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Sum Dim

Redwood City, CA

#798 May 13, 2013
you assume too much. At least half of the people who came to protest your "upstanding" pro-gentrification stance were born and raised in this town. I have met more transients who have lived here probably longer than you, who were born and raised in SC, and are now getting nothing but pain from these yuppie types that moved into SC during the dot com boom in the 90's who are now saying they want this town to be their picture of white suburban sprawl.
Sum Dim

Redwood City, CA

#799 May 13, 2013
Everyone has yet to answer my initial questions. Who is taking back Santa Cruz? To return to who? And to what end? The idea of removing an "undesirable element" from an area, is not a new one. I first became aware of the phenomenon in my youth, via black and white film footage. I will admit, that it was a trifle hard to understand as the narration was in GERMAN!!!!!
Sum Dim

Redwood City, CA

#800 May 13, 2013
What?? When big name surfers have been selling meth for years and have high profile addictions and several still do it. When 1 of the very top police brass has admitted to purchasing cocaine in the Beach Flats "back in the day" and one former police mouthpiece used to play guitar in a meth saturated rock band. You pretend that these folks in the video are the only drug addicts in our town. Way more drugs are sold right in your own neighborhoods but the do it with cell phones and houses.
Sum Dim

Redwood City, CA

#801 May 13, 2013
I don’t know if you know this, but I was kicked out of the Clean Team. The Clean Team was basically taken over by Take Back Santa Cruz, and they kicked me off of my own page. A vocal group member was basically made an admin, and I was kicked off. They had a completely different stance on the needle exchange. You know, I’ve done a massive amount of research when I went to all of these needle meetings. I went to the very first meeting and recorded it, and everyone was fighting and flipping out. There were all of these people that hadn’t done any research, and they were coming up with solutions that absolutely weren’t feasible.
Sum Dim

Redwood City, CA

#802 May 13, 2013
I was sent a bunch of hate mail from the person that started Take Back Santa Cruz, saying that I am in no way affiliated with them. I thought that was fine, because I don’t care to be affiliated with them. I was also receiving death threats, from all kinds of members of Take Back Santa Cruz, and other random people. I’m getting death threats on various forums, and finally I thought that, you know what, if people want to fight over this place go ahead. I’m here trying to help, and if they don’t want my help...I feel that I got more done in three weeks than people had gotten done in a year. After being threatened and being called an anarchist, and all of this random stuff, it was evident that they obviously don’t know who I am. I was reading stuff in the forums like,‘If I see TJ in the street, I’m going to kick his ass.’ They don’t even know who I am. They might have seen a picture on Facebook, or read a story, or had seen me on KSBW, but they don’t know who I am.

I do my best to be non confrontational, but what was happening was that they would erase anything that I would put up. I was trying to get to the root of the problem. I feel that it was being derailed and unraveled. It was a sad moment for me, but it was almost a release. The police chief told me to lay low, my phone had gotten tapped, my email hacked, and I was dealing with all kinds of crappy stuff. I had to step back for a while. I feel that it’s helped me gain a more, objective, educated viewpoint, rather than just working strictly off of emotion.
Sum Dim

Redwood City, CA

#803 May 13, 2013
After realizing just how bad it really is in Santa Cruz, I needed a break. There is so much in-fighting, and after having people take over my group, and taking it in a completely different direction than I was trying to go with it. I really wanted The Clean Team to make the city have to wake up. People are getting paid for what they’re not doing. It made me furious. The polarity is the epitome of close minded thinking. When I saw some of the cleans going on after I left, and I saw that people were taking homeless people’s stuff, I was appalled. You know, just because you find some people’s skateboards, you can’t just take them. I am all for cleaning up the garbage!

Whenever I hosted a clean, I went out there a week before where people were camping, and I would talk to everyone out there and let them know that we were going to be cleaning. I went to the Pogonip at midnight with an officer to let people know that we weren’t going to be messing with their belongings. What ended up happening was that people wanted to do these loosely knit cleans. I have no doubt that everyone cares about Santa Cruz, but I definitely feel that there’s a lot of misguided effort. We hear about all of these crimes against homeless people, and it just appalls me.

