Messianic Jews complain of hostility

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Jun 22, 2008
 
Nothing excuses violence, but these Jews for Jesus types really need to get a life and make a choice.

You cannot believe in Jesus as a deity and be Jewish. Period.
Makeshift Patriot

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Jun 22, 2008
 
I wonder who sent the bomb. I guess there is little freedom of religion in Israel, unless of course you practice Judaism. Upon closer inspection Israel doesn't look like the shining beacon of demacracy in the blooming desert. And if the Jews don't believe that Jesus was the messiah, then who do they think he was?
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Jun 22, 2008
 
Let me get this straight...proselytizing is discouraged in Israel and U.S. Citizens are OK with that. And yet when proselytizing is discouraged in Aarab countries there is always an indignent outcry from the religious right. What's wrong with this picture?

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Jun 22, 2008
 
Makeshift Patriot wrote:
I wonder who sent the bomb. I guess there is little freedom of religion in Israel, unless of course you practice Judaism. Upon closer inspection Israel doesn't look like the shining beacon of demacracy in the blooming desert. And if the Jews don't believe that Jesus was the messiah, then who do they think he was?
That is why Jews, Christians, Muslims, Druze and several other religions worship freely in Israel and have houses of worship.

Proselytizing in Saudi Arabia will earn you a death sentence.

Jews don't proselytize -- they don't ring people's doorbells and ask nosy questions about who they prey to or how they do it.

Jews consider pushing religion on someone to be rude and inappropriate. "Messianic" missionaries such as "Jews for Jesus" are well-funded by mainstream Christian churches (millions of dollars a year) expressly to attempt to convert Jews to Christianity.

If someone from the Christian Messianic community met with violence, that is illegal under Israeli law and they perpetrators will be prosecuted.
Makeshift Patriot

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Jun 22, 2008
 
Jews don't proselytize -- they don't ring people's doorbells and ask nosy questions about who they prey to or how they do it.

Jews don't proselytize because you have to be born into the religion. They only want pure blooded Jews in their faith.

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Jun 23, 2008
 

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Makeshift Patriot wrote:
Jews don't proselytize -- they don't ring people's doorbells and ask nosy questions about who they prey to or how they do it.
Jews don't proselytize because you have to be born into the religion. They only want pure blooded Jews in their faith.
Absolutely wrong. Judaism readily accepts converts to Judaism. Judaism has nothing to do with blood.

However, unlike some religions who will take anyone who can utter a few words or perform a simple ceremony, converts to Judaism must demostration their willingness to learn and adhere to Torah. It's a process that takes a lot of study.

Jews come in all races and nationalities, but Judaims is not for everyone.
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Jun 23, 2008
 
Rick Moss wrote:
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Absolutely wrong. Judaism readily accepts converts to Judaism. Judaism has nothing to do with blood.
However, unlike some religions who will take anyone who can utter a few words or perform a simple ceremony, converts to Judaism must demostration their willingness to learn and adhere to Torah. It's a process that takes a lot of study.
Jews come in all races and nationalities, but Judaims is not for everyone.
Is there a drivers Manuel to becoming a hybrid and are all the right extend if you pass the examination if you decided to live in israel as a jew.?
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Jun 23, 2008
 
Makeshift Patriot

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Jun 23, 2008
 
If converting has nothing to do with blood, why can't Palestinians who marry Israelis be denied entry and citizenship to Israel?
Makeshift Patriot

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Jun 23, 2008
 
How do those who practice Judaism view Jesus? As a prophet, heretic, ordinary man, what?

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Jun 23, 2008
 
Makeshift Patriot wrote:
How do those who practice Judaism view Jesus? As a prophet, heretic, ordinary man, what?
As relevant to Judaism as Santa Claus is to Buddhism.

Since he's never mentioned once in any Jewish sacred text.
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Jun 23, 2008
 
I think Christ is mentioned in some rabbinic commentary, so some holy men must have had an opinion of him?

