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South Pasadena now on record against a tunnel to extend 710 freeway

There are 61 comments on the Pasadena Star-News story from Nov 4, 2010, titled South Pasadena now on record against a tunnel to extend 710 freeway. In it, Pasadena Star-News reports that:

After nearly 60 years of heated debate and more than 40 different resolutions regarding the 710 Freeway extension, City Council members unanimously voted to go on record opposing any extension through South Pasadena.

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Jumping Jim

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#42 Nov 15, 2010
WOW is a TOOL wrote:
He has no argument WP; he just wants to be contrary. If he had a valid argument, he'd have stated it already. He obviously does not live in the area, is scornful of anyone of means, and has limited education in the way of infrastructure, environmentalism, and preservation. It never pays to argue with an Airstream dweller.
I wonder is this 'wow' guy is the same bofo who likes to call people racist when they are against subsidized housing and giveaways to undeserving (low class, low life) people. If so, he is a real idiot, and its impossible to discuss anything with a rock head.
WOW

United States

#43 Nov 16, 2010
If the shoe fits? And, from your previous posts, it sure seems to fit you?

And, not because I want to give away anything to anybody, deserving(?), undeserving (?), or otherwise (?)(you seem to lie a lot about what people post, or maybe you just can't read?). But, because like these frightened luddite nimby's, you seem to be a rather simplistic frightened reactionary sort, too.

Why? Because you folks who suck teabags are as proud of your simplistic fearful ignorance as these elitist luddite nimby fools.

Both sets of fools are into conspiracies, villains, and boogy men to blame. Both sets of fools want to go backward to some non existent state of natural eden, because you can't cope with the changes around you. Both groups eschew fact based reality for thier selective truth, and therefore are incapable of dealing with complex problems, and are prey to simplistic ideological fantasies.

Like the nimby luddites, you wouldn't know a free market principle or idea, if it hit you in the head. And, both sides, for the most part, seem to have avoided really hard classes involving much math or science.

Like the nimby luddites in their elitism, you feel a sense of entitlement or priviliege, only you are afraid of people who are willing to sacrifice and work harder than you do, especially if they're not white.

And, of course, the nimby luddites, just like you, need someone else to blame for the things you can't seem to control, real or percieved.

You blame the "illegals" or "liberals" or "Soros", they blame "Bush" or "big corporations" or "oil companies". But, like them, you are never responsible for creating the conditions around you. That, of course, would be too much work, and take too much responsibility, and take way too much objectivity, insight, emphathy, or compassion?

Or, as I like to call it, in reading these really pathetically ignorant extreme's in today's high quality public discourse: a debate between tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber, on how much more stupid we can possibly be!

Jumping Jim

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#44 Nov 16, 2010
WOW wrote:
If the shoe fits? And, from your previous posts, it sure seems to fit you?
And, not because I want to give away anything to anybody, deserving(?), undeserving (?), or otherwise (?)(you seem to lie a lot about what people post, or maybe you just can't read?). But, because like these frightened luddite nimby's, you seem to be a rather simplistic frightened reactionary sort, too.
Why? Because you folks who suck teabags are as proud of your simplistic fearful ignorance as these elitist luddite nimby fools.
Both sets of fools are into conspiracies, villains, and boogy men to blame. Both sets of fools want to go backward to some non existent state of natural eden, because you can't cope with the changes around you. Both groups eschew fact based reality for thier selective truth, and therefore are incapable of dealing with complex problems, and are prey to simplistic ideological fantasies.
Like the nimby luddites, you wouldn't know a free market principle or idea, if it hit you in the head. And, both sides, for the most part, seem to have avoided really hard classes involving much math or science.
Like the nimby luddites in their elitism, you feel a sense of entitlement or priviliege, only you are afraid of people who are willing to sacrifice and work harder than you do, especially if they're not white.
And, of course, the nimby luddites, just like you, need someone else to blame for the things you can't seem to control, real or percieved.
You blame the "illegals" or "liberals" or "Soros", they blame "Bush" or "big corporations" or "oil companies". But, like them, you are never responsible for creating the conditions around you. That, of course, would be too much work, and take too much responsibility, and take way too much objectivity, insight, emphathy, or compassion?
Or, as I like to call it, in reading these really pathetically ignorant extreme's in today's high quality public discourse: a debate between tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber, on how much more stupid we can possibly be!
Can anyone translate this gibberish.

