Pendulum pusher off the hook: Man suc...

Pendulum pusher off the hook: Man successfully fights $250 ticket for pushing pendulum arm sculpture

There are 118 comments on the Santa Cruz Sentinel story from Apr 15, 2009, titled Pendulum pusher off the hook: Man successfully fights $250 ticket for pushing pendulum arm sculpture. In it, Santa Cruz Sentinel reports that:

Pushing the pendulum on a public artwork downtown became a legal push and shove, and a headache, for a Washington state man.

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“Pearls before swine”

Since: Mar 08

Santa Cruz, CA.

#132 Apr 18, 2009
FLOUNDER GHEE WRITES: "And Robert Norse, homeless advocate, wants $700 for a chicken coop with no plumbing. "

BECKY: You know, earlier in this thread you called me a "liar." You were wrong then and you are wrong now. The person who listed the chicken coop was PSB's former landlord and NOT Robert Norse. To my knowledge, Robert Norse is not any kind of a landlord. He is, himself, a renter and lives in a fairly small room.

“Pearls before swine”

Since: Mar 08

Santa Cruz, CA.

#133 Apr 18, 2009
DUMBO WRITES: "So if I understand you correctly
you are saying if the bums had housing
they would have someplace to rape women
besides parking structures and alleys?"

BECKY: No, DUMBO, I am not saying anything even remotely like this.
General BillBo

San Jose, CA

#134 Apr 18, 2009
Well, anyone who is now tempted to push one of "Leadership's official government arts monopoly" pendulums can understand BCA's position in "Leaderships'" BCA Issue.

Because, we Taxpayers own literally THOUSANDS of million dollar concert halls - these fancy expenive "pendulums" abound in nearly every California Taxpayer Owned school district, college and university throughout the entire state.

Nearly every one of them could be successfully "pushed" into coughing up a gratifying ammount of BRAND NEW FUNDING for hard pressed California Taxpayers. We're talking about millions and millions of potential new dollars every week.

So, honestly now, how much are WE TAXPAYERS willing to keep paying and paying and paying to maker certain that our precious Government Arts Monopoly's "arts pendulums" remain perfectly still?
DBS

Santa Cruz, CA

#136 Apr 18, 2009
Becky Johnson wrote:
HUFF is a civil rights advocacy group for poor and homeless people. We are not a shelter provider.
It has been my experience that most homeless people who ARE helped to get back into housing, are aided by private individuals more than by any public program. I think it should be the other way around.
No Becky, you do NOT have my permission to spend MY tax dollars for your screwball ideas of what your swarm of vagrant parasites are entitled to.

Everyone else wants to clean up this town, stop trying to make a bigger mess.
DBS

Santa Cruz, CA

#137 Apr 18, 2009
Becky Johnson wrote:
It has been my experience that most homeless people who ARE helped to get back into housing, are aided by private individuals more than by any public program.
Except for Robert, the trust-fund-multi-millionaire.

Oh wait, he pays himself to lobby for spending everyone else's money.

That's a big help.
Flounder Ghee

Ben Lomond, CA

#139 Apr 18, 2009
Becky Johnson wrote:
I'm sorry that PSB chooses to judge us by what we didn't do.
But you judge people by what they don't do.
Flounder Ghee

Ben Lomond, CA

#140 Apr 18, 2009
Becky Johnson wrote:
It has been my experience that most homeless people who ARE helped to get back into housing, are aided by private individuals more than by any public program.
Which gives more of an argument why Robert should be helping people directly. Until services can get up to speed the more people Robert and Huff do not help are more people out in the cold, hungry, and dying. You just said in the immediate situation private individuals like Robert can do more, yet he choses not to. Do you support people with money sitting back while other people go hungry and are left out in the cold?
Flounder Ghee

Ben Lomond, CA

#141 Apr 18, 2009
Becky Johnson wrote:
BECKY: You know, earlier in this thread you called me a "liar." You were wrong then and you are wrong now.
I am sorry if I made a mistake when looking at state versus national numbers. Please accept my apology.
It is similar to when you get city and county numbers confused. You can hardly throw a stone at me for something you do with regularity.
Flounder Ghee

Ben Lomond, CA

#142 Apr 18, 2009
Becky Johnson wrote:
HUFF is a civil rights advocacy group for poor and homeless people. We are not a shelter provider.
You really are making yourself look worse. What you do is talk. Anyone can do that. And many do. It's what you get accomplished that people judge you by.
Talk is cheap.

