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South Pasadena now on record against a tunnel to extend 710 freeway

There are 61 comments on the Pasadena Star-News story from Nov 4, 2010, titled South Pasadena now on record against a tunnel to extend 710 freeway. In it, Pasadena Star-News reports that:

After nearly 60 years of heated debate and more than 40 different resolutions regarding the 710 Freeway extension, City Council members unanimously voted to go on record opposing any extension through South Pasadena.

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Todd Mizuki

United States

#22 Nov 9, 2010
I am getting so sick of this hold off of completion of the 210/710 freeway
extenstion that could of been finished 30 plus years ago I think the
federal epa and the state air resource should taxes South Pasadena a
smog taxs as the longer it is not made more truckers and cars will
smog Pasadena and other city surface streets such as Fremont and Rosemead.

Tax them and maybe they will begin to think, be tax for smog or to allow
the finished of the freeway so South Pasadena,Alhambra and Pasadena
San Marino can run there community business then fight traffic.

“a good community is OUR job”

Since: Mar 09

Pasadena

#23 Nov 9, 2010
Todd Mizuki wrote:
I am getting so sick of this hold off of completion of the 210/710 freeway
extenstion that could of been finished 30 plus years ago I think the
federal epa and the state air resource should taxes South Pasadena a
smog taxs as the longer it is not made more truckers and cars will
smog Pasadena and other city surface streets such as Fremont and Rosemead.
Tax them and maybe they will begin to think, be tax for smog or to allow
the finished of the freeway so South Pasadena,Alhambra and Pasadena
San Marino can run there community business then fight traffic.
Why don't we overtax the surrounding cities who have allowed rampant building, increased population density, etc which have created the need for bigger, wider roads and more freeways? Their allowing more people to live here negatively impacts congestion, pollution, etc.
DShelley

United States

#24 Nov 9, 2010
WPArtist wrote:
<quoted text>
Sorry, babe, but the huge increase of truck traffic would negate any possible benefit. Seriously: Have you traveled the 210 in the Pasadena to Duarte stretch lately?
I have. I drive it every flippin day. It sucks! As I mentioned,the right two lanes are totally monopolized by trucks. Makes is really difficult for the average Joe to enter and exit the freeway, let alone drive. You feel like you are in a giant can crusher and YOU ARE THE CAN!

WPArtist, I agree with you. Whoever is pushing for more of this must be "tarded".:)

Jumping Jim

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#25 Nov 9, 2010
One way or another the state should finish the route, despite anything that snob city tries to do. This mess has gone on way to long for about fifty years, and has screwed up the regional freeway system.
WOW

United States

#26 Nov 10, 2010
I'm not nearly the tool, as much as you're a fool? Don't study any alternative, go back into the caves, it's dangerous outside, you might get eaten...... like neanderthal man, unable to reach the next step, and solve complicated problems...?

I have read the Caltrans documents, and have stated the facts on how trucks are handled in other tunnels, and stated that this is a factual issue to be decided in the environmental analysis, which all of you fearful little luddite's oppose even doing? What are you afraid of?

Now that an increasing majority in South Pasadenan's tired of paying for lawyers favors looking at the tunnel option, you can expect the shrill congestion loving luddites and spoiled children who are happy to drive on your local freeway, or congest your local streets, to whine even more.

“Fly low and avoid the penguins”

Since: Dec 09

Pasadena

#27 Nov 10, 2010
@ wowzer.

So what exactly do you expect to gain by connecting the 710?

For our little collection of burgs, I don't see any benefit that would out weigh the increased truck traffic. And regardless of how "others" did it, the intent is to provide a trucking corridor, not an easy breezy commuter connection so you can personally zip down the freeway at heart stopping speeds--That's a pipe dream and not based on any reality.

