Silencing train horns is too costly

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Having lived on Madrid Avenue in Torrance for more than a decade, just a few feet from the railroad tracks slicing through the city, John Miller expects to hear the horns of freight trains. Full Story
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Livin on the train track

Torrance, CA

#23 Nov 21, 2010
We live about 5 feet from the track (literally) and don't mind the train sounds at all...Has never woken us or our baby up....The only thing I might want to see happen is there is maybe one or two conductors that do unnecessarily lay on that horn for a good long time, but that's not every day or anything....but other than those few, nothing else to complain about. If we could eliminate EXCESSIVE horn blowing, that would be perfect! Otherwise, I enjoy the train.
Ex Mervyns Shopper

Sherman Oaks, CA

#24 Nov 21, 2010
The noise is nothing compared to the aggravation of the trains running right during rush hour traffic.
Steve

Las Vegas, NV

#25 Nov 21, 2010
Ex Mervyns Shopper wrote:
The noise is nothing compared to the aggravation of the trains running right during rush hour traffic.
Then why don't you speak or complain to the railroad company about their scheduling, or change your time about dealing with rush hour?
Cruising Galaxie

Downey, CA

#26 Nov 21, 2010
Good luck on getting this noise to quiet down. I grew up in Torrance and had this very same track behind my back yard on Pine Drive (1964 till 1988). All I can say is it got worse (a lot worse) when the road grade separation on Crenshaw Boulevard was completed. My parents had to deal with (pay for) our collapsing fence as well as with the train operators having to gun the diesel engines to make the grade. Happy that I'm no longer there. It was awful.
torrance resident

El Monte, CA

#27 Nov 21, 2010
If they were just passing through, it would be one thing. But at Western/Sepulveda they will often spend 20+ minutes re-arranging empties on the multiple tracks there AFTER 1:00 AM!! Why? They set off the barriers, blow the horns and wake up hundreds of people.

RR is a terrible neighbor in Torrance and the council has ignored numerous cheaper options in the decades I've lived here. Scotto and the council need to flex some muscle on this issue.
Jim

Los Angeles, CA

#28 Nov 21, 2010
I don't believe they just blow the horn for the hell of it, there are laws and rules the engineers have to follow.

You knew about this when you bought the house.
Never Give Up

La Crescenta, CA

#29 Nov 21, 2010
westside steve wrote:
There is another option I beleive. I often had to go to our processing facility outside of Chicago located adjacent RR tracks. The horns would shake the building they were so loud, which was fine in an indutrial park, but houses lined the main road with the crossing.
Last trip I could barely hear the horns in the building which puzzled me, a local told me they installed focused sound "speakers" that broadcast a loud blast to the cars in the road, but was much lower in noise as you stepped away from the crossing. The trains triggered the "horns" at the crossings.
Can this be implemented in Torrance?
With all the train employees writing in on this blog, you'd think the only option would be to let things stay the way they are. At the very least, it shouldn't be necessary to use train horns after 10pm. That would help until a real solution can be found.
SquareHead

Pasadena, CA

#30 Nov 21, 2010
Maybe we can take a tip from some of the old movies, some old westerns. Ever see when one group was tracking or was set up to attack another group, what did they often do ? Send a scout or two out ahead of the main party for "intelligence gathering". Why not do the same things with trains : always have someone a mile or two or more ahead in radio contact to warn of any danger or possible danger on the track ?
Honk if you hate this

Newhall, CA

#31 Nov 22, 2010
So they have to hold the horn down until they clear the crossing huh. I timed it last week after midnight and he held that horn down for over 35 seconds. How s l o w was he going that it took that long to go across the rail crossing? That was one of many blasts that we had to hear that night. It seems like it's only one certain guy who blows the horn like this, we don't always hear these 30 second blasts every night.
Honk if you hate this

Newhall, CA

#32 Nov 22, 2010
Jim wrote:
I don't believe they just blow the horn for the hell of it, there are laws and rules the engineers have to follow.
You knew about this when you bought the house.
We didn't have these horns blowing back in 1975. Maybe because they hadn't hired that crazy horn blower yet.
Jerrys kid