“Fly low and avoid the penguins”

Since: Dec 09

Pasadena

#45 Nov 16, 2010
@ Jumping Jim,

I'm not sure who it was originally posted toward, but I think it was at you. But here, let me try a translation:
WOW wrote:
If the shoe fits? And, from your previous posts, it sure seems to fit you?
"You're a luddite."
WOW wrote:
And, not because I want to give away anything to anybody, deserving(?), undeserving (?), or otherwise (?)(you seem to lie a lot about what people post, or maybe you just can't read?). But, because like these frightened luddite nimby's, you seem to be a rather simplistic frightened reactionary sort, too.
"You're a luddite."
WOW wrote:
Why? Because you folks who suck teabags are as proud of your simplistic fearful ignorance as these elitist luddite nimby fools.
"You're an elitist luddite."
WOW wrote:
Both sets of fools are into conspiracies, villains, and boogy men to blame. Both sets of fools want to go backward to some non existent state of natural eden, because you can't cope with the changes around you. Both groups eschew fact based reality for thier selective truth, and therefore are incapable of dealing with complex problems, and are prey to simplistic ideological fantasies.
"I'm too stupid to realize that I have a thin grasp on the facts that I repeatedly ignore to suit my own agenda and that I'm adhering to simplistic and outdated modes of development. Oh yeah, and you're a luddite."
WOW wrote:
Like the nimby luddites, you wouldn't know a free market principle or idea, if it hit you in the head. And, both sides, for the most part, seem to have avoided really hard classes involving much math or science.
"Somehow I'm equally too stupid to garner the concept that this is a publically funded project dependent on public moneys, and you're a luddite."
WOW wrote:
Like the nimby luddites in their elitism, you feel a sense of entitlement or priviliege, only you are afraid of people who are willing to sacrifice and work harder than you do, especially if they're not white.
"You're a bigoted luddite."
WOW wrote:
And, of course, the nimby luddites, just like you, need someone else to blame for the things you can't seem to control, real or percieved.
"I'm too stupid to realize that the people I call luddites are just trying to control the course of development in their home town. And you're a luddite."
WOW wrote:
You blame the "illegals" or "liberals" or "Soros", they blame "Bush" or "big corporations" or "oil companies". But, like them, you are never responsible for creating the conditions around you. That, of course, would be too much work, and take too much responsibility, and take way too much objectivity, insight, emphathy, or compassion?
"It's okay for me to blame on the luddites, but not so for you. As a matter of fact, I'd like to impose undesirable conditions on you in spite of your desire to control and limit the adverse effects of having a muttha-fukkin freeway rend your cities assunder, with no consideration or objectivity, attempt at insightful understanding, any semblence of empathy, or the remotest compassion for you, your families, or your communities. And don't forget: You're a luddite."
WOW wrote:
Or, as I like to call it, in reading these really pathetically ignorant extreme's in today's high quality public discourse: a debate between tweedle dumb and tweedle dumber, on how much more stupid we can possibly be!
"I'm not really interested in public discourse. I just really want a freeway. No reason. Just want it. And I really really like the word "Luddite". As a matter of fact, rather than provide discussable arguments, discuss the pros and cons, I really just prefer to call everyone a luddite.

"Plus: You're luddite."

Hope that helps!

Jumping Jim

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#46 Nov 16, 2010
WPArtist wrote:
@ Jumping Jim,
I'm not sure who it was originally posted toward, but I think it was at you. But here, let me try a translation:
<quoted text>
"You're a luddite."
<quoted text>
"You're a luddite."
<quoted text>
"You're an elitist luddite."
<quoted text>
"I'm too stupid to realize that I have a thin grasp on the facts that I repeatedly ignore to suit my own agenda and that I'm adhering to simplistic and outdated modes of development. Oh yeah, and you're a luddite."
<quoted text>
"Somehow I'm equally too stupid to garner the concept that this is a publically funded project dependent on public moneys, and you're a luddite."
<quoted text>
"You're a bigoted luddite."
<quoted text>
"I'm too stupid to realize that the people I call luddites are just trying to control the course of development in their home town. And you're a luddite."
<quoted text>
"It's okay for me to blame on the luddites, but not so for you. As a matter of fact, I'd like to impose undesirable conditions on you in spite of your desire to control and limit the adverse effects of having a muttha-fukkin freeway rend your cities assunder, with no consideration or objectivity, attempt at insightful understanding, any semblence of empathy, or the remotest compassion for you, your families, or your communities. And don't forget: You're a luddite."
<quoted text>
"I'm not really interested in public discourse. I just really want a freeway. No reason. Just want it. And I really really like the word "Luddite". As a matter of fact, rather than provide discussable arguments, discuss the pros and cons, I really just prefer to call everyone a luddite.
"Plus: You're luddite."
Hope that helps!
I am still shaking my head some, but thank you. This guy must live in the funny farm.

“Fly low and avoid the penguins”

Since: Dec 09

Pasadena

#47 Nov 16, 2010
Jumping Jim wrote:
<quoted text>I am still shaking my head some, but thank you. This guy must live in the funny farm.
Helll! And you and I are on opposite sides of this issue.

You damnhippyluddite!
WOW is a TOOL

Los Angeles, CA

#48 Nov 16, 2010
I'm still waiting for him to come up with another two words besides luddite and nimby. Like I said, VERY limited education.

And thanks for the translation WP, now it makes total sense.

Jumping Jim

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#49 Nov 16, 2010
WPArtist wrote:
<quoted text>
Helll! And you and I are on opposite sides of this issue.
You damnhippyluddite!
Nice talk.