I was tired of all the hate. I definitely saw a lot of hate on the Take Back Santa Cruz website. I got personal messages when I had the Report Your Local Lurker website that were absolutely evil. People were talking about poisoning the homeless, lighting their RVs on fire, beating them up at night. It just made me see the evil in this world. You know, never underestimate the stupidity of people in a group. It’s mob rule, and basically reminds me of a riot.
TBSC Loon Alert

San Mateo, CA

#804 May 13, 2013
DBS wrote:
<quoted text>
Show us where I said I was a member of TBSC????
So you are saying that you are not a TBSC member but you post in online forums as "TBSC Member" ????

Way to troll, DBS, but I don't believe you.

If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck....it is a Take Back Santa Cruz member on meth.
TBSC Loon Alert

San Mateo, CA

#805 May 13, 2013
DBS threatens people regularly on topix, and I'm wondering who else he threatens as part of his official Take Back Santa Cruz duties....

http://santacruz.patch.com/blog_posts/fever-p...
WooF

Walnut Creek, CA

#806 May 13, 2013
Sum Dim wrote:
I was really into the idea of Take Back Santa Cruz when&#65279; it started because I liked the idea of preventing gang violence. But lately they are turning me off by showing someone panhandling as if they are a criminal destroying our city. Violent crime is one thing, poor or mentally ill people with nowhere to go is something different.
You must of gotten a really bad Load of meth last night, John you haven't been to bed and been posting the most idiotic nonsense in your history. And that is really impressive!
Reality Check

Santa Cruz, CA

#807 May 13, 2013
Up at 4am frantically cutting and pasting again, John?

The Loon has taken flight.
Reality Check

San Francisco, CA

#808 May 13, 2013
TBSC Loon Alert wrote:
<quoted text>
So you are saying that you are not a TBSC member but you post in online forums as "TBSC Member" ????
Way to troll, DBS, but I don't believe you.
If it looks like a duck, and it quacks like a duck....it is a Take Back Santa Cruz member on meth.
Crickets from DBS on this.
Emmanuel Goldstein

Santa Cruz, CA

#809 May 14, 2013
Lasted less than 1/2 hour:

Third that
by Emmanuel Goldstein
Tuesday May 14th, 2013 7:46 AM

There is no dissent or discussion allowed in Santa Cruz Indymedia. If you bring up opposing viewpoints, you are shunned or kicked out. I've seen people post numerous comments on their site, only to have them censored by the Santa Cruz Indymedia Thought Police.

I really hate websites and groups that do this. If you believe something, have the goddamned balls to let people dissent and disagree. Calling someone a troll and deleting their comments just because they challenge your worldview is so utterly weak.
Emmanuel Goldstein

Santa Cruz, CA

#810 May 14, 2013
Full deleted text, lasted less than 1/2 hour:

Third that
by Emmanuel Goldstein
Tuesday May 14th, 2013 7:46 AM

There is no dissent or discussion allowed in Santa Cruz Indymedia. If you bring up opposing viewpoints, you are shunned or kicked out. I've seen people post numerous comments on their site, only to have them censored by the Santa Cruz Indymedia Thought Police.

I really hate websites and groups that do this. If you believe something, have the goddamned balls to let people dissent and disagree. Calling someone a troll and deleting their comments just because they challenge your worldview is so utterly weak.

Grow a pair, Santa Cruz Indymedia.
Sum Dim

South San Francisco, CA

#811 May 14, 2013
Damn. The Indybay Thought Police are losing their edge. They let this series of posts go for 18 hours. Sheesh.

Post 1:

"As ex member says, there is no dissent or discussion allowed in TBSC. If you bring up opposing viewpoints, you are shunned or kicked out. I've seen people post numerous comments on their Facebook page, only to have them censored by the TBSC Thought Police.

