Judge overturns California's ban on same-sex marriage

Aug 4, 2010 Full story: www.cnn.com 201,361

A federal judge in California has knocked down the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage, ruling Wednesday that the state's controversial Proposition 8 violates the U.S. Constitution.

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Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#191370 May 8, 2013
just the facts wrote:
<quoted text>INORITE, that why you like to talk about gay men putting animals up the ole pooper, its all in good fun huh fluck stick?
I thought you weren't gay, Jizzy. I really did.

Oh well, I thought I was lightheartedly poking fun at a straight guy. I stand corrected.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191371 May 8, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Actually I am a union member. Thanks for asking.
Yeah, but, didn't he attempt to change the subject, though?
:-D
Just noticing...
He swaps sides more than a flipped coin...
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191372 May 8, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
We know about the origins of monsters like you.
Do you hate god for making you the way he did?
:)
>Looks at title of forum<
"Off-Topic" "Hater" "Racist" "Reported"
IOW, no possible rational argument against what KiMare has logically posted. Apology accepted. "Looks like you'll have to STFU".
:-D
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191373 May 8, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
If I did have a testicle, that would be one more than you have.
Plagiarism is the sincerest form of flattery. Frank will appreciate your parroting of his material. Or, was it pirating? Doesn't matter, the heroin has destroyed your brai....Wait a minute. You never had one, anyway, carry on with the mainlining. Do you need for me to buy you a subscription to "Tourniquets Anonymous"?
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191374 May 8, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
Look, stupid, people have kids for their own reasons, because they want to. They want someone to carry on the family name, they want to see what the kids will look like, they feel pressured to have kids, or they just want to... Not because humanity will die out without their spawn.
In other words, for the continuity of the human race. Unless, you imagine all the people are accidents, like you were.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191375 May 8, 2013
Gues wrote:
<quoted text>
It's like voting in the Reichstag that Jews have no rights. If it's against a superior form of justice, be it the nebulous "human rights" in their case or, in this case, California Constitution, it is not legal and you can vote all you want, that doesn't make it legal. It's like voting in the State Assembly to not give people the right to free speech. It's unconstitutional. That's why.
No, it's not. The Constitution never included sexual behaviorists as a "protected" class. They never imagined that such idiocy would rear its head.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191376 May 8, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
If one could doesn't spawn humanity will die out?
Would you mind typing that in Englis....Never mind, keep drooling onto the keyboard.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191377 May 8, 2013
Rose_NoHo wrote:
<quoted text>
Then you are showing you are an idiot who doesn't understand logic.
Don't try to use the logic, it's too complicated for you. Leave it there, for the grown-ups who DON'T get all strung out, then post, as you do...
Stewups

Covina, CA

#191378 May 8, 2013
However, the Aryan Brotherhood is considered “blood in, blood out” prison gang, whose principal trade is methamphetamine.

He said that means in order to join, members are often required to hurt or kill someone at the command of a group leader.

Reminds me of the Glendora, California city council method of operation.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191379 May 8, 2013
Frankie Rizzo wrote:
<quoted text>
Logic? You mean like this?
Rose_NoHo wrote: "If one could doesn't spawn humanity will die out?"
What a dope.
Yes! Gibberish is the logical result of getting all strung out, and then attempting to post clearly, and with lucidity. That's logical.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191380 May 8, 2013
Big D wrote:
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Science can find no valid reason for religious beliefs, religion is a defect in the human culture across human history
Homosexuality however is a natural occurrence in many mammals, science has proved that
So, you DO believe that 90% of us are operating under a mass delusion? Well, since 90% of us have a belief in religion of one sort or another, that particular belief serves the community at large. Unlike SSM, which caters to a small percentage. Thus making religion more valid than your cult.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191381 May 8, 2013
Big D wrote:
<quoted text>
Bingo
They are frightened, unsure of their own sexuality they are afraid you will “convert” them.
It is their believe that homosexuality is a choice you make that drives this.
I have always been supportive of people that happen to be homosexual, I was around people when I was younger ( like high scho0l ) who were openly homosexual. I happen to be heterosexual and comfortable and sure of my sexuality.
I was approached, I just smiled and told them I was straight but thank you for the complement and they thanked me for saying it that way.
But the people you are talking to here, I don’t think are that comfortable with their own sexuality
No, D, it's you that is frightened. We are all sure of our sexuality. Don't presume to know about us.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191382 May 8, 2013
Xavier Breath wrote:
<quoted text> Well that would make it NATURAL, now wouldn't it?
Errr.....No, it wouldn't. It would make it aberrational. Innate and normal are not the same thing.
Frankie Rizzo

Union City, CA

#191383 May 8, 2013
Rock Hudson wrote:
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Hmmm.... While we're at it.....
>Looks at title of forum<
.....Umm..... Ah, never mind, it doesn't matter anyway, you haven't come in here to discuss Prop 8, any more than any of the rest of us...
Great post.
Magestic

Covina, CA

#191384 May 8, 2013
But Chinese petitioners to the White House are likely to find that appeals to Obama are even less effective than appeals to their own leaders in Beijing.

