Why all the fuss about O'Gara? Get th...

Why all the fuss about O'Gara? Get the facts

There are 41 comments on the www.fredericksburg.com story from Jun 18, 2009, titled Why all the fuss about O'Gara? Get the facts. In it, www.fredericksburg.com reports that:


Facts over fuss - commentary on the O'Gara Group,

by Beth Yeatman Spindler

Beth Yeatman Spindler is a former editor of the Westmoreland News.

Date published: 6/18/2009

MONTROSS, VA

A recent trip to the O'Gara Group Training Facility located in Halifax County, near South Boston and Danville, proved informative and cleared up a lot of speculation and misinformation--at least for me--that seems to have spread like wildfire around Westmoreland County.Having studied the information provided by O'Gara as to what their proposed operation in the county would entail and having spent many hours researching and verifying information from both O'Gara and many of its clients, as well as the county office, I was fairly certain about what to expect when I got there.

At the security gate, a guard welcomed me, and after I obtained clearance, I was directed to the main office of the O'Gara facility. I parked my car in a space in front of a green metal building with the O'Gara logo on it and went inside.

With only 30 minutes' notice that I was on my way, Scott LittleJohn, director of training, met me in the foyer and asked if I wanted a tour of the facility. For the next four hours, I was shown firing ranges, the racetrack, the classroom building, the urban-scenario building, the shoot-out house, and even rode with my heart in my throat as we climbed a set of steps in an SUV as we journeyed the obstacle course.

Locked gates greeted us at every firing range. I tried my best to hear gunfire and smell firing residue, but I didn't. I asked LittleJohn if there were students on the property, and he said, yes, a group from DynaCorp was there for a two-week training session. Several of the students had just returned from Iraq. Because of DynaCorp's contract with the State Department, I was unable photograph them or talk to any of them for any length, but the students--the men and women who could be your brother, sister, uncle, aunt, or cousin were courteous and polite. Most said "hi," mentioned the warm weather, and went on their way to their next class.

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Walt

Brandon, Canada

#21 Feb 28, 2010
If that is the type of explanation the locals were given I am starting to understand why some of them have pretty mixed reactions.

I am sure that you have been involved with the military for a long time. People who haven't are not going to jump on board after that type of party line.

Westmoreland Native was doing a good job and I just felt that leaving out the 9/11 comments would have improved his post. Best to leave it up to him if support is what is needed.

“The way I am”

Since: Dec 09

Colonial Beach and Wash DC

#22 Feb 28, 2010
Walt wrote:
If that is the type of explanation the locals were given I am starting to understand why some of them have pretty mixed reactions.
I am sure that you have been involved with the military for a long time. People who haven't are not going to jump on board after that type of party line.
That was not an explanation or a party line it was to make sure no one thought that Iraq was a response to 9/11. Everyone knows we were there for the oil :)
Walt

Winnipeg, Canada

#23 Feb 28, 2010
WTCSRET wrote:
<quoted text>
That was not an explanation or a party line it was to make sure no one thought that Iraq was a response to 9/11. Everyone knows we were there for the oil :)
Ain't that the truth.
RJohnson

United States

#24 Apr 9, 2010
Does anyone know the status of this facility? It hasn't been in the news lately and was wondering if the facility is coming to Westmoreland.
Darwin

Chase City, VA

#25 Apr 9, 2010
It is in the process of being built. However, there are various lawsuits in progress by the NIMBY's.
llw

Myerstown, PA

#26 May 13, 2011
Shooting range has been built in Montross and now in operation. I'm 1.25 miles from the range and the automatic gunfire continued until at least 9PM last night and was loud with all the tree cover between us... when setting on my pier and deck we can't even enjoy the outside anymore in the evening when they start firing on that range. I feel for those poor residences that live right behind it they probably hear it inside their house. County needs to shut this group down at 5P M-F and no firing on the weekend so we can enjoy our properties. It is totally unacceptable and the county and state politicans who allowed this training facility should be sorry for what they have done. I know I will be voting against the incumbents responsible regardless of what temporary jobs it provided or the little bit of taxes Ogara will pay.

