California Proposition 19: the Mariju...

California Proposition 19: the Marijuana Legalization Initiative

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Since: Aug 12

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#11561 Aug 27, 2012
Seems to be a lot more comments in this forum than in the "Shall we offer more mathematics classes in our schools".

Since: Aug 12

Colton, CA

#11562 Aug 27, 2012
Yes ...
Bruno24

Belgium

#11563 Aug 28, 2012
Asian guy, Ronald, I know a guy who has been a victim of burgling, by people who were regular on coffee. Much later his daughter get molested at school by someone having drink a cup of coffee. And believe it or not, coffee is still legal. How is that possible?

Yes, the problem is not coffee, nor pot, but a lack of education in math and logic.

Perhaps we should make math and logic illegal, as correct statistics shows that illegality of non violent activity enhances a lot that activity.

Asian Guy, will you eventually understand that we want follow the law, and that is why we discuss to make pot legal?
Goofball

La Puente, CA

#11564 Aug 28, 2012
Such a long list of nittwhitts signing up.
RiccardoFire

Sacramento, CA

#11565 Aug 28, 2012
Cannabis smoking 'permanently lowers IQ'
Teenagers who regularly smoke cannabis are putting themselves at risk of permanently damaging their intelligence, according to a landmark study. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/...
Goofball

La Puente, CA

#11566 Aug 28, 2012
Ricky has been a favorite of his own mind for so long he just can't think straight anymore.

Since: Nov 08

Corbin Ky.

#11567 Aug 28, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
Cannabis smoking 'permanently lowers IQ'
Teenagers who regularly smoke cannabis are putting themselves at risk of permanently damaging their intelligence, according to a landmark study. http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/...
"A landmark study" you say? I couldn't find any names of the researchers who performed this "landmark study" or any lab/university associated with this "landmark study".

What I did find is that the "landmark study" claims a loss of 8 IQ points among young smokers.

"Factors
The definition of normal mental aptitude can vary from test to test. The type of test a person takes can influence the IQ score by as much as 10 points."

"Advice
Anyone interested in obtaining the most accurate IQ result should take the test from a psychologist or educator, according to the Mensa Foundation."

Read more: Does Our IQ Change?| eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_5767200_iq-change_....

Seems that the claim of losing 8 IQ points may very well be the result of the particular test given especially if not given by a qualified psychologist/educator.

I also found this info on another site pointing to the New Zealand "landmark study",

"For adult-onset cannabis users, there was ultimately no change in their IQ over time. But individuals who started using cannabis between the ages of 13 and 18 experienced an average IQ drop of eight points.

The researchers did not determine how much cannabis a person needs to use in order to impair intelligence, as well as the age range that is most vulnerable."

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/08/27/pot-...

Looks like your "landmark study" may have been a shot in the dark at best and I don't think that anyone on here is for allowing 13 year olds to use marijuana.

Also, New Zealand now has marijuana vending machines because mj is a way of life for them so go give them the results of your "landmark study".

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#11568 Aug 28, 2012
Bruno24 wrote:
Asian guy, Ronald, I know a guy who has been a victim of burgling, by people who were regular on coffee. Much later his daughter get molested at school by someone having drink a cup of coffee. And believe it or not, coffee is still legal. How is that possible?
Yes, the problem is not coffee, nor pot, but a lack of education in math and logic.
Perhaps we should make math and logic illegal, as correct statistics shows that illegality of non violent activity enhances a lot that activity.
Asian Guy, will you eventually understand that we want follow the law, and that is why we discuss to make pot legal?
quote, "you WANT to follow the law? that is why you discuss making it legal?"

in other words, you break the law as you please.

like I said... cocaine using, marijuana smoking, brain dead, stupid hippies.

illegality of non-violent activity enhances a lot of that activity?

you sound like eric holder ranting about how good fast and furious was for him. yeah. he didn't engage in any non-violent activity. he just let his actions allow it to happen to others.

it's like obama ranting about how good obamacare is going to be for everybody. but he doesn't consider what the cost of it will be for our children who will end up having to pay for it.