So again, I ask, what do you expect to gain?
DShelley

United States

#28 Nov 10, 2010
WPArtist wrote:
@ wowzer.
So what exactly do you expect to gain by connecting the 710?
For our little collection of burgs, I don't see any benefit that would out weigh the increased truck traffic. And regardless of how "others" did it, the intent is to provide a trucking corridor, not an easy breezy commuter connection so you can personally zip down the freeway at heart stopping speeds--That's a pipe dream and not based on any reality.
So again, I ask, what do you expect to gain?
Can't wait for the answer to your question. In a few more hours I'm going put my luddite a-s-s (to get by the TOPIX censors!) and try and work my way from Pasadena to Anaheim in 6:30 traffic with the truck traffic that wandered over hear from the Long Beach, L.A., and San Pedro Harbor areas. May the force be with me!

I live in Pasadena, NOT S. Pas. We do NOT need to be the trucking passageway from China, India, Japan to the rest of the United States. Figure something else out!

Jumping Jim

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#29 Nov 10, 2010
WPArtist wrote:
@ wowzer.
So what exactly do you expect to gain by connecting the 710?
For our little collection of burgs, I don't see any benefit that would out weigh the increased truck traffic. And regardless of how "others" did it, the intent is to provide a trucking corridor, not an easy breezy commuter connection so you can personally zip down the freeway at heart stopping speeds--That's a pipe dream and not based on any reality.
So again, I ask, what do you expect to gain?
How about completing the freeway system, that has served this area well despite jam ups all the time. The trucking corridor is also what is needed, instead of the big-rigs on the surface streets.

“Fly low and avoid the penguins”

Since: Dec 09

Pasadena

#30 Nov 11, 2010
Jumping Jim wrote:
<quoted text>How about completing the freeway system, that has served this area well despite jam ups all the time. The trucking corridor is also what is needed, instead of the big-rigs on the surface streets.
The trucking corridor seems to be doing fine with the 605. I see no advantage in redistributing that traffic through suburbia decreasing property values of two of the highest valued cities, one community that should be going through gentrification in the next decade, and one that has been on the uprise for a few decades, but will gain momemtum once the 710 extension is dead and buried.

And you didn't answer the question: What do you expect to gain? What makes this freeway a plus and not a minus?
Julio

Walnut Creek, CA

#31 Nov 11, 2010
Hey YankeeFlasher,

Do you ever have to drive through Fair Oaks from Pasadena to the 10 FWY every single day?

Didn't think so. The 710 should be extended to make everyone's commute easier.

Jumping Jim

Since: Mar 10

Location hidden

#32 Nov 11, 2010
Julio wrote:
Hey YankeeFlasher,
Do you ever have to drive through Fair Oaks from Pasadena to the 10 FWY every single day?
Didn't think so. The 710 should be extended to make everyone's commute easier.
You tell him good, some people are so dumb they can't understand the obvious.
just sayin

Pasadena, CA

#33 Nov 11, 2010
F ucknimby south pas now I want the 710 to go through just for spite. Better yet shove the 710 up their asz.
WOW

Donie, TX

#34 Nov 12, 2010
WP Elitist, what do I intend?
How about restoration of democratic majority political rule, the rule of law, not allowing an arrogant Pasadewna Mayor to "nullify" public votes on important issues when he disagrees with the outcome?
How about social, economic, and environmental progress? Say from less congestion, more jobs, a more competitive economy, a better standard of living, less fuel consumption, less air pollution, greater range for electric and hybrid vehicles, no loss of historic neighborhoods, and envirnmental losses to trees and the natural landscape, which the completion of the 710 with modern highway tunnelling technology financed by user paying tolls can achieve?
Some of these things may sound stupid to fearmongering elitist luddites, but to most normal people these things probably sound okay?
DShelley

United States

#35 Nov 12, 2010
Julio wrote:
Hey YankeeFlasher,
Do you ever have to drive through Fair Oaks from Pasadena to the 10 FWY every single day?
Didn't think so. The 710 should be extended to make everyone's commute easier.
Do you really think that once the 710 goes through that you are going to go breezing down the freeway with the wind flying through your hair?

