Saucon Valley teachers may go on strike

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Saucon Valley School District teachers could go on strike because of stalled contract talks, the teachers union president and the district's superintendent said Friday.
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#206
Apr 30, 2009
 
yeah, what boogie said
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#207
Apr 30, 2009
 
Bethlehem Resident wrote:
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What does that stupid comment mean?
I am torn on this. It really doesn't go into specifics as to why the teachers are thinking of striking. It just gives the basic issues of healthcare, 5 yr contract, etc. They may be asking for basics - maybe asking for something rediculous. Makes it tough to agree or disagree.
I'm not pro-union, but I see their benefits in society.
It means Storm is trying to impress everyone with its vast knowledge of everything. Regardless of whether or not it knows anything at all. From reading the many postings by Storm on many subjects, I think it knows little to nothing at all
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#208
Apr 30, 2009
 
Nana of five wrote:
[...]In 11th grade they put her in College Prep English class after failing two years. I was irrate. If she can't do standard English how would they expect her to do College Prep. The superintendent told me that was the only place the computer had room for her. So what does that tell you about Saucon Valley. Computers run the school. I hate to see what happens with the other 4 grandchildren when they get to high school. There are too many children in the classroom to teach them on a more consistant level.
Teachers would cut there toe nails in class and eat snacks in front of the children. Those teachers don't deserve to get what a teacher gets who take the time to teach them like Mr. A did. He was a great teacher and took time with the kids and taught them well. All you have to do is find out what teachers the kids like and you have your teachers who deserve the high wages.
What that tells me about Saucon Valley is that they are overcrowded, and need more teachers, more class space, or both.

As for your "all you have to do is find out what teachers the kids like" thing, how does that work for diet, driving behavior, drugs/alcohol, and other areas of kids lives? How does that affect your parenting - do you do what your kids like when they tell you they'd like to roam the streets rather than do homework?

And, one other thing - how do you see the qualities of Mr. A being assured by giving teachers more subject testing?
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Apr 30, 2009
 
Boogie Flicker wrote:
<quoted text>your all over the boards, i think someone needs a job real bad. Although, I am guessing your a teacher, which would mean you get every little holiday/summer, off. Stop acting like teaching is such a hard job. It's an easy college degree. Can't make it in the education field, then you can always flip burgers

Wow, are you SO out of touch.

In my position in software creation I hired teachers to fill a number of positions ranging from user education (where they owned every word seen by a customer in manuals or software), marketing, product design, testing and management of creation - something we call program management.

Teachers are easy pickings, because they are paid so poorly. Sure, they have time off in the summer, but not very many Americans will choose vacation time over the potential for success in the workplace. I used their vacation time as a selling point for them coming to work for ME, where I offered them short vacations, long hours, and no paid overtime - something they understand very well. Of course, they got paid more, had stock in the company, and they have serious decision making responsibility with a reward structure.

Teacher retention is a problem in the US. As we say "no" to strikes, the smart young teachers with lots of good options leave. The even smarter ones decide that while they might love to teach, they simply can't afford to.

And, you can give the rest all the subject tests you want - it won't make any difference if you can't attract the smart minds and retain the ones you do get.
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May 1, 2009
 
NWGuy wrote:
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Wow, are you SO out of touch.
In my position in software creation I hired teachers to fill a number of positions ranging from user education (where they owned every word seen by a customer in manuals or software), marketing, product design, testing and management of creation - something we call program management.
Teachers are easy pickings, because they are paid so poorly. Sure, they have time off in the summer, but not very many Americans will choose vacation time over the potential for success in the workplace. I used their vacation time as a selling point for them coming to work for ME, where I offered them short vacations, long hours, and no paid overtime - something they understand very well. Of course, they got paid more, had stock in the company, and they have serious decision making responsibility with a reward structure.
Teacher retention is a problem in the US. As we say "no" to strikes, the smart young teachers with lots of good options leave. The even smarter ones decide that while they might love to teach, they simply can't afford to.
And, you can give the rest all the subject tests you want - it won't make any difference if you can't attract the smart minds and retain the ones you do get.
There are plenty to take their place. Your only "attracting" the ones that for one reason or another aren't capable of teaching. It's an easy college education.
"WoW, your so out of touch", Good one, and why haven't you spread your little wings and gone into teaching? Fire and replace, is my idea of fixing the problem.
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#212
Aug 29, 2009
 
Check out today's morning call site on the average teacher's salaries for 2006/7 school year under sauconvalley.topix and check out Datacenter:average teacher's salaries. It's more than what many make working the whole year. I know there are some who make more than teachers do, but work all year round, and some who make alot less and work all year round also. Many are still losing their jobs and not going back, and have worked over 30 years, and under 60 years of age, and cannot receive their SS benefits. Now what?
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#213
Aug 31, 2009
 