again, brain dead hippies.
RiccardoFire

Sacramento, CA

#11569 Aug 28, 2012
wowed wrote:
<quoted text>
"A landmark study" you say? I couldn't find any names of the researchers who performed this "landmark study" or any lab/university associated with this "landmark study".
What I did find is that the "landmark study" claims a loss of 8 IQ points among young smokers.
"Factors
The definition of normal mental aptitude can vary from test to test. The type of test a person takes can influence the IQ score by as much as 10 points."
"Advice
Anyone interested in obtaining the most accurate IQ result should take the test from a psychologist or educator, according to the Mensa Foundation."
Read more: Does Our IQ Change?| eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_5767200_iq-change_....
Seems that the claim of losing 8 IQ points may very well be the result of the particular test given especially if not given by a qualified psychologist/educator.
I also found this info on another site pointing to the New Zealand "landmark study",
"For adult-onset cannabis users, there was ultimately no change in their IQ over time. But individuals who started using cannabis between the ages of 13 and 18 experienced an average IQ drop of eight points.
The researchers did not determine how much cannabis a person needs to use in order to impair intelligence, as well as the age range that is most vulnerable."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/08/27/pot-...
Looks like your "landmark study" may have been a shot in the dark at best and I don't think that anyone on here is for allowing 13 year olds to use marijuana.
Also, New Zealand now has marijuana vending machines because mj is a way of life for them so go give them the results of your "landmark study".
Are you stoned? Sorry I was attacking a religion. Are you sober enough to understand the study says pot is harmful for those under 18? Are you under 18 and smoking pot. Guess what? Pot is not good for kids. I didn't write the story or do the study. Argue with the Researchers. Argue with King’s College London and Duke University, not me. Argue with Professor Terrie Moffitt, of KCL’s Institute of Psychiatry, who contributed to the study, I'm sure your studies must be right.

Since: Sep 07

Location hidden

#11570 Aug 28, 2012
wowed wrote:
<quoted text>
"A landmark study" you say? I couldn't find any names of the researchers who performed this "landmark study" or any lab/university associated with this "landmark study".
What I did find is that the "landmark study" claims a loss of 8 IQ points among young smokers.
"Factors
The definition of normal mental aptitude can vary from test to test. The type of test a person takes can influence the IQ score by as much as 10 points."
"Advice
Anyone interested in obtaining the most accurate IQ result should take the test from a psychologist or educator, according to the Mensa Foundation."
Read more: Does Our IQ Change?| eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_5767200_iq-change_....
Seems that the claim of losing 8 IQ points may very well be the result of the particular test given especially if not given by a qualified psychologist/educator.
I also found this info on another site pointing to the New Zealand "landmark study",
"For adult-onset cannabis users, there was ultimately no change in their IQ over time. But individuals who started using cannabis between the ages of 13 and 18 experienced an average IQ drop of eight points.
The researchers did not determine how much cannabis a person needs to use in order to impair intelligence, as well as the age range that is most vulnerable."
Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/health/2012/08/27/pot-...
Looks like your "landmark study" may have been a shot in the dark at best and I don't think that anyone on here is for allowing 13 year olds to use marijuana.
Also, New Zealand now has marijuana vending machines because mj is a way of life for them so go give them the results of your "landmark study".
hey. wow.

did you know that long term marijuana use results in paranoia?

just do a google search on "marijuana paranoia". and enjoy the reading.

from personal experiences, I can confirm the paranoia. I have many friends who become psychotic because of their use of marijuana.

they don't know that they are psychotic. but then that is why they call it psychotic. get it, genius?

so, tell me, bro. why should we allow something that causes psychosis to become legal? that would be illogical, right?

perhaps that is why we have a law against it? and not because of what you say? greed and corruption?

"greed and corruption." ..something that I would guess a psychotic person would say. you probably think all us non-users are crazy.

right?

Since: Nov 08

Corbin Ky.

#11571 Aug 28, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>Are you stoned? Sorry I was attacking a religion. Are you sober enough to understand the study says pot is harmful for those under 18? Are you under 18 and smoking pot. Guess what? Pot is not good for kids. I didn't write the story or do the study. Argue with the Researchers. Argue with King’s College London and Duke University, not me. Argue with Professor Terrie Moffitt, of KCL’s Institute of Psychiatry, who contributed to the study, I'm sure your studies must be right.
No, I'm not stoned, I only use it because of my disability so I can get a good nights sleep.

Why bring up religion, are you totally lost in the conversation?

You evidently didn't read what I said when I pointed out that no one on here is for 13 year olds to use marijuana.

Your link didn't provide any researchers names or universities so if what you post about that now is correct (King’s College London and Duke University), then thanks for sharing some facts, I will check them out.

For every study you show that demonizes marijuana use, I can show you one that claims just the opposite.

I'm 62 years old and have never felt that underage children should use it in any form just as with alcohol which to me is the "gateway drug".

Since: Nov 08

Corbin Ky.

#11572 Aug 28, 2012
Asian Guy wrote:
<quoted text>
hey. wow.
did you know that long term marijuana use results in paranoia?
just do a google search on "marijuana paranoia". and enjoy the reading.
from personal experiences, I can confirm the paranoia. I have many friends who become psychotic because of their use of marijuana.
they don't know that they are psychotic. but then that is why they call it psychotic. get it, genius?
so, tell me, bro. why should we allow something that causes psychosis to become legal? that would be illogical, right?
perhaps that is why we have a law against it? and not because of what you say? greed and corruption?
"greed and corruption." ..something that I would guess a psychotic person would say. you probably think all us non-users are crazy.
right?
Someone is busted for marijuana use in this country every 45 seconds, no wonder we are paranoid,lol. Having to hide to use an herb for medical reason may contribute to a little paranoia.

