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There are 33 comments on the SouthFlorida.com story from Jul 20, 2007, titled Medicare health insurance plans run by America's Health Choice .... In it, SouthFlorida.com reports that:

Federal officials Friday said they terminated Medicare health insurance plans run by America's Health Choice in Florida because of delays and denials of medical care and other issues, the first termination ever ...

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Space Avenger

Hobe Sound, FL

#21 Jul 26, 2007
what_the_f wrote:
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I don't know where you get your information from, yes costs go up, but something like 5% instead of 15% like here. They negotiate prices on drugs and supplies, which keeps costs down. Here the drug companies set their own prices!
In reading the Toronto newspaper last time I was there, I was amazed by a couple of stories: "shop keeper loses eyesight because he cannot afford medical care" (possibly he was a resident and not a citizen of Canada), and "Canadian flies to India for heart surgery" (the waiting list for his surgery was over one year in Canada, he got it done within hours of flying to India, and cheap too).

The only thing worse than the kind of big-pharma/insurance company dictated health care we have in the US is a socialized, rationed version of the same "care", such as in Canada. In England, the socialized treatment for chest pains/mild heart attack is sometimes aspirin. No thank you!

Studies continue to show that those without access to this kind of "care" actually live longer.
what_the_f

Cape Coral, FL

#22 Jul 26, 2007
Space Avenger wrote:
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In reading the Toronto newspaper last time I was there, I was amazed by a couple of stories: "shop keeper loses eyesight because he cannot afford medical care" (possibly he was a resident and not a citizen of Canada), and "Canadian flies to India for heart surgery" (the waiting list for his surgery was over one year in Canada, he got it done within hours of flying to India, and cheap too).
The only thing worse than the kind of big-pharma/insurance company dictated health care we have in the US is a socialized, rationed version of the same "care", such as in Canada. In England, the socialized treatment for chest pains/mild heart attack is sometimes aspirin. No thank you!
Studies continue to show that those without access to this kind of "care" actually live longer.
Well not according to the World Health Organization. Click on the link and read the table. The statistics compare us to several different countries with Unive. Healthcare. Our outcomes are worse on almost everything. I quote form the article: "Those who are proponents of implementing a universal healthcare system in the United States point out the fact that there are many flaws in the reasoning used against having such a system. Among these flaws, the one that stands out is the fact that the USA has a lower life expectancy than virtually all other countries in a similar economic class, including those with national healthcare systems, such as Australia, the United Kingdom, Canada, and Sweden. Also, infant mortality rates remain higher in the United States as well, despite declines in recent decades, and are in fact higher than the average of the European Union; however, this fails to take into effect that premature births are not counted as live births in most EU nations, potentially resulting in this disparity."
Current estimates put US healthcare spending at approximately 15% of GDP, which is the highest in the world. Despite this, only an estimated 84.3% of citizens have some form of health insurance coverage, either through their employer or purchased individually. Employers that do provide insurance, on average, spend between 4.6 and 8.7% of their payroll in health insurance premiums.
Here is the link. They also cover the debate talking points univ. healthcare vs. medicine-for-profit.
I don't say their system is perfect, no system is (after all, every system is run by humans and we make mistakes.) but at least they attempt tpo do the right thing, and by removing th eprofit motive they default to puttin gpatient care first.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health...
what_the_f

Cape Coral, FL

#23 Jul 26, 2007
Oh and I know three diofferent people here who were prescribed aspirin after heart incidents, 1 Medicare patient and 2 HMO's.
what_the_f

Cape Coral, FL

#24 Jul 26, 2007
National Health in England gave my father-in-law an twice-weekly visits by the district nurse, doctor appointments whenever he needed them, they tried to give him a new hip but he was scared of the surgery and wouldn't do it. So he gradually lost the ability to walk, they gave him a walker, a wheelchair , then a motorized scooter so he could still go to the village shops and senior center. Plus the pain medication he needed to function. All at no charge.
He died a peaceful death with hospice care in the hospital. Again no bill to worry the survivors.
what_the_f

Cape Coral, FL

#25 Jul 26, 2007
MAybe our experience wasn't usual, and I can't speak to Canada, I have only visited there and don't have any relatives or friends resident there. I do know the vast majority of patients would not go back to our way of doing things.
My last doctor visit was scheduled for 11 am. They finally brought me in for my B.P. check and weight at 11:45! Then the visit proceded and I finally got to leave at 12:30. I just got the bill and after Blue Corss for 2 visits and blood tests I owe $204. This is after BC/BS premiums of $65/week.
Joe D

AOL

#26 Jul 27, 2007
I am so glad these crooks were shut down. I took long enough.
Space Avenger

Hobe Sound, FL

#27 Jul 27, 2007
what_the_f wrote:
MAybe our experience wasn't usual, and I can't speak to Canada, I have only visited there and don't have any relatives or friends resident there. I do know the vast majority of patients would not go back to our way of doing things.
My last doctor visit was scheduled for 11 am. They finally brought me in for my B.P. check and weight at 11:45! Then the visit proceded and I finally got to leave at 12:30. I just got the bill and after Blue Corss for 2 visits and blood tests I owe $204. This is after BC/BS premiums of $65/week.
The objective is for you or your loved ones to continue to live in a healthy state, not how little you pay for some so-called care! Argue with me all you like, the others who have are six feet under, yet tonight I was "carded" for beer at age 50! Enjoy your free "medical care".
Miffed