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Jun 23, 2008
 
Makeshift Patriot wrote:
I think Christ is mentioned in some rabbinic commentary, so some holy men must have had an opinion of him?
Everyone has an opinion -- My opinion of the Pope has little or no relevance to the Catholic Church.
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Jun 23, 2008
 
Rick Moss wrote:
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Absolutely wrong. Judaism readily accepts converts to Judaism. Judaism has nothing to do with blood.
However, unlike some religions who will take anyone who can utter a few words or perform a simple ceremony, converts to Judaism must demostration their willingness to learn and adhere to Torah. It's a process that takes a lot of study.
Jews come in all races and nationalities, but Judaims is not for everyone.
Oh really? I have two cousins who married Jewish men and converted. They don't know anymore about the Torah then they do about the Koran or Book of Mormon and would be the first to tell you so.
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Jun 23, 2008
 
Rick Moss wrote:
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Everyone has an opinion -- My opinion of the Pope has little or no relevance to the Catholic Church.
Are you a rabbi? This does not answer my question.
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Jun 23, 2008
 
Fang Guy wrote:
Nothing excuses violence, but these Jews for Jesus types really need to get a life and make a choice.
You cannot believe in Jesus as a deity and be Jewish. Period.
Oh Fangless Guy what has happened to your liberal Live and Let Live mindset? Let me see, according to you : If a person is born to a Jewish Mother and for whatever reason decides he/she believes Christ to be the Messiah that means all of a sudden he/she is not a Jew? It seems to me that some of the most narrow minded, bigoted people are the ones who are first to call other people bigots and the first to cry about prejudice.

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Are you a rabbi? This does not answer my question.
You just might not understand the answer. Judaism has no official position on Jesus -- other than to say that no person can make a valid claim to be G-d or descended from G-d.

In Judaism, that would be blasphemy.

Judaism isn't a heirachical religion, in the way Christianity is. Rabbis don't have the same ecumenical influence of say the Pope or Jerry Falwell.

Rabbis interpret scripture and their interpretations are open for debate - in many cases, animated debate. Any rabbi can say whatever he wants on the subject of Jesus or Appolonius of Tyana or Reb Schneerson or anyone else who are potential Messiah applicants. That opinion has no ecumenical authority.

And no, I'm not a rabbi
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Jun 23, 2008
 
Rick Moss wrote:
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You just might not understand the answer. Judaism has no official position on Jesus -- other than to say that no person can make a valid claim to be G-d or descended from G-d.
In Judaism, that would be blasphemy.
Judaism isn't a heirachical religion, in the way Christianity is. Rabbis don't have the same ecumenical influence of say the Pope or Jerry Falwell.
Rabbis interpret scripture and their interpretations are open for debate - in many cases, animated debate. Any rabbi can say whatever he wants on the subject of Jesus or Appolonius of Tyana or Reb Schneerson or anyone else who are potential Messiah applicants. That opinion has no ecumenical authority.
And no, I'm not a rabbi
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Jun 23, 2008
 
I think that it is horrible we Messianics are being treated this way, all we want is for our people who love God with all their heart to embrace eternal life.

We are christians in a since of being "Messiah Like" and we believe that our Gentile bretheren who believe are going to heaven, but we cannot shake the dark fear that our closest brothers, other Jews, have not embraced the Messiah.

Still, with God anything is possible, and perhaps the attack will be used for his glory. Maybe he will reach one of his chosen people. This way turning an anti Messianic attack against those who saught to use it for evil.

Anyway, of all people, we Jews should understand it is not approptiate to kill someone who has never harmed them just because they wish to evangelize. Heck it happened to us for thousands of years.
Yisrael4ever

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Jun 23, 2008
 
Makeshift Patriot wrote:
Jews don't proselytize -- they don't ring people's doorbells and ask nosy questions about who they prey to or how they do it.
Jews don't proselytize because you have to be born into the religion. They only want pure blooded Jews in their faith.
That is incorrect, King Solomon's "main" wife was not jewish, neither was Moshe's wife. God isn't against people becoming Jews, why, it is the greatest blessing one can bestow.

The Messiah was Jewish, lets not forget that. And as far as attacks against people like us go, Roman Catholicism is about the only party of Chrisianity that has persecuted Jews, and they persecuted other Christians as well. There is a huge distinction there.

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