Proverbs has some good life lessons. I'm in no way pushing religion on anyone. Sorry if you see it that way.

Kid, if you are spiritual to the degree that religion is irrelevant, you will have nothing for which to apologize.
God never made his work to mend.
Does this clarify where our problems come from?

[Mr Anderson]

Big D wrote:

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that is the pot talking :)

it could be the french roast..

slicardo has called me many nasty things, but never "wise"

I guees to be that humble?? he had to quote the bible, instead of just coming out an saying.

"I like how you think!!"

they need a comment icon for that!!

p: riccardo sort of favors legalization, so he is NOT that bad after all.

not compared to some of the teatards who post here, like, pulaski Tn.

[Mr Anderson]

Big D wrote:

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You are right, the lower income folks don’t vote for republicans because of the upper income tax breaks.
They vote for them because of fear
Fear of immigrants
Fear of other religions ( or the unreligious )
Fear of other races
Fear of equality of either sex and orientations
How does the GOP reach out to those folks that so much of their base is afraid of, without losing their base?
I am not sure they can

that is the great political battle huh??

getting all your ducks in row in a specific party platform..

both parties have "big tents"

I guess the dems just have better control of their fringy hordes..

they dont even HAVE to scare us themseves, to get us to vote FOR them, and AGainst the far right..

........the rethugs can accomplish that themselves with their rhetoric..

..because that is where the rethugs have drifted off to..

..... to the far right....leaving the dems(lead by the great Obama), to coopt some of that political turf.......most notably with regard to Obama's signature achievement..the ACA.

[Big D]

Mr Anderson wrote:

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it could be the french roast..
slicardo has called me many nasty things, but never "wise"
I guees to be that humble?? he had to quote the bible, instead of just coming out an saying.
"I like how you think!!"
they need a comment icon for that!!
p: riccardo sort of favors legalization, so he is NOT that bad after all.
not compared to some of the teatards who post here, like, pulaski Tn.

I try to think the best of everyone, at least at first.

Riccardo is not all bad, he and I have agreed on a couple of things anyway.

I wish they could do that in congress, find common ground and get at least something done. But it is all posture for the party and nothing gets done.

for me, it is country first, American people first, party is way down the list

[Neo]

They call you strange and say it's the drugs talking.
And if books were a crime it would be pretty obvious who was reading.
Don't you think if there was an effort to make a commodity of people's ignorance that it would require gaining knowledge be regarded as some kind of crime?
Take the red pill. Is this conceit or wisdom?
Ask me in the matrix.

[Mr Anderson]

Neo wrote:

They call you strange and say it's the drugs talking.
And if books were a crime it would be pretty obvious who was reading.
Don't you think if there was an effort to make a commodity of people's ignorance that it would require gaining knowledge be regarded as some kind of crime?
Take the red pill. Is this conceit or wisdom?
Ask me in the matrix.

I kinda see that as the one of the dominatnt modern politcal

paradigms...

both parties sell fear to convince their more fringe voters to show up at the polls and vote "against" neo conservatism or progressivism....

the rethugs hate the idea of sharing a few percent more.....

or civil liberties for all...

and the libs hate the idea of religion or greed setting the tone for the poltical debate.

[Big D]

Mr Anderson wrote:

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that is the great political battle huh??
getting all your ducks in row in a specific party platform..
both parties have "big tents"
I guess the dems just have better control of their fringy hordes..
they dont even HAVE to scare us themseves, to get us to vote FOR them, and AGainst the far right..
........the rethugs can accomplish that themselves with their rhetoric..
..because that is where the rethugs have drifted off to..
..... to the far right....leaving the dems(lead by the great Obama), to coopt some of that political turf.......most notably with regard to Obama's signature achievement..the ACA.

“The fringy hordes”, I like that &#61514;

and you are right, the fringy hordes in charge of nominations on the GOP side, not so with the Democrat side.

The problem is the "big tent" on the GOP side has been shrunk by the fringy hordes, and they are insistent ( I know quite a few of them ) their solution is to hunt down RINO's and drive them out of the party.... if they succeed in driving anyone else out of the party, they won’t have a shot in hell in the next election.

[Mr Anderson]

Big D wrote:

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I try to think the best of everyone, at least at first.
Riccardo is not all bad, he and I have agreed on a couple of things anyway.
I wish they could do that in congress, find common ground and get at least something done. But it is all posture for the party and nothing gets done.
for me, it is country first, American people first, party is way down the list

it is clearly the orthodoxy of the tea party that holding up the political process....

the senate rethugs can obstrcut as well.....but the congress is loony central....

they were sworn in two years ago, and got right to work on the pressing cause of our collapsed economy, abortion(sarc) and the retracting of womens health after 4 decades.....

talk about backwards??

[300 Million Agree]

We should highjack policy and govern ourselves,
like in a Democracy.