There is an old, oft-cited Chinese saying that describes the remoteness of the country’s leaders:“The mountains are high and the emperor is far away”.

An updated version may be in order:“The ocean is vast and the emperor is even farther”.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191385 May 8, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
How many are "nearly"?
<quoted text>
So u won't be taking Christmas as a day off from work?
<quoted text>
"Thousands"? Really? So who is stopping them from performing a religious wedding ceremony?
D spends a lot of time lying. I prove this to myself every day. He will claim that almost the entire nation supports his cult, but it is a lie. He will claim all kinds of numbers that do not have any basis in reality. He is a propagandist.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191386 May 8, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
<quoted text>
Orrrrrrrrrrr....no dissension is allowed? All must toe the party line, comrade? If one of your children offered a dissenting opinion, would s/he be "reeducated"?
I'll bet that's true.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191387 May 8, 2013
Big D wrote:
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You are free to decent all you want, there are a lot of people living in this country that do not agree with our nations values.
I am not the one that used that word
What I object to is your desire to remove freedom and justice from others. We have 2 classes of homosexual people now, those that are legally married, and those that wish to be legally married and cannot.
That wrong is about to be resolved.
Oh? Are they about to nullify the first batch?
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191388 May 8, 2013
veryvermilion wrote:
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You guys always want to base this issue on history.
Here's the thing... We participate in many social activities and have created new social institutions that do not have a firm basis in history.
Most modern, First World societies on the planet have some kind of compulsory education program for kids and teens. Though, looking back you'll find only scattered instances of compulsory education throughout the history of mankind. And the vast majority of those examples were closely tied to religion--not the sciences, math, language, etc.
Look at how women are treated in today's First World nations. Equality of the sexes has never been more pervasive than it is today.
Human rights and equality are also fairly modern concepts. Our current societies don't keep slaves. We strive to treat one another humanely. Folks are encouraged to explore new ideas. Freedom of speech, the freedom to travel, the freedom to own property, the freedom to worship (or not worship), the freedom from unjust laws and treatments are just a few of the widespread values that most modern day, Western cultures embrace.
Our economy is new. Cultures in the past relied heavily on agriculture and trade. Today, however, we buy and sell abstract ideas and technologies.
The bottom line is that our society today looks VERY different than societies of the past.
So why should we base the notion of marriage on the past? Why can't we embrace a new notion of marriage? It's not like marriage has remained static over the eons. There have been marriages between one man and one woman; one man and many women, arranged marriages, marriages based on love, marriages based on wealth. And has been pointed out numerous times, there have been same-sex marriage and various times in mankind's history.
Our ability to alter the current man-woman marriage arrangement SHOULD NOT be based on history.
History, in and of itself, SHOULD NOT define our current society, nor should it define our future society.
Fear of change is a bona-fide fear. But it does not mean that we should halt in our tracks. It does not mean that we should cling to the past.
If we allow the fear of change to overtake us, then our future is going to be pretty bleak.
Same-sex marriage will not impact anyone other than those same-sex couples who enter into marriage.
Stop being afraid of it.
Please, define the word "fear" as you misuse it, in here? Because, I'm beginning to suspect that we're not speaking the same language. I'm using English, and I wish to understand your language, as well.
Rock Hudson

Wooster, OH

#191389 May 8, 2013
Pietro Armando wrote:
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Oh Madone! They voted on a definition of marriage as a union of one MAN AND one WOMAN. That's it. Where is your patriotism on that? So the voters of California who voted TWICE to define marriage as it was understood in the state, and you argue "we are not an Athenian style democracy"? Patriotic Americans went to the polls and declared legal marriage to be a....... are you ready for this radical idea? A union of husband and wife! Where the heck did they get such a crazy idea. Before ya know it some tofu eating tree hugger will claim sex between men and women makes babies.
Well, as a witch, I'd like to state, for the record, that I am a steak man, myself. "Moo".
:-D

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