Current Teacher wrote:
"TEACHERS GET OFF YOUR LAZY GREEDY AZZZES AND DO YOUR JOB. IF YOU WANT SO MUCH POWER AND HAVE SO MUCH GREEED GET A JOB IN WASHINGTON, AND GET OUT OF THE TEACHING PROFESSION. WE NEED TEACHERS THAT CARE MORE ABOUT EDUCATING OUR CHILDREN AND LESS ABOUT SCREWING THE TAX PAYERS WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF AN ORGASIM. DIRTY ROTTEN SCOUNDRELS."
If teaching is such a great profession, why didn't some of you whiners go to school and get a teaching degree? Why isn't there an abundance of qualified unemployed teachers? I'm a teacher, and most of the people who I went to college with make MUCH MORE money than me. Most teachers have to work in the summer to make ends meet. You can't compare our salary to people who can't spell and don't have a college degree, you have to compare apples to apples and most people with our qualifications make MUCH MUCH MORE...
The reason people are upset is not becasue they are jealous of your profession. You are right, if they want the perks bad enough, they too could have gone/go to scholl and become teachers themselves. No, they are upset because as public servants, they pay the taxes that pay your sallary, so they have a liegitimate interest in what you make.

That leads to the principle of value. Most people see compensation as a package, not a sllary number. Truth is, like it or not teachers do have more paid time off than any profession I can think of. They also have very generous healthcare and pensions (which in most industries have gone away completely). And not to mention the job security afforded by tenure. All those things add up to be an EXTREMELY generaous compensation package. Calculate the VALUE of of that package, and you are looking at an average of six figures. If you struggle to make ends meet on that, then that is not an issue to bring to the public asking for more. Rather, you need to solve that yourself.

And you can't make the argument that others made the choice to NOT become a teacher so shouldn't complain about what teachers get, and then inthe same breath complain about it yourself. After all you made the choice TO become a teacher.

I believe the community is ok with paying teachers well. I know I am. But then to hear complaints about it? And then to threaten a strike, which let's face it, only has teeth because of the extreme amount of inconveniecne it puts on the community. Well, THAT is what burns most people up.

Unions and organizing were designed to prevent largely unskilled workers who had no leverage because they had not only no skills of particular value, but also were in high enough numbers to be expendable. Teachers are skilled, and there are nationwide shortages of them. That's not the spirit of what unions are for.
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#214
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NWGuy wrote:
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Wow, are you SO out of touch.
In my position in software creation I hired teachers to fill a number of positions ranging from user education (where they owned every word seen by a customer in manuals or software), marketing, product design, testing and management of creation - something we call program management.
Teachers are easy pickings, because they are paid so poorly. Sure, they have time off in the summer, but not very many Americans will choose vacation time over the potential for success in the workplace. I used their vacation time as a selling point for them coming to work for ME, where I offered them short vacations, long hours, and no paid overtime - something they understand very well. Of course, they got paid more, had stock in the company, and they have serious decision making responsibility with a reward structure.
Teacher retention is a problem in the US. As we say "no" to strikes, the smart young teachers with lots of good options leave. The even smarter ones decide that while they might love to teach, they simply can't afford to.
And, you can give the rest all the subject tests you want - it won't make any difference if you can't attract the smart minds and retain the ones you do get.
A union is not the only way to be compensated fairly. I moved to Georgia severl years back, where about one third of the teachers are in a union, and the rest are not (within one school district mind you). And why do most of them choose NOT to join the union? Becasue the ones who are not in the union get paid more! Sure they know they could be fired if they don't do the job. But then again that's how I have worked (and most of us as well) my entire adult life.

And the union issue? How come, my brother who is a Union Lineman, works for a union that has never gone on strike once? Is every school district in PA inherently "evil" towards it's teachers more than any other industry? Or could it be something else?

I expected the performance down there to be low, and what I found is the district I moved in to blew the PA district I moved out of away. they outscored them on just about everything.

Teachers are compensated fairly for their work. The "Teachers are underpaid" issue is an old one that no longer applies. Again, though, it's not the pay itself that bugs most - it's the complaining about it, and constantly coming back for more.
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#215
Aug 31, 2009
 
ASD Teacher wrote:
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Isn't your son worth 30 dollars? That is sad!!!
Of course her son is worth that. that is not what she is saying at all. The point is, the only reason she has to pay that,(and the other consequences, which were more valid than money, but you chose to ignore), is becasue of teachers choosing to strike.

If your township created a new tax charging you $30 a day for each kid you have to fund raises for the township employees, would it be fair to say, "Isn't your son worth 30 dollars? That is sad!!!"

Get over yourself!
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#216
Sep 2, 2009
 
Marc:

You wrote:

No, they are upset because as public servants, they pay the taxes that pay your sallary, so they have a liegitimate interest in what you make.

Did the taxpayers have a legitimate interest in what teachers made 10-15 years ago? Did they have an interest in what teachers made 25 years ago. No one cared back in those days as to what a teacher made. Teachers were well-unbderpaid and you did not have an outcry that we should increase their pay. Look if it was not for the unions, teachers would not even be making 50,000.

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