I think you need to learn just why it is illegal and stop living in denial about it. Facts show that it is nothing more than "greed and corruption" but you can deny that all you like. Don't be spoon fed what you should believe. Take it upon yourself to be educated about the world around you so you won't look so foolish because of your statements.

You say, "why should we allow something that causes psychosis to become legal".

Why should we allow something that kills over 400,000 people every year to be legal such as tobacco?

Why should we allow something that kills over 100,000 people every year to be legal as with alcohol? Not to mention the tens of thousands of deaths each year because of drunk drivers. According to you and your logic, all those deaths are acceptable because those drugs are legal.

Why do we ban cigarettes in some cities where the black deisel smoke from busses and trucks choke the life out of you?
Goofball

West Covina, CA

#11573 Aug 28, 2012
Clouds are stating to form, wonder if we will be rained out?
menohuur

Clinton, IN

#11574 Aug 28, 2012
Goofball wrote:
Clouds are stating to form, wonder if we will be rained out?
spell check please
Shadows

West Covina, CA

#11575 Aug 28, 2012
Watch out, they will coming out of the shadows now.

Forget the movies, they don't use the sun anymore.
RiccardoFire

Sacramento, CA

#11576 Aug 28, 2012
wowed wrote:
<quoted text>
No, I'm not stoned, I only use it because of my disability so I can get a good nights sleep.
Why bring up religion, are you totally lost in the conversation?
You evidently didn't read what I said when I pointed out that no one on here is for 13 year olds to use marijuana.
Your link didn't provide any researchers names or universities so if what you post about that now is correct (King’s College London and Duke University), then thanks for sharing some facts, I will check them out.
For every study you show that demonizes marijuana use, I can show you one that claims just the opposite.
I'm 62 years old and have never felt that underage children should use it in any form just as with alcohol which to me is the "gateway drug".
Actually a lot of 13 year old's are using pot. That's why I included the link.
RiccardoFire

Sacramento, CA

#11577 Aug 28, 2012
wowed wrote:
<quoted text>
Someone is busted for marijuana use in this country every 45 seconds, no wonder we are paranoid,lol. Having to hide to use an herb for medical reason may contribute to a little paranoia.
I think you need to learn just why it is illegal and stop living in denial about it. Facts show that it is nothing more than "greed and corruption" but you can deny that all you like. Don't be spoon fed what you should believe. Take it upon yourself to be educated about the world around you so you won't look so foolish because of your statements.
You say, "why should we allow something that causes psychosis to become legal".
Why should we allow something that kills over 400,000 people every year to be legal such as tobacco?
Why should we allow something that kills over 100,000 people every year to be legal as with alcohol? Not to mention the tens of thousands of deaths each year because of drunk drivers. According to you and your logic, all those deaths are acceptable because those drugs are legal.
Why do we ban cigarettes in some cities where the black deisel smoke from busses and trucks choke the life out of you?
well said, i agree, im so sick of walking down a street and not having my free rights to breath air. Cigarettes should be banned if the gov. really wants to justify why pot is not legal for adults. But obama smokes cigarettes and michelle says nothing but eat carrots while she eats fries, and the big complaint is how bad oil companies are, not the cigarette companies that keep buying politicians and paying taxes. It's all a big scam. The problem with pot is the gov. has not found a way to make big money off of it. Cops make money off arresting people with it. If they make it legal, they know everyone will just grow it.
Nick Names

West Covina, CA

#11578 Aug 28, 2012
RF = Ring Faced

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#11579 Aug 28, 2012
Bull Durham wrote:
<quoted text>
Now I will ask you a question. Do you know why marijuana is illegal?
This is the kind of question I wish everyone knew the answer to. Especially juries should be instructed as to why and how it became illegal in the first place. People should feel pretty stupid sitting on a jury once they know the real history of paper from trees versus paper from hemp and who stood to lose lots of money.

Since: Feb 09

Location hidden

#11580 Aug 28, 2012
RiccardoFire wrote:
<quoted text>well said, i agree, im so sick of walking down a street and not having my free rights to breath air. Cigarettes should be banned if the gov. really wants to justify why pot is not legal for adults. But obama smokes cigarettes and michelle says nothing but eat carrots while she eats fries, and the big complaint is how bad oil companies are, not the cigarette companies that keep buying politicians and paying taxes. It's all a big scam. The problem with pot is the gov. has not found a way to make big money off of it. Cops make money off arresting people with it. If they make it legal, they know everyone will just grow it.
Not everyone, but most everyone is just growing it.

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