El Segundo, CA

#33 Nov 22, 2010
SquareHead wrote:
Maybe we can take a tip from some of the old movies, some old westerns. Ever see when one group was tracking or was set up to attack another group, what did they often do ? Send a scout or two out ahead of the main party for "intelligence gathering". Why not do the same things with trains : always have someone a mile or two or more ahead in radio contact to warn of any danger or possible danger on the track ?
And the scout would constantly warn him to blow his horn at the next 11 crossings because there are cars driving on the streets between the scout and the train. And I dont even work for a railroad company. Check thesr things out before you buy or rent a residence. When you buy this stuff is always on the disclosure statement. If it isn't, sue your realtor....then move.
Honk if you hate this

Newhall, CA

#34 Nov 22, 2010
Everyone seems to be "side tracked" with this. It's the one guy who blows the horn waaaay too long that is the problem, not the rest of the conductors who can roll through the neighborhood without knocking plaster off our walls.
Sleeping on the job

Torrance, CA

#35 Nov 22, 2010
I wonder if there is anything in their rules that allows them to stop the train and go into Carl's JR to get food? If they are breaking this rule, why can't they break the others?
Ex-neighbor

Eastland, TX

#36 Nov 22, 2010
INGLEWOOD UP TO NO GOOD wrote:
Them trains remind of living in Texas they Ok.
And in Ranger, TX, the train runs right through the middle of town. With three grade crossings. Ya know what? Ya get used to it. Secondly, every time I hear that train, I realize we still have some kind of economy in this country.

Maybe the citizens of Torrance should consider getting rid of ALL the businesses in their city. No stores, no refineries, no car corporations nothing. Be nice and quiet then.
livin on the train track

Santa Monica, CA

#37 Nov 22, 2010
Ex-neighbor wrote:
<quoted text>
And in Ranger, TX, the train runs right through the middle of town. With three grade crossings. Ya know what? Ya get used to it. Secondly, every time I hear that train, I realize we still have some kind of economy in this country.
Maybe the citizens of Torrance should consider getting rid of ALL the businesses in their city. No stores, no refineries, no car corporations nothing. Be nice and quiet then.
It's not about getting rid of the train or the horn blowing....It IS ONE conductor that lays on that horn!! It's just one!! I see NO REASON for a 30-45 second horn blow when others barely tap the horn and it gets the same job done without the nuisance...If I didn't live 5 feet from the track, I could still hear the horn from miles away!! Other than when this guy is on duty, it's perfectly fine!!
To Ex-Neighbor

Los Angeles, CA

#38 Nov 22, 2010
And with all that money saved,
we could offer our leaders a substantial raise.

And how peaceful it would be in town.
Especially if Scotty would trade-in his Diesels.
Ex-neighbor wrote:
<quoted text>
And in Ranger, TX, the train runs right through the middle of town. With three grade crossings. Ya know what? Ya get used to it. Secondly, every time I hear that train, I realize we still have some kind of economy in this country.
Maybe the citizens of Torrance should consider getting rid of ALL the businesses in their city. No stores, no refineries, no car corporations nothing. Be nice and quiet then.

Since: Sep 10

Studio City, CA

#39 Nov 22, 2010
Legal Beagle wrote:
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Please re-read the article (and posts) regarding the laws requiring enginneers to sound the train horn.
I guess that I didn't go far enough to explain what it was that I was trying to say. Two things come to mind on this issue of sound pollution.

1. When I said the "train operators", I was referring to the owners of the train companies.

2. Even though the Federal Law requires the train engineers to blow their horns, and as stated in recent complaints, the law does not require the engineer to blow his horn for an extended period of time such as 30-40 seconds at a time. This is arrogance and there should be a defined period of time that the horn is allowed to sound. If that period of time is violated, then the engineer should face a fine.

Obviously this Federal Law needs to be fine-tuned and then vigorously enforced.
Ex Mervyns Shopper

Sherman Oaks, CA

#40 Nov 22, 2010
It does not bother me at all but I see a lot of people stuck in traffic that it does bother.
Steve wrote:
<quoted text>
Then why don't you speak or complain to the railroad company about their scheduling, or change your time about dealing with rush hour?

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