“The way I am”

Since: Dec 09

Colonial Beach and Wash DC

#27 May 14, 2011
llw wrote:
Shooting range has been built in Montross and now in operation. I'm 1.25 miles from the range and the automatic gunfire continued until at least 9PM last night and was loud with all the tree cover between us... when setting on my pier and deck we can't even enjoy the outside anymore in the evening when they start firing on that range. I feel for those poor residences that live right behind it they probably hear it inside their house. County needs to shut this group down at 5P M-F and no firing on the weekend so we can enjoy our properties. It is totally unacceptable and the county and state politicans who allowed this training facility should be sorry for what they have done. I know I will be voting against the incumbents responsible regardless of what temporary jobs it provided or the little bit of taxes Ogara will pay.
How about some measurements from that distance and weather conditions?
Darwin

Washington, DC

#28 May 15, 2011
Sorry you are being disturbed. You should call the training facility directly and let your feelings be known. Right now the "temporary jobs" they are providing are 26 full time employees and 40 part time employees. They are spending $800,000 per year at local hotels to lodge students and hiring local restaurants to cater meals as well hire contractors to rehab the manufacturing building as well as purchasing supplies at local hardware stores, auto shops, etc.
llw wrote:
Shooting range has been built in Montross and now in operation. I'm 1.25 miles from the range and the automatic gunfire continued until at least 9PM last night and was loud with all the tree cover between us... when setting on my pier and deck we can't even enjoy the outside anymore in the evening when they start firing on that range. I feel for those poor residences that live right behind it they probably hear it inside their house. County needs to shut this group down at 5P M-F and no firing on the weekend so we can enjoy our properties. It is totally unacceptable and the county and state politicans who allowed this training facility should be sorry for what they have done. I know I will be voting against the incumbents responsible regardless of what temporary jobs it provided or the little bit of taxes Ogara will pay.
Z_Rex

Chesapeake, VA

#29 Jul 3, 2012
The Northern Neck is nothing but a disgusting backwater toilet and I'm frankly surprised that any business would have considered coming here. I can't wait until I get the heck out of this rural hellhole!
Business

Tappahannock, VA

#30 Jul 4, 2012
Z_Rex wrote:
The Northern Neck is nothing but a disgusting backwater toilet and I'm frankly surprised that any business would have considered coming here. I can't wait until I get the heck out of this rural hellhole!
You need a ride? Ill pay your cab fare right now, as long as you promise to never return!
HB Rules

United States

#31 Jul 5, 2012
Z_Rex wrote:
The Northern Neck is nothing but a disgusting backwater toilet and I'm frankly surprised that any business would have considered coming here. I can't wait until I get the heck out of this rural hellhole!
I am sure all that know you cant wait for you to leave also. so here is your hat, dont let the door hit you in the rear on the way out.
Jill

King George, VA

#32 Feb 18, 2016
HB Rules wrote:
to the posters above - be careful who you align yourself with and the statements you make, they may come back to haunt you in a court of law. you have moved into this community and brought your rude, pushy, in your face combative politics that will be your own undoing.
those of us born and raised here in Westmoreland county dont take kind to come here's lowering the class of disagreement. for hundreds and hundreds of years our families have poured blood, sweet, and tears in making the Northern Neck what it is. we also realize there comes a time for managed growth and oportunities that allow us to remain full time residents of the county and not have to move away.
for those interested in making informed decisions information about this company can be found at www.ogaragroup.com
The O'Gara Group is a leading provider of advanced security products and training solutions that aid in the global war on terrorism and enhance customer security. Founded in 2003, the company's current customers include: the United States Special Operations Command (USSOCOM); the United States Marine Corps (USMC); the United States Departments of State; Homeland Security; as well as foreign customers including the Canada Ministry of Defense; the Italian Ministry of Defense; the Taiwan Ministry of Defense; the U.K. Ministry of Defense; as well as law enforcement agencies, private corporations and individuals.
Are you sure you want to say this now?!?! Did they really bring the jobs they promised?!?! They lied!!! I've been in this county most of my life and totally DISAGREE with what you say!!!
Jill

King George, VA

#33 Feb 18, 2016
Darwin wrote:
Sorry you are being disturbed. You should call the training facility directly and let your feelings be known. Right now the "temporary jobs" they are providing are 26 full time employees and 40 part time employees. They are spending $800,000 per year at local hotels to lodge students and hiring local restaurants to cater meals as well hire contractors to rehab the manufacturing building as well as purchasing supplies at local hardware stores, auto shops, etc.
<quoted text>
By "local", you should be honest and say Essex county. lol I've seen OGara buses in Essex more than any other place, and Essex county had enough sense to turn them away and not let OGara into their county.
Jill

