Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 | Posted by: Topix | Full story: www.cnn.com

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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veryvermilion wrote:
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From Wikipedia...
The Bill of Rights lists specifically enumerated rights. The Supreme Court has extended fundamental rights by recognizing several fundamental rights not specifically enumerated in the Constitution, including but not limited to:
The right to interstate travel
The right to intrastate travel
The right to privacy (which includes within it a set of rights) including:
a. THE RIGHT TO MARRIAGE (emphasis added)
b. The right to procreation
c. The right for a woman to choose to have an abortion before fetal viability
d. The right to contraception (the right to use contraceptive devices)[16]
e. The right of family relations (the right of related persons to live together)
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Now, I'm not an attorney. I won't pretend to be one. But it's my understanding that "the right to marry" has been supported by 14 Supreme Court Cases.
I would say that your claim has been disproven!
Wow, from google to wiki. You really are a genius.

BTW, I didn't ask you for a list of things the court HAS done, I asked you from where they found the enumerated power TO do it.

I'm sorry that you simply bow to your overlords without question. I suggest you spend a little less time on google and wiki, and a little more time on the Constitution, Federalist Papers, Madison Journal etc.

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veryvermilion wrote:
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Now, I'm not an attorney. I won't pretend to be one.
That's an understatement.
veryvermilion wrote:
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But it's my understanding that "the right to marry" has been supported by 14 Supreme Court Cases.
That is because you use wiki too much.

What the court has upheld is the "right" of the GOVERNMENT to REGULATE marriage.

If marriage was a "right" there would be no regulation, there would be no license, there would be NO definition. It would be something you could partake in with complete FREEDOM from government.

Funny how everyone seems to understand that driving in a "privilege" but are somehow confused when it comes to marriage?

Both require a license, both require that one meet certain criteria to qualify, yet somehow there is confusion.

Sad thing is, if the homosexual community had framed their position correctly without rhetoric. If they had taken the position that the government doesn't have the "power" to regulate the personal lives of their citizens. If it had been truly framed as a fight for FREEDOM. They would have probably met little resistance, and had nearly 100% support.

Where does the government gain the right to regulate the personal lives of the citizen? The answer is quite simple, we gave it to them, and we continue to do so. The one and only truth is, that is the SCOTUS rules a national "right" to same sex marriage, you haven't "won" anything. You have simply expanded the governments role in your personal lives.
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I would say that your claim has been disproven!
Buy a dictionary:

"disproven"

The word you've entered isn't in the dictionary. Click on a spelling suggestion below or try again using the search bar above."
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dis...

dis·prove
[dis-proov] Show IPA
verb (used with object), dis·proved, dis·prov·ing.
to prove (an assertion, claim, etc.) to be false or wrong; refute; invalidate: I disproved his claim.
Origin:
1350–1400; Middle English < Anglo-French, Old French desprover, equivalent to des--dis- 1 + prover to prove

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You are a silly girl.
Do you really think a court can make a duplicated sterile half equate to the union of a man and woman that produce human fruit?
When all is said and done, that vast distinction will still be obvious. No matter what you call it, every time you see a ss couple and a hetero couple, that is exactly what you will know.
I think you will need the 'luck' in the coming months, the slap of reality is bitch.
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Can I answer that question?
Yes! A court can interpret law to determine that same-gender marriage is a right guaranteed to citizens of the U.S.
Furthermore, lawmakers can CREATE a law to give same-gender couples the right to marry.
Welcome to the world that the rest of us live in. Glad to have you back.
Interesting, you fail to answer a direct question to you, but want to jump in on another one. I guess the plate get's to hot when you engage directly. Like with ak...

As to your 'answer'...

Where did I ever talk about 'rights'?

You deliberately avoid the point, because you have absolutely no counter. Of course a court can make laws, and establish rights, whether they be valid or not.

What no man can do is change the clear distinction between a redumbant sterile half relationship with marriage.

The attempt is so silly stupid. When all is said and done, all that will be accomplished is a bunch of duplicate gendered couples with a piece of paper. Everyone will wink and say, "Yep, you're married, reminds me EXACTLY of mom and dad."

Snicker smile.
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KiMare wrote:
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You are a silly girl.
Do you really think a court can make a duplicated sterile half equate to the union of a man and woman that produce human fruit?
When all is said and done, that vast distinction will still be obvious. No matter what you call it, every time you see a ss couple and a hetero couple, that is exactly what you will know.
I think you will need the 'luck' in the coming months, the slap of reality is bitch.
Smirk.
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Interesting, you fail to answer a direct question to you, but want to jump in on another one. I guess the plate get's to hot when you engage directly. Like with ak...
As to your 'answer'...
Where did I ever talk about 'rights'?
You deliberately avoid the point, because you have absolutely no counter. Of course a court can make laws, and establish rights, whether they be valid or not.
What no man can do is change the clear distinction between a redumbant sterile half relationship with marriage.
The attempt is so silly stupid. When all is said and done, all that will be accomplished is a bunch of duplicate gendered couples with a piece of paper. Everyone will wink and say, "Yep, you're married, reminds me EXACTLY of mom and dad."
Snicker smile.
You are so ignorant

Can you please show me the law where Human Fruit is mentioned?