I lived in Orange County when the 91 was built. In fact I learned to drive on that freeway, the very first week it was opened. It was built to lessen the traffic on the 405 and 5 heading into L.A. It was only about 2 weeks before it was totally jammed up. The traffic on the 405 and 5 looked pretty much the same as it had before.

The 210 gets worse everyday. No, I haven't driven Fair Oaks to the 10, but I have regularly had to drive down Foothill or Huntington all the way out to Duarte to get on the 605 because the 210 was totally screwed. When the 710 goes through, I have no doubt that Pasadena will become totally grid-locked.

“a good community is OUR job”

Since: Mar 09

Pasadena

#36 Nov 12, 2010
DShelley wrote:
<quoted text>
Do you really think that once the 710 goes through that you are going to go breezing down the freeway with the wind flying through your hair?
I lived in Orange County when the 91 was built. In fact I learned to drive on that freeway, the very first week it was opened. It was built to lessen the traffic on the 405 and 5 heading into L.A. It was only about 2 weeks before it was totally jammed up. The traffic on the 405 and 5 looked pretty much the same as it had before.
The 210 gets worse everyday. No, I haven't driven Fair Oaks to the 10, but I have regularly had to drive down Foothill or Huntington all the way out to Duarte to get on the 605 because the 210 was totally screwed. When the 710 goes through, I have no doubt that Pasadena will become totally grid-locked.
Exactly.
Julio wrote:
Do you ever have to drive through Fair Oaks from Pasadena to the 10 FWY every single day?
Here's an idea... don't like your commute? Move closer to your job, or get a job closer to where you live.

There are many fantastic jobs outside of Pasadena, but I hang on to the one I have here in town because I don't want to spend 1-2 hours in my car everyday.

Instead of whining about your commute... move.

“Fly low and avoid the penguins”

Since: Dec 09

Pasadena

#37 Nov 12, 2010
WOW wrote:
WP Elitist, what do I intend?
The question was: What do you expect to gain?
WOW wrote:
What about restoration of democratic majority political rule, the rule of law, not allowing an arrogant Pasadewna Mayor to "nullify" public votes on important issues when he disagrees with the outcome?
I'm missing something here, please elaborate. But you might have a problem with those people who believe that it is there constitutional right to not have their property taken away from them with out due process, and a problem with a city's right to determine the course of their planning and development.
WOW wrote:
How about social, economic, and environmental progress? Say from less congestion, more jobs, a more competitive economy, a better standard of living, less fuel consumption, less air pollution, greater range for electric and hybrid vehicles, no loss of historic neighborhoods, and envirnmental losses to trees and the natural landscape, which the completion of the 710 with modern highway tunnelling technology financed by user paying tolls can achieve?
And you think a freeway connecting the trucking lines from Long Beach to the 210 will solve this? There's so much wishful thinking in that, that (I'm sorry) it's laughable. I think we need to look at bigger picture solutions.
WOW wrote:
Some of these things may sound stupid to fearmongering elitist luddites, but to most normal people these things probably sound okay?
You're selling a magical freeway that will benefit single occupancy commuters that will somehow eliminate the one thing for which it is planned: trucking; but you run arround calling everyone else an elitist. Everyone else is proposing high-occupancy commuting systems and alternatives against resource wasting trucking, but we're the "elitist".

I'm sorry, but you are a tool. I just don't know if you're a tool of big trucking, oil companies, the auto/trucking industries, CalTrans, or Cloverleaf Industries.

But again, what do you specifically expect to gain from the completion of the 710 extension?
WOW

United States

#38 Nov 15, 2010
What could be better than your buddy Bill Bogaard selling nullification of a public vote to finish the 710 gap, owverwhelminly approved by Pasadena voters? Bill seems to think those voters were stupid and didn't know what they were doing, because he was opposed to it, and knows better?

And, the only tool here is the one your using to jerk everybody off withn your luddite elitist nonsense and "truck phobia"? The overwhelming majority in poll after poll and vote after vote are all "tools" because they disagree with you and your loony fringe luddite cohorts, or fellow spoiled elitist's, right?