Hollywood, FL

#28 Jul 28, 2007
what_the_f wrote:
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No, they do NOT make a profit. The whole system is designed to treat patients, not profit-oriented. There are still some private health insurance companies, THEY make a profit, I was talking about nationalized health universal health care. How many European countries have YOU received care in, that you can state they don't work very well? Universal health care/socialized healthcare/single payer health care are all very similar, they are designed to treat Everyone.
And what is Medicare if not socialized health care? Call it what you want, it works. The U.S> is rankede 37th in the world for patient outcomes and #1 in highest cost. Ask the English, Canadians, French, etc, if they would switch to the profit-based system we have, and the vast majority would say no. Their systems aren't perfect but they are better than here where you can lose everyhting you own to pay medical bills, and they will still let you die in the street. It's a shame, we shouldn't be a 3rd world country.
what makes you thing they don't make a profit. The Doctors get paid, as do the nurses and other healthcare professionals. If they don't get paid enough they move to where they do or find employment in a different field. the pharmaceutical companies control their prices as well. When the medical costs for a procedure are too high they don't offer it. The government then sets what care is available and who gets it. Yes medicare is socialized medicine but it does not work very well. It drives up the cost of medical care for everybody.
Miffed

Hollywood, FL

#29 Jul 28, 2007
what_the_f wrote:
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I don't know where you get your information from, yes costs go up, but something like 5% instead of 15% like here. They negotiate prices on drugs and supplies, which keeps costs down. Here the drug companies set their own prices!
Their increases are far greater than 5% the increase may be hidden in service cutbacks and denial of service etc. Drug companies set their own prices. They Also control what drugs they sell. Individual countries cannot dictate to these large companies as they are based outside all those countries.
Miffed

Hollywood, FL

#30 Jul 28, 2007
Space Avenger wrote:
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In reading the Toronto newspaper last time I was there, I was amazed by a couple of stories: "shop keeper loses eyesight because he cannot afford medical care" (possibly he was a resident and not a citizen of Canada), and "Canadian flies to India for heart surgery" (the waiting list for his surgery was over one year in Canada, he got it done within hours of flying to India, and cheap too).
The only thing worse than the kind of big-pharma/insurance company dictated health care we have in the US is a socialized, rationed version of the same "care", such as in Canada. In England, the socialized treatment for chest pains/mild heart attack is sometimes aspirin. No thank you!
Studies continue to show that those without access to this kind of "care" actually live longer.
If the Canadian system is so great why are the US hospitals near the border filled with Canadians paying for their own care when it would be free if they can get it in Canada?

People living in countries with socialized medicine may live longer than here but they do so in spite of their medical system not because of it. Their lifestyles are radically different than here. They are not as obese, eat less red meats and depend far less on fast foods and junk foods.
Miffed

Hollywood, FL

#31 Jul 28, 2007
What do you expect?
The WHO is a socialist agency of a socialist organization that puts down the US at every opportunity. Nothing out of the UN ever favors anything in the US. They do rely on the US as their major source of funding.
what_the_f wrote:
<quoted text>
Well not according to the World Health Organization. Click on the link and read the table. The statistics compare us to several different countries with Unive. Healthcare. Our outcomes are worse on almost everything. I quote form the article: "Those who are proponents of implementing a universal healthcare system in the United States point out the fact that there are many flaws in the reasoning used against having such a system. Among these flaws, the one that stands out is the fact that the USA has a lower life expectancy than virtually all other countries in a similar economic class, including those with national healthcare systems, such as Australia, the United Kingdom, Canada, and Sweden. Also, infant mortality rates remain higher in the United States as well, despite declines in recent decades, and are in fact higher than the average of the European Union; however, this fails to take into effect that premature births are not counted as live births in most EU nations, potentially resulting in this disparity."
Current estimates put US healthcare spending at approximately 15% of GDP, which is the highest in the world. Despite this, only an estimated 84.3% of citizens have some form of health insurance coverage, either through their employer or purchased individually. Employers that do provide insurance, on average, spend between 4.6 and 8.7% of their payroll in health insurance premiums.
Here is the link. They also cover the debate talking points univ. healthcare vs. medicine-for-profit.
I don't say their system is perfect, no system is (after all, every system is run by humans and we make mistakes.) but at least they attempt tpo do the right thing, and by removing th eprofit motive they default to puttin gpatient care first.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Universal_health...
Jo Anne K

Moss Point, MS

#32 Jun 6, 2008
I had Medicare D with AHC and had no problems for almost 2 years. In mid-August I received a letter from AHC stating that they would no longer cover me on Medicare D and that effective September 1, 2007, my coverage would be thru AARP (United Health Care.....nothing but headaches since. I was never re-imbursed on any presciption medication. They (AARP) insists that I have not met my deductible. I met my deductible in early 2007 and was assured that there would not be another deductible for '07. I tried disenrolling because of dissatisfaction but they would not allow it so I am hooked for 2008 and as recent as today, June 6, 2008, I am still seeking reimbursement for out-of-pocket prescription expenses for the last 4 months of '07.
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Floodwood, MN

#33 Jan 30, 2013
ACHG is nothing more than a SCAM insurance company!!! And if you think they are so great then why are you paying so much for secondary insurance? DO NOT BELIEVE ANYTHING FROM THESE PEOPLE!!! They will rip you off. Check Daniel Gootner out on a few other websites, cause good things are not said about this con artist. He tried to get my husband and I to sign up. I am so glad I checked that company out first. Cause we have already been burned by a similar company like this one. They are a discount insurance nothing more. The BBB only reports bad stuff that has to do with the government, not if he has other complaints on him, this is why they don't have a bad rating with the BBB yet! So please for your wallets benefit please check more into America's Choice Health Group because they aren't as good as they seem, even though they are taking advantage of people!!!!!!! DON'T BE PLAYED BE THEIR SCAM!!!!

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