Former mayor, others oppose city's pl...

Former mayor, others oppose city's plans for more mixed-use develop...

There are 21 comments on the Pasadena Star-News story from Jul 18, 2010, titled Former mayor, others oppose city's plans for more mixed-use develop.... In it, Pasadena Star-News reports that:

Sergio Gonzalez, assistant city manager for South Pasadena, poses Friday, May 14, 2010 at South Pasadena City Hall with a model of the city's Downtown Revitalization Project.

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Old Bastard

United States

#1 Jul 18, 2010
When will these useless bored old people move on with their lives...the next generation of residents wants apple stores and the ability to live near retail and transit.

Why cant they get that into their thick skulls? You want small town? Move to Texas.
tyb stuck in cali

Pasadena, CA

#2 Jul 19, 2010
So Montgomery does not want new people to move in and fill up the schools;why don't they set up guards at the perimeters and shot anyone who wants to come in? Oh-you just don't want people to LIVE there- just spend their $$ there.....
JQ Public

Los Angeles, CA

#4 Jul 19, 2010
What budget problems in South Pasadena? What planet does this elitsit NIMBY lawyer live on???

Some of these same NIMBY's don't want to cut the payments to lawyers of over a million dollars a year from the general fund to "save" South Pasadena from the 710 Tunnel that now will go "under" and not through South Pasadena?

Some of this factional NIMBY lunacy in South Pasadena would be amusing from these elitist's, except for the 12% of Californian's that are out of work, while these spoiled elitist's kill jobs and our future.......

Thank goodness, that even a majority in South Pasadena are beginning to stand up to these Luddite job killer NIMBY extremists, and are willing to look at real solutions, including supporting the EIS of the 710 Tunnel ,and some decent small developments to make downtown more pleasant, and to anchor the downtown retail tax base..........
Andy K

AOL

#5 Jul 19, 2010
I suggest the Assistant City Manager take a tour and look at all of the vacant condos in the general area. To suggest it is great that we have our own police that costs more than $1 million to have a city force rather than contract out the service is just another sign of the dumb ideas that flow from this city.
Jim C

Santa Clarita, CA

#6 Jul 19, 2010
Well I guess all of a sudden mixed use is a bad thing for Mr. Montgomery. But it wasn't when he was representing Randy Wang in Temple City when Wang was attempting to put in a 52 condo mixed use project at Las Tunas and Rosemead Blvd.
All his concerns today weren't important when we in Temple City voiced the same against his client. The result can be seen in the vacant lot on that corner today.
What's wrong with having live/work areas in your city and increasing the tax base with more shopping opportunities, making South Pasadena a shopping destination, Mr. Montgomery?

“Fly low and avoid the penguins”

Since: Dec 09

Pasadena

#7 Jul 19, 2010
Maybe a few more residents could help keep some of the businesses in downtown So. Pas. stay open for more than a couple of months. I'm sorry, but I don't see So. Pas. as an overly business friendly community, and I've seen so many cool contemporary-minded small businesses just shut down so quickly in little Mayberry. Trust me, I appreciate So. Pas. for everything it is, but as an outside observer, it just seems so hard for a business to make a go of it there, and I don't know if it's the council, the C of C, or a lack of interest on the part of the residents. What gives?
Here Now

Van Nuys, CA

#8 Jul 19, 2010
Oh look. More BIA LULUs!

(Local Unwanted Land Usage).

Talk about your failed business model. A wino can't
take a leak in Pasadena without hitting one of these
things.
Urban Observer

Austin, TX

#9 Jul 21, 2010
The former Mayor seems to be taking NIMBY to new depths. Where exactly does he want the region's growth to go? "Anywhere but here" is not an acceptable answer.
Danforth Livingston Jr

Los Angeles, CA

#10 Jul 21, 2010
I love South Pasadena. It has such lovely little sewing centers, coffee klatches, and antique and curio stores. My wife, Millicent, loves to amble through there during the day. It's so quiet and there are no ne'er-do-wells in the area to harass Millie as she looks for a Queen Anne chair or a rare Lladro. Just last week I took her out for brunch in South Pasadena at a place that had a bit of a cheap menu - no truffles in the omelettes, for instance, and only three types of sparkling water were available - but it was still delightful all the same.

Bravo to South Pasadena as it fights to keep the middle class from penetrating its outer walls and ruining it for those of us of refined tastes.

“Fly low and avoid the penguins”

Since: Dec 09

Pasadena

#11 Jul 21, 2010
Danforth Livingston Jr wrote:
I love South Pasadena.....
SWEET!

Anyway, I think it's sad that So. Pas. is afraid of a little mixed-use in their all of 3-block by 3-block cruciform downtown within domestic arguement ear-shot of the police dept. Sure, they may not need the housing now, but this is a plan for the future, not the doldrums of an economic downturn. Lighten up mayor Quimby--Little Mayberry won't go succomb to the wickedness of the big city any time soon.
common sense

Norco, CA

#12 Jul 21, 2010
This FORMER mayor and his little group of friends are obviously fighting a losing battle... waste of ink to cover it...
Alhambran

United States

#13 Jul 21, 2010
Sounds like the "Mixed-use/Condomania virus" that our city (Alhambra) has suffered from is spreading to our neighbors to the north. Alhambra used to be a quaint, lovely city until the corrupt idiots in our City Hall started coddling developers beginning in the 1960's.