If you don't want to have evil trucks, bringing all the crap you need, then why don't you start by not eating? That should eliminate some of those vile working class people from driving those evil trucks into your community?

Of course, the decision on trucks or no trucks in the tunnel hasn't been made yet, has it? And, the traffic and air pollution we breath everyday from local congestion in South Pasadena, Pasadena, and Alhambra is real, isn't it?

Evil scary trucks is just another luddite line being used to prop up your luddite cause. And, you are now frustrated since the tunnel alternative makes sense and eliminates many of the rational objections to the completion of the 710, right?

If we all listened to your selfish, fearmongering, hypocritical nonsense, we'd all starve to death in the dark.

“Fly low and avoid the penguins”

Since: Dec 09

Pasadena

#39 Nov 15, 2010
WOW wrote:
What could be better than your buddy Bill Bogaard selling nullification of a public vote to finish the 710 gap, owverwhelminly approved by Pasadena voters? Bill seems to think those voters were stupid and didn't know what they were doing, because he was opposed to it, and knows better?
Cool. So you have a vendetta agains Bogaard.
WOW wrote:
And, the only tool here is the one your using to jerk everybody off withn your luddite elitist nonsense and "truck phobia"? The overwhelming majority in poll after poll and vote after vote are all "tools" because they disagree with you and your loony fringe luddite cohorts, or fellow spoiled elitist's, right?
If you don't want to have evil trucks, bringing all the crap you need, then why don't you start by not eating? That should eliminate some of those vile working class people from driving those evil trucks into your community?
I guess you missed the part where we noted we don't mind the trucks delivering to our community. It's the ones delivering chinese crap to the hinterlands we don't want. And I don't know if you've noticed, but Pasadena, Alhambra, El Sereno, and South Pasadena are composed of thousands of working class people. Why I've even got one to wipe my butt when the need arises.
WOW wrote:
Of course, the decision on trucks or no trucks in the tunnel hasn't been made yet, has it? And, the traffic and air pollution we breath everyday from local congestion in South Pasadena, Pasadena, and Alhambra is real, isn't it?
Oh wowzie...You do a good job of ignoring sources don't you. Especially the one I've repeated provided for your perusal.
WOW wrote:
Evil scary trucks is just another luddite line being used to prop up your luddite cause. And, you are now frustrated since the tunnel alternative makes sense and eliminates many of the rational objections to the completion of the 710, right?
Evil scary trucks are the reality, my little head-in-the-sand denizen of Crawston's Farm.
WOW wrote:
If we all listened to your selfish, fearmongering, hypocritical nonsense, we'd all starve to death in the dark.
I would not personally gain or lose much from the completion of the 710, so I'm not sure I'm the selfish one here. But I also know that I think it is wrong to destroy family friendly neighborhoods for the sake of an outdated plan that will be functionally obsolete upon completion.

I think it's time for you to realize that you might be the luddite here. Everyone wants to go beyond the false dream of the mid-50's Disneyland Autopia model into something a little more modern that would provide real solution to regional trucking and commuting, and not do so at the expense of a community that is indicative of the goals of new urbanist, but you want a "freeway", and you are willing to lie about it's purpose to get it.

So, again, WHAT DO YOU SPECIFICALLY EXPECT TO GAIN FROM THE COMPLETION OF THE 710 EXTENSION?

“Fly low and avoid the penguins”

Since: Dec 09

Pasadena

#40 Nov 15, 2010
Just in case any of you missed it:

http://www.scag.ca.gov/rtp2008/pdfs/finalrtp/...

And do note that this is a SCAG document. Southern California Association of Governments, which is a regional planning body that covers the Ventura, L.A, Orange, Imperial, San Bernardino, and Riverside counties and cities within.
WOW is a TOOL

Los Angeles, CA

#41 Nov 15, 2010
He has no argument WP; he just wants to be contrary. If he had a valid argument, he'd have stated it already. He obviously does not live in the area, is scornful of anyone of means, and has limited education in the way of infrastructure, environmentalism, and preservation. It never pays to argue with an Airstream dweller.

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