What it is called is marriage, equal regardless of Race, Creed, Color, Sex, Religion, Orientation or National Origin

You are the one avoiding the point, there are already 18,000 legally married same sex couples in California right now, MARRIED, as legal and as recognized as your marriage or any other.

The legal question is why are new same sex couples not given the equal opportunity to marry as the 18,000 same sex couples that already are married.
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you haven't "won" anything.
Wow, this is the problem with only getting your information from Faux news

Are you really unaware of how much they have won so far?

25 years ago no states or nations recognized same sex marriage.

The tally is climbing so fast it is hard to keep up, Delaware is the next state I think, California already does recognize same sex marriage by the way, there are 18,000 legally and recognized same sex married couples in California right now, France looks to be the next nation

They are winning right and left, every month the numbers change, and always in their favor.

We both know that section 3 of DOMA will fall, that means federal recognition of same sex marriage, Prop 8 is doomed no matter what the Supreme Court decides, as it will just go on the next ballot and Prop 8 will go down in a walk.

Are you really this blind as to what is actually happening, open your eyes.
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Do you still practice incest?
No, I never did. How long have you been eating your boogers?
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This is an honest question, when was the last time u slept lol? They got some good stuff in Union City apparently.
I get a good solid eight hours a night, and I don't do speed, you shouldn't either.

I wouldn't know about the quality of crank in Union City but I'll take your word on it.
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F Rizzohasntsleptfor9days wrote:
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O ya I almost forgot to say, see u in about 30 seconds.
No you won't.
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F Rizzohasntsleptfor9days wrote:
Damn wtf is Rizzo at?? He should of been here by now for sure...
That's what happens when your stupid. Your "should have been" are also stupid.
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KiMare wrote:
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You are a silly girl.
Do you really think a court can make a duplicated sterile half equate to the union of a man and woman that produce human fruit?
When all is said and done, that vast distinction will still be obvious. No matter what you call it, every time you see a ss couple and a hetero couple, that is exactly what you will know.
I think you will need the 'luck' in the coming months, the slap of reality is bitch.
Smirk.
you fail to recognize there's a clear distinction and difference between your opinion and the law and the judge's opinions on the cases at hand before SCOTUS.

your opinion does not make nor interpret law. the judge's opinions do. ergo, your opinion, in reality, means nothing, you smirking dolt.
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heartandmind wrote:
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you fail to recognize there's a clear distinction and difference between your opinion and the law and the judge's opinions on the cases at hand before SCOTUS.
your opinion does not make nor interpret law. the judge's opinions do. ergo, your opinion, in reality, means nothing, you smirking dolt.
Actually the distinction will be obvious, there will be married couples and those that look down on other married couples.

And their churches will continue to bleed followers as long as they keep that up.
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<quoted text>Wow Frank, you have a fan club. I wonder if a poll was taken, if you would be voted the biggest liar on topix??
I have no doubt you'll rig it that way.
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Actually the distinction will be obvious, there will be married couples and those that look down on other married couples.
And their churches will continue to bleed followers as long as they keep that up.
Churches bleed now?

Relax, you're such a silly drama princess!
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Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Churches bleed now?
Relax, you're such a silly drama princess!
Yes.. they have been for a number of years

Not silly, just more informed than you are.

The fastest rising affiliation is... no religion at all

The problem is churches became political, which alienated a lot of people and lately has exposed quite a few as little more than hate groups.

These forums show that as well.
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Xavier Breath wrote:
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"Convert" them to SSSB? Oh yeah, you're educated.... sure you are...
Yes, Thank you, for your input.
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Frankie Rizzo wrote:
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Great point! What's it prove again?
Get some substance for chrissakes Miss Ad Hominem.
Hey, Frank, do you know why those people from Joisey are so screwed-up mad? It's because they came that close to being New Yorkers, but fell short, at the last minute. They got ripped off...
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Big D wrote:
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Yes.. they have been for a number of years
Not silly, just more informed than you are.
The fastest rising affiliation is... no religion at all
The problem is churches became political, which alienated a lot of people and lately has exposed quite a few as little more than hate groups.
These forums show that as well.
Maybe churches are losing membership but they are not bleeding you silly drama princess.

I think you hate the "little more than hate groups" much more than they hate anyone.
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Big D wrote:
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another attack on someone that supports same sex marriage
Hey D, why didn't you tell Xav to stop attacking me, for my lack of support for the SSM issue?

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