“Fly low and avoid the penguins”

Since: Dec 09

Pasadena

#50 Nov 16, 2010
Jumping Jim wrote:
<quoted text>Nice talk.
Well what exactly were you expecting from a nimby elitist luddite?

;-)
DShelley

Huntington Beach, CA

#51 Nov 16, 2010
WPArtist wrote:
<quoted text>
And I don't know if you've noticed, but Pasadena, Alhambra, El Sereno, and South Pasadena are composed of thousands of working class people. Why I've even got one to wipe my butt when the need arises.
Really?:-)

“Fly low and avoid the penguins”

Since: Dec 09

Pasadena

#52 Nov 17, 2010
DShelley wrote:
<quoted text>
Really?:-)
Just my little way of making the trickle-down theory a reality.

;-)
WOW

United States

#53 Nov 17, 2010
I, must be making some headway, I've kept you two fools like you occupied for hours?

“Fly low and avoid the penguins”

Since: Dec 09

Pasadena

#54 Nov 17, 2010
WOW wrote:
I, must be making some headway, I've kept you two fools like you occupied for hours?
I hardly think that a handfull of postings over a period of hours would constitute our undivided occupation to the topic. Really, it was but a diversion between chukkers while the VHC staff cleared the field of steaming divots.
WOW

United States

#55 Nov 18, 2010
No, but, you're so disturbed you had to respond again-what a tool!
DShelley

Huntington Beach, CA

#56 Nov 18, 2010
WPArtist wrote:
<quoted text>
I hardly think that a handfull of postings over a period of hours would constitute our undivided occupation to the topic. Really, it was but a diversion between chukkers while the VHC staff cleared the field of steaming divots.
Sounds like WOW is kind of jealous of that personal butt-wiper you've got!

(Move on, WOW, WPArtist and I have had a few fun exchanges from time to time. It really doesn't concern you!)

Now, about that tunnel thing....
WOW

Los Angeles, CA

#57 Nov 19, 2010
"And I don't know if you've noticed, but Pasadena, Alhambra, El Sereno, and South Pasadena are composed of thousands of working class people. Why I've even got one to wipe my butt when the need arise."-WP Artist????

I didn't really want to get into his needs regarding his personal cleanliness in the bathroom.... it is truly the most amazing, thought provoking, and revealing statement of all of his posts. Of course, if that is where one usually keeps one's head, this response might seem very normal?

Could this be the beginning of yet another story about a dark and scary tunnel? Let us hope not.... that really would be very scary indeed!

Although? Maybe, he'll hire more people to do it for him-and that would create more good jobs for his beloved local working class?

Meanwhile-he can kiss mine....

“a good community is OUR job”

Since: Mar 09

Pasadena

#58 Nov 19, 2010
WOW wrote:
"And I don't know if you've noticed, but Pasadena, Alhambra, El Sereno, and South Pasadena are composed of thousands of working class people. Why I've even got one to wipe my butt when the need arise."-WP Artist????
I didn't really want to get into his needs regarding his personal cleanliness in the bathroom.... it is truly the most amazing, thought provoking, and revealing statement of all of his posts. Of course, if that is where one usually keeps one's head, this response might seem very normal?
Could this be the beginning of yet another story about a dark and scary tunnel? Let us hope not.... that really would be very scary indeed!
Although? Maybe, he'll hire more people to do it for him-and that would create more good jobs for his beloved local working class?
Meanwhile-he can kiss mine....
good to see you are still out there making friends.

“Fly low and avoid the penguins”

Since: Dec 09

Pasadena

#60 Nov 20, 2010
WOW wrote:
"And I don't know if you've noticed, but Pasadena, Alhambra, El Sereno, and South Pasadena are composed of thousands of working class people. Why I've even got one to wipe my butt when the need arise."-WP Artist????
I didn't really want to get into his needs regarding his personal cleanliness in the bathroom.... it is truly the most amazing, thought provoking, and revealing statement of all of his posts. Of course, if that is where one usually keeps one's head, this response might seem very normal?
Could this be the beginning of yet another story about a dark and scary tunnel? Let us hope not.... that really would be very scary indeed!
Although? Maybe, he'll hire more people to do it for him-and that would create more good jobs for his beloved local working class?
Meanwhile-he can kiss mine....
ooooooooOOOOOOOoooooooOOOOOOOO ooooooo......

Dirty talk!

But if you really want to get my attention, you should call me something nasty....Perhaps "Luddite"?! Is that not your word du siecle?
DShelley

Arcadia, CA

#61 Nov 26, 2010
Dirty nasty talk AND French! O mon Dieu! What a turn on!!!
WOW is a Moron

Los Angeles, CA

#62 Jan 28, 2012
When is this idiot going to start using words aside form Luddite, elitist, and Nimby. I doubt he even knows what the word luddite needs. WOW, go some where else. Trailer trash isn't welcome. What we need is more clean mass transit, not a freeway that produces massive amounts of carbon dioxide that goes straight into peoples lungs.

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