I really hate websites and groups that do this. If you believe something, have the goddamned balls to let people dissent and disagree. Calling someone a troll and deleting their comments just because they challenge your worldview is so utterly weak.

Grow a pair, TBSC."

Post 2:

"The difference between when Indybay monitors delete posts, and TBSC fascists do the same, is that dissent on Indybay is always posted by trolls. There isn't any reason to dissent on a site that is founded upon the premise of dissent. Why would anyone dissent with dissent? That makes no sense.

The posts that are deleted at TBSC's Facebook page are being posted by the same people posting on Indybay, not trolls. TBSC represents authority in this town, and whenever they delete a post they do so to chillingly crush dissent and silence critics.

Indybay: Real Dissenters

TBSC: Trolls

There's a big difference."

Post 3:

"That's correct. Posts on Indybay are always truthful and honest, devoid of hate speech, and absolutely transparent. Opening up this site always fills the room with love and kindness. Not so with TBSC, where, every time I pull up the Facebook page, I'm swept away on a tidal wave of hate and anger, from trolls who censor posts that criticize them and especially their leaders.

Indybay. The True Way."
Sum Dim

Scotts Valley, CA

#812 May 14, 2013
This too:

The "Public Safety" Task Force, hand-picked by Mayor Hillary Bryant, has its first meeting tonight at 6 PM in the small Tony Hill sideroom at the Civic Auditorium on Church St. across from City Council chambers. According to staff person Scott Collins, the meeting will not be televised, though he intends to bring a small audio recorder. The room accommodates a much smaller number of people than the City Council chambers across the street or the main Civic auditorium assembly room in the same building. It also has no provision for letting folks outside listen via speakers as City Council has. Bryant has politely refused to move either the time or location of the meeting.
Sum Dim

Scotts Valley, CA

#813 May 14, 2013
HYSTERIA-HEAVY ORIGINS OF THE PUBLIC SAFETY TASK FARCE
The Public Safety Task Force was hastily cobbled together as a patch-up job to respond to the loud criticism of Take Back Santa Cruz and The Clean Team, who came to City Council shaking cans of hypodermic needles they'd picked up over the previous days, weeks, and months.
Sum Dim

Scotts Valley, CA

#814 May 14, 2013
The fact that they found less than 750 needles in less than half a year compared with the 250,000 reportedly turned in to S.O.S. volunteer Needle Exchange didn't stop City Council from meeting in closed session, closing down all needle exchange in the city limits, and treating this political hysteria as though it were a real public safety concern.
Sum Dim

Scotts Valley, CA

#815 May 14, 2013
The Clean Team recently was exposed as homeless harassers in a You-Tube video, which disappeared several minutes after it was posted, as CT members denounced and abused homeless people in their sleeping bags, threatened to return and pour water on them, demanded they get up, and clean up the area.
I've stopped waiting for Take Back Santa Cruz to announce it has told its "clean up" crews not to disturb homeless camps as Save Our Shelter folks are reportedly advised in their regular clean-ups along the beaches and river.
Sum Dim

Scotts Valley, CA

#816 May 14, 2013
NO HOMELESS INVOLVEMENT ON TASK FORCE NOR REAL ACTION TO DEAL WITH TRASH & NEEDLE DISPOSAL
What Council did not do is involve the homeless community in assisting with improper needle distribution, trash dispersal, and real environmental protection.
Sum Dim

Scotts Valley, CA

#817 May 14, 2013
This could be done by--say--setting up public bathrooms (or at least portapotties) for the 1500-2000 who sleep outside (because there are facilities for less than 50 in the Paul Lee loft for the next six months and a Waiting List of 4-6 weeks), taking seriously Brent Adams' Sanctuary Campground proposal (or something similar), or at least providing trash pick-up's, garbage bags, and clean-up incentives for those who camp of necessity. Instead there's a police hotline to snitch on survival campers, which makes all the more reluctant to be publicly seen hauling trash out of the Pogonip.

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