And look what happened. Alhambra now places 3rd in the highest populated /congested cities in the San Gabriel Valley and property values plummeted.

To South Pasadeneans: DON'T LET IT HAPPEN.

“Fly low and avoid the penguins”

Since: Dec 09

Pasadena

#14 Jul 21, 2010
Alhambran wrote:
Sounds like....
No offence, but Alhambra was redeveloped back when design standards were less of a concern. Couple this with the relatively far stretching commercial streets running throughout the town, and you can see that So. Pas. situation is very different.

To start, there is not the glut of apartment houses as there is in Alhambra, and there is minimal potential to build them as there are few suitable lots of large size or not already taken-up with a historic house. So. Pas. also has a rail station well within walking distance of it's proposed development (pretty much the whole town, actually). For downtown working, first-time buying, small-town lovers, it's a great mix.

I'm also trusting that So. Pas. won't be building to the extent, and no where to the scale, of what's going up in Pasadena, and when they do build, builders seem to be producing nice projects (there's not much market for them at the moment, but they are nice projects).

Perhaps the biggest fear the ex-mayor may have is that there could be some extra costs in leaving the sidewalks unrolled a few extra hours each evening, but on to other things: What's up with that arch? Has anyone in your city even heard of trees?
True Freedom

Mission Hills, CA

#15 Jul 21, 2010
Alhambran wrote:
Sounds like the "Mixed-use/Condomania virus" that our city (Alhambra) has suffered from is spreading to our neighbors to the north. Alhambra used to be a quaint, lovely city until the corrupt idiots in our City Hall started coddling developers beginning in the 1960's.
And look what happened. Alhambra now places 3rd in the highest populated /congested cities in the San Gabriel Valley and property values plummeted.
To South Pasadeneans: DON'T LET IT HAPPEN.
This virus has actually infected Sacramento. Alot of it is being mandated by the State's Housing Law, and furthered by "Green Washing" bills like SB 375 or AB 32... which force cities to create high density/ mixed use developments.

check out SCAG ( www.scag.ca.gov ) or the state's housing and community development ( www.hcd.ca.gov ) or go read your city's General Plan.. especially the housing element.

LA is planning to stuff 2.3Million more people into our county.. and high density/ mixed use development is how they are gonna do it.

“Fly low and avoid the penguins”

Since: Dec 09

Pasadena

#16 Jul 21, 2010
True Freedom wrote:
<quoted text>LA is planning to stuff 2.3Million more people into our county.
I'm not sure it's the county stuffing the people in the state. They're coming whether we like it or not. Wait! I thought they were all leaving for the tax benefits of Nevada?[Or the job opportunities of San Diego? ;-)] I'm soooo confused...
True Freedom wrote:
<quoted text>...and high density/ mixed use development is how they are gonna do it.
There's nothing wrong with high density/mixed use if it's balanced well. I just wish other cities would start taking on their share of the growing population burden.
Yusef Robb

Los Angeles, CA

#17 Jul 21, 2010
The city's answer to its fiscal problem is always build, build, build. But that simply strains city services more. It creates a never-ending cycle that only spawns more ill-conceived development. Let's focus on filling the empty storefronts we already have before we build more capacity. Let's reform City Hall instead of allowing them to threaten us with the false choice that we develop or we go broke.

City Hall should respond to residents, not developers who consistently over-promise and under-deliver. The city's homeowners have a vested interest in seeing South Pasadena succeed. A successful South Pas is good for their quality of life and property values. These developers are out for themselves. Philosophically, this is not a bad thing. But it's not the right thing for South Pas.
Confused Parent

AOL

#18 Jul 21, 2010
Unless I am mistaken you have to live in South Pasadena in order to go to school here. There are several families who live in apartments here until their children graduate from high school and then find affordable housing elsewhere. I love living in South Pasadena but I am sure that this new development will not help those who love this city but who can't afford homes here.
Alek F

Glendora, CA

#19 Jul 22, 2010
Welcome to the pathetic SoCa world of NIMBY's; unfortunately Pasadena got plenty of them.
But hopefully, the developers will ignore the senseless arguments of NIMBY's, and will build those great condo's anyway.
Pasadena, as well as Los Angeles as a whole, lacks density, that's why for the most part LA is unattractive and too spread-out; so every new development, especially mixed-use, is a positive thing; it brings our city to a whole new level!
I fully support the developments, and am looking forward to successful completion of the project.
Alek
JQ Public

United States

#20 Jul 22, 2010
I see we have all of the usual whackjob conspiracy theories to explain why developers and cities are responding to changing urban markets? It's all part of the big plot to make us prosperous-NIMBYism forever!
True Freedom

Mission Hills, CA

#21 Jul 22, 2010
Alek F wrote:
Welcome to the pathetic SoCa world of NIMBY's; unfortunately Pasadena got plenty of them.
But hopefully, the developers will ignore the senseless arguments of NIMBY's, and will build those great condo's anyway.
Pasadena, as well as Los Angeles as a whole, lacks density, that's why for the most part LA is unattractive and too spread-out; so every new development, especially mixed-use, is a positive thing; it brings our city to a whole new level!
I fully support the developments, and am looking forward to successful completion of the project.
Alek
So let's see... we've got some of the worst pollution in the nation, some of the worst traffic in the nation, we're rationing water to the people who already live here...

and increasing the population density is going to help this?
Put down your glass and step away from the KookAid

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