“Pearls before swine”

Since: Mar 08

Santa Cruz, CA.

#143 Apr 18, 2009
FUTURESHOCK WRITES: "I don't understand why Becky wants to spend MY TAX DOLLARS to house a transient population of vagrant wastrels who are only migrating here because the the warm and welcoming social norms and the myriad generous social programs for the 'formerly housed'."

BECKY: Don't you think you are already paying millions and millions of dollars for police, judges, lawyers, courts, jailers, jail, probation officers, and all the medical needs of this population which we are by law, on the hook for, when they are incarcerated for silly things like "pushing a pendulum" or for "sleeping at night?"

The problem with criminalizing homeless people (DISPLACED FORMER TENANTS) for things like sitting, sleeping, or for asking for coins, then we are only deepening their homelessness and making it LESS likely that they will again be productive tax-paying citizens.

YOUNG HOMELESS MEN need help with job training and sometimes the homeless court so their RECORD doesn't hold them back from gaining employment and housing.

The STATUS QUO which is vigorously supported by CRAIG, BEN, DBS, XANTHIPPE, SC LOCAL, PAT KITTLE, HUGH E. RECTION, BLONDE, BRENDAHALIA, DREW, REALITY CHECK, our local SCPD, the Redevelopment Agency, Parks & Rec, and councilmembers Coonerty, Mathews, and Robinson uses a myriad of ordinances to criminalize homeless people in the mistaken notion that we can make them "go away."

Instead, CHRONIC homelessness has been increasing. In 1990, only 9% of homeless people were chronic. By 2000 that number had doubled to 18%. Criminalization DEEPENS homelessness whereas helping the poor and homeless by a combination of public and private charity SOLVES homelessness. NO HUMAN BEING IS A THROW AWAY!

You should also consider the public health risks caused by a large population of homeless people. Diseases of poverty include tuberculosis, hepatitus A, not to mention the common flu. All of these are contagious and represent a public health risk more than justifying some public funds and facilities being used for shelter, food, and services.

It is an expense with a public health benefit. Do you really WANT to live in conditions like a 3rd world country? The number of people who are experiencing homelessness is a tiny percentage of the whole population. 1%- 3% at most!

Simply DIVERT monies we are already spending on police, courts, and jails into housing and services until there are no more homeless people on our streets. It can be done. It SHOULD be done!

Since 2006, a combined effort on the part of the City, County, federal and state funding, nonprofits, and private donors have increased the number of housing units for chronically homeless people by 80 units. This past December, we saw a noticeable drop in the number of homeless people who died last year. Only 20 people died compared to 2007 in which 36 people died. I think we ARE seeing that supportive housing (not shelters) are saving lives. That's tangible evidence. Clearly over a decade of criminalization only brought us more homelessness, longer bouts of homelessness, at a high expense.

“Pearls before swine”

Since: Mar 08

Santa Cruz, CA.

#147 Apr 18, 2009
FLOUNDER GHEE WRITES: "It is similar to when you get city and county numbers confused. You can hardly throw a stone at me for something you do with regularity."

BECKY: Correction. I use City and County figures and am NOT confused as to the difference. Some of the people reading my posts get these confused and then (falsely) claim that I intended to obfuscate or that I don't know the difference. Perhaps I am wrong again. Can you point to an actual POST of mine where I 'confused' county and city statistics?

I thought not.

“Pearls before swine”

Since: Mar 08

Santa Cruz, CA.