[Mr Anderson]

One Way wrote:

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Kid, if you are spiritual to the degree that religion is irrelevant, you will have nothing for which to apologize.
God never made his work to mend.
Does this clarify where our problems come from?

the religious often dont realize sprituality is something of and to itself.....the connection that each living thing has to the unseen and metaphysical aspects of our %&%*^%$. existance

while religion is tradtion and doctrine, and was invented by us humans...

and some people REALLy do need it......well call them the, "meek"

[RiccardoFire]

Mr Anderson wrote:

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he is not in the middle huh??
I hope you dont think mitt was?
his campaign was RUN on a promise to extend the bush tax cuts for the middle class.....and he's reiterated that pledge about a half dozens times in the last week, since he cleaned the floor with romneys face.
ive never seen a winning cadidate for president act so egalitaran and "work like" aftr a stunnin "middle" class victory....
dont blame Obama for being such a centrist.....he is only taking over political turf that YOUR OWN party surrendered, like O romney care, which was first proposed as an alternative to "hillary" care by chuck grassley and orrin hatch(both rethugs)

The only thing Obama is in the middle of is Liberalism. No I don't think Romney was. It is what it is. Keep believing the middle class is getting this big tax break. Not going to argue because it's something we will see. Sorry, but I don't care who is in charge or what party, politicians will still be politicians, don't buy their garbage.

[Big D]

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>The only thing Obama is in the middle of is Liberalism.

I suppose from the perspective of the GOP fringy horde ( I love that term Mr Anderson) it would look that way.

I am a moderate, and to me, Obama is far too moderate leaning toward the right, he has not dismantled the GOP infrastructure that put us in the current financial mess we are in near fast enough.

Obama has been somewhat of a disappointment, and a lot of us hoped for more. But that doesn’t me we are going to let the fox back into the henhouse, you don’t fix WW2 Germany by putting Adolf back in charge.

[sociopathic Liberals]

Mr Anderson wrote:

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I feel gooey all over!!
LOL;)

Remember the old black light poster...'Stoned Again'? LMAO
That was not a shot at you, just memories!!!

[300 Million Agree]

Mr Anderson wrote:

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the religious often dont realize sprituality is something of and to itself.....the connection that each living thing has to the unseen and metaphysical aspects of our %&%*^%$. existance
while religion is tradtion and doctrine, and was invented by us humans...
and some people REALLy do need it......well call them the, "meek"

Don't worry, we'll all get it if it takes an eternity (hee heh).
I really believe everything that can be will be.
I mean, when you look up- there certainly seems to be enough space for it to happen in.

[Big D]

sociopathic Liberals wrote:

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Remember the old black light poster...'Stoned Again'? LMAO
That was not a shot at you, just memories!!!

I am reminded of ( showing my age now ) of a Fabulous Furry Freak Brothers poster.

"Drugs will get you through times of no money, better than money will get you through times of no drugs"

( chuckle )

[RiccardoFire]

Big D wrote:

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I suppose from the perspective of the GOP fringy horde ( I love that term Mr Anderson) it would look that way.
I am a moderate, and to me, Obama is far too moderate leaning toward the right, he has not dismantled the GOP infrastructure that put us in the current financial mess we are in near fast enough.
Obama has been somewhat of a disappointment, and a lot of us hoped for more. But that doesn’t me we are going to let the fox back into the henhouse, you don’t fix WW2 Germany by putting Adolf back in charge.

lol...yeah, he needs to be more to the left....So now the GOP compares to Hitler...lol.....You might need to read what you write, actually what u want is a one sided Government, just like Adolph. It's fools like you that blame one side for all the problems, the reason none of us can get along. why do u hate so much? Because their beliefs serve their ego rather than reality, Leftists just KNOW what is good for us..

Why are Leftists always talking about hate? Because it fills their own hearts

The failure of the Soviet experiment has definitely made the American Left more vicious and hate-filled than they were. The plain failure of what passed for ideas among them has enraged rather than humbled them

Thank you for showing what you are.

[Mr Anderson]

RiccardoFire wrote:

<quoted text>The only thing Obama is in the middle of is Liberalism. No I don't think Romney was. It is what it is. Keep believing the middle class is getting this big tax break. Not going to argue because it's something we will see. Sorry, but I don't care who is in charge or what party, politicians will still be politicians, don't buy their garbage.

I dont get it riccardo?? why dont you want a tax break??

is it a pouty childish concept ???

when you want only a tax break for the wealthy, and you dont even make that kinda money???/ voting for the interets of a group of people that doesnt have your best interests in mind, is stoooopid.......especially when they will ONLY give a tax break to the wealthy...

that is why I call you fools, the billionaires rights party....

because you always argue their points for them...

bush's tax cut was big...but when you looked at chart howing who got what??? the wealthy were disproportionately favored...

romneys original tea party primaries, tax plan?? or ryans? called for JUst tax breaks for the wealthy...

it was in the general election that he "rebranded his plan"

in fact right AT the first debate was the first we heard about this new "moderate mitt"

mabey he should have tacked back to the center right after the convention instead.....I guess to many tea partietrs were watching!!

liberal has in fact become centrist.....

mostly because you guys are WAY to the right of where you used to be......like obama'romney grassley, hatch care.