King George, VA

#34 Feb 18, 2016
llw wrote:
Shooting range has been built in Montross and now in operation. I'm 1.25 miles from the range and the automatic gunfire continued until at least 9PM last night and was loud with all the tree cover between us... when setting on my pier and deck we can't even enjoy the outside anymore in the evening when they start firing on that range. I feel for those poor residences that live right behind it they probably hear it inside their house. County needs to shut this group down at 5P M-F and no firing on the weekend so we can enjoy our properties. It is totally unacceptable and the county and state politicans who allowed this training facility should be sorry for what they have done. I know I will be voting against the incumbents responsible regardless of what temporary jobs it provided or the little bit of taxes Ogara will pay.
I'm right in OGara's backdoor; it is just like you say. You can hear the noise in the house and sometimes the windows vibrate as if you were in the middle of a war zone.
Jill

King George, VA

#35 Feb 18, 2016
Z_Rex wrote:
The Northern Neck is nothing but a disgusting backwater toilet and I'm frankly surprised that any business would have considered coming here. I can't wait until I get the heck out of this rural hellhole!
LOL, I've been here most of my life. Most of the people I went to school with left the area.
Jill

King George, VA

#36 Feb 18, 2016
Westmoreland Native wrote:
JS Lucas steroid abusing killers? After 9/11 everyone wanted to prevent terrorism. Here years later people like you hate the idea of a place protecting your country. And what makes you say these guy use steroids? I am a 20 year old from Westmoreland. I work at the new O'Gara in Montross as a maintenance man. some people say O'Gara doesn't hire locals. Well news for you all our maintenace employees are from Montross. And in all honesty I have never had a better job. These men are the best group of guys I know. They give local building supplies buisness along with a deal with Angelo's (local restraunt run by westmoreland native Brian Oliff)where Angelo's supplies classes with food. These men are doing no wrong and like the community. The community is not willing to accept change. The county makes a mistake in building the shell building then O'Gara does the county a favor and offers to buy it and still the county can't sell it due to arrogant people in the community. Many people say the guns will be a nuisance. First of all we live near Dahlgren and we hear loud noises frequently. Secondly if you are from Westmoreland you will see hunters from november to january all through the town of montross. So your saying as a community you can deal with us hunters running dogs and shooting deer all the time but you can't support a group trainig people to fight terrorism? People please think about it maybe you need to swallow your pride and realize this O'Gara Group is a good thing for our area. I don't understand why everyone has a problem with O'gara coming to Montross yet Carry On Trailer Inc. hires tons of illegal immigrants year round but the comminity is fine with these people taking American jobs.In the end we all will realize O'Gara will help the community.
You posted this as 20 years old and still learning life. I can't stand the hunters either; they trespass and in my eyes are just as bad as OGara. There are few hunters who I see as honest people. Hunting, though, is only during a very short time season; it isn't all year long. You say they provided jobs -- but not like they promised before they came here. They made it seem as a ton of jobs would be brought into the community. And, honestly comparing OGara with Carry On Trailers is weak. The issue is everything in regards to OGara -- the lies, everything... I know people in this community don't like change, but this kind of change shouldn't be forced down people's throat. There have been news reports out of Florida that show a lack of security at OGara. Are you sure you say this same thing now?!?!

http://www.local10.com/news/local-10-investig...
HB Rules

Lexington Park, MD

#37 Feb 22, 2016
Jill wrote:
<quoted text>
Are you sure you want to say this now?!?! Did they really bring the jobs they promised?!?! They lied!!! I've been in this county most of my life and totally DISAGREE with what you say!!!
The pizza man aint doing to bad. Ogara helped his bottom line. The people they train go back to their home country to protect life.....so its a good thing. So yes I stand by what I said.
HB Rules

Lexington Park, MD

#38 Feb 22, 2016
Jill wrote:
<quoted text>
By "local", you should be honest and say Essex county. lol I've seen OGara buses in Essex more than any other place, and Essex county had enough sense to turn them away and not let OGara into their county.
All of us who live here, know well as anybody that supplies for living and business have to come across an assortment of counties in the Northern Neck. To claim otherwise makes you a liar.
HB Rules

Lexington Park, MD

#39 Feb 22, 2016
Jill wrote:
<quoted text>
LOL, I've been here most of my life. Most of the people I went to school with left the area.
Like most of your friends Jill, I think you will find us life long from here's will not miss you either. Just go.
Aaaaaa

Providence, UT

#40 Feb 24, 2016
HB Rules wrote:
<quoted text>
Like most of your friends Jill, I think you will find us life long from here's will not miss you either. Just go.
You're such a sorry ass person. All you do is bitch and complain, and tell people to leave.

God damn, you're pathetic.

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