#148 Apr 18, 2009
FLOUNDER GHEE WRITES: "But you judge people by what they don't do."

BECKY: Yes, you are right again. When the 'people' you mean are elected officials with the responsibility for the health and safety of ALL of their constituents then, yes, I do judge them by what they don't do.

When they are sworn police officers and they fail to take the complaint of a citizen of assault, abuse, or verbal threats, then yes, I do judge them by what they don't do.

When they are religious leaders and they SEE the misery and poverty in their own parishes and they DON'T step up to the plate and serve the needs of the poor and homeless AS DIRECTED TO DO SO by their main religious teacher, leader, and icon who they claim to love so much, then yes, I do judge them by what they don't do.

“Pearls before swine”

Since: Mar 08

Santa Cruz, CA.

#149 Apr 18, 2009
FLOUNDER GHEE WRITES: "Which gives more of an argument why Robert should be helping people directly."

BECKY: What makes you think he isn't?

“Pearls before swine”

Since: Mar 08

Santa Cruz, CA.

#150 Apr 18, 2009
Becky Johnson wrote: HUFF is a civil rights advocacy group for poor and homeless people. We are not a shelter provider.

FLOUNDER GHEE WRITES: "You really are making yourself look worse. What you do is talk. Anyone can do that. And many do. It's what you get accomplished that people judge you by.
Talk is cheap."

BECKY: I guess you could say that the US STATE DEPARTMENT is all talk!! Hmmmm. Judges all all talk. Lawyers are definitely all talk. Psychologists---all talk. Teachers? Of course, you would say that I am "all talk."

HUFF has no budget. We do not have non-profit status. We have NO PAID STAFF. We have no government funding. Why you think, just because we have the word "homeless" in our name, that that means our "job" is to provide housing for homeless people in a town that is loathe to do so. Sorry. That is not the mission any of us signed on to do. We are not bad people because we are doing a different task than the one you want to assign us to, and then condemn us for failing to do.

Instead, our volunteers go to events and report on them. We talk to homeless people and report what they tell us. We intervene when they are ill-treated by the police or a service provider. We accompany homeless people to court and do peer counseling with them---all for free!!

In this case, Robert advised Lather to go to the law library and look up the law. He told him where the law library was and how to disqualify the Commissioner. Does nothing? I don't think Lather would agree.
Craig

Ben Lomond, CA

#151 Apr 18, 2009
Becky Johnson wrote:
BECKY: Correction. I use City and County figures and am NOT confused as to the difference.
BEE ESS!!!!

You are confused CONSTANTLY when giving out numbers. If you're not then you are being deceitful.
eric d

Boulder Creek, CA

#153 Apr 18, 2009
Dirty Harry wrote:
<quoted text>
With the appropriate negative stimulation
the 'formerly housed' might just decide
to go 'where the weather suits my clothes'.
One factor influencing migration patterns
of young people affected with wanderlust
is the treatment they are likely to recieve
when they hit a strange town.
Nomadic hippie types have a very effective
'grapevine' and get the word out quickly
when one town on 'the circuit' has a 'crack down'.
Trust in this one thing,
if we back up the SCPD in cracking down
on the undesirable element downtown
within a month the entire nomadic community
will get the word.
Sure thing, Winston.
this is lather

Spokane, WA

#154 Apr 28, 2012
JJJ wrote:
disabled, unemployed, and on a vacation he can't afford to return from. looks like homeless, smells like ... yeah, sounds homeless to me.
your a shit snob the insaneacruz police said the pendulum is a ticket trap for local people and so are other monuments.good job bet your a talking pig squeal stupid one.you sound dumb an full of scum yep you dumb scum brown-nosser you must get off by cop torment what a jurk my wife said
I am the pendulum pusher

United States

#155 May 6, 2013
typical lee wrote:
odd how the usually so-accessible police department could not be reached for comment on this.
the cop's are ticking people. Again they Just don't seem to learn anything. BAD COP'